How many times have the Sabres had the top or one of the top prospects pools?

It’s a meaningless ranking. Terry has been looking towards the future as the solution since he bought the team. It doesn’t work.

The GM building 4 NHL rosters with the future in mind isn’t working.

Rank in value of which has the highest perceived potential:

Rosen
Savoie
Ostlund
Kulich
24’ 1st
25’ 1st unprotected

The draft picks are just as, if not more valuable since no player has had any real NHL impact. Also the NHL team is a bottom 10 team.

Bragging about draft picks and using prospects potential as means to validate this front office must be how Terry Pegula thinks things are ok.

- The prospect pool is a surplus of the same and not what the NHL roster needs
- The NHL roster is unbalanced
- The NHL coach mismanages the unbalanced roster
- The GM has failed to implement an identity
- The owner holds no one accountable
- washedup20

Our prospect pool has potential lite.

Do you mean hit on two more?

Aren't Quinn and Peterka both Adams draft pick hits that would be considered as top 6 difference makers?

I understand if you don't want to consider them that yet, but it sure is trending that way.
- kingcong39

No. Right now, I'd call them both decent middle 6 guys. Quinn's been back 2 weeks, no rush to judgement. JJ's cooled after unsustainably high shooting. Let's see what they do second half.

I obviously have a higher bar in mind here. Their top 6 is mediocre atm, so how can they all be difference makers?

Ostlund isn't even here yet, might take him more than a year to get acclimated. Kulich at this point isn't
Defensively sound to play C in the NHL at this point. Losing Peca hurt in that aspect. Sabres need to add some Meat to there lineup and not knuckle draggers, but heavy hard players to play against and add it to the talent here or coming.
- Buff36

The SHL isn't far off the AHL as a development league. He might not be as far off as people think.

No. Right now, I'd call them both decent middle 6 guys. Quinn's been back 2 weeks, no rush to judgement. JJ's cooled after unsustainably high shooting. Let's see what they do second half.

I obviously have a higher bar in mind here. Their top 6 is mediocre atm, so how can they all be difference makers?
- Lunaion

Their top 6 is mediocre because Quinn just returned, and all of Tage, Skinner, Cozens and Tuch have been lackluster compared to last season.

Sounds like your higher bar when you say top 6 difference maker really means 1st line level players.

The SHL isn't far off the AHL as a development league. He might not be as far off as people think.
- Lunaion

The larger ice surface and difference in physicality would have me disagreeing with you there.

The SHL isn't far off the AHL as a development league. He might not be as far off as people think.
- Lunaion

Hope so, still different ice dimensions and tighter areas.

Our prospect pool has potential lite.
- SoCalPucks

Prospect pool has had life for many years, they just don't know how to use it properly.

He cannot be the only one.

Management cannot let those feelings fester and grow.

We already have experienced, multiple times in the past, what happens if that is not stopped and quickly.
- kingcong39

Yeah, I didn't want say to much I only got to talk for a bit. Said some of the players were upset with the offseason especially after Quinn got hurt and nothing happened.

Their top 6 is mediocre because Quinn just returned, and all of Tage, Skinner, Cozens and Tuch have been lackluster compared to last season.

Sounds like your higher bar when you say top 6 difference maker really means 1st line level players.
- kingcong39

I do think there are 2nd line difference makers and 1st liners who aren't difference makers, so there's some nuance there.

Mitts is right around that bar atm.

The larger ice surface and difference in physicality would have me disagreeing with you there.
- kingcong39

In a different org, he might be in the NHL next season. Don't see how that happens here.

I think he has every opportunity to come here and overtake the other top prospects....and then start in Roch anyways because KA doesn't know what else to do.

In a different org, he might be in the NHL next season. Don't see how that happens here.

I think he has every opportunity to come here and overtake the other top prospects....and then start in Roch anyways because KA doesn't know what else to do.
- Lunaion

He's the one I would keep if I was to sweeten a deal because you have a couple years with him.

He's the one I would keep if I was to sweeten a deal because you have a couple years with him.
- Buff36

If he takes a coupe years, how good is he?

I do think there are 2nd line difference makers and 1st liners who aren't difference makers, so there's some nuance there.

Mitts is right around that bar atm.
- Lunaion

Based on your definition, you need 2 of Quinn, Benson, Savoie and Ostlund/Kulich/Peterka to end up being 1st line caliber players.

Way too soon to be confident in knowing the answer to the above.

If he takes a coupe years, how good is he?
- Lunaion

How many years did Casey take, and how good is he?

How many years did Tage take, and how good is he?

None of this is one size fits all.

If he takes a coupe years, how good is he?
- Lunaion

Took this guy 2 professional seasons after being drafted to be a difference maker.

Does it matter if it takes 2 seasons or 4, for example, as long as the player becomes a difference maker?

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/mikko-rantanen

How many years did Casey take, and how good is he?

How many years did Tage take, and how good is he?

None of this is one size fits all.
- kingcong39

Pointing to the biggest exception you can think of isn't compelling. If you treat everyone like the next Tage, you fail.

How good is Mitts and what does his trajectory look like at 25 should be a big question, but does KA have it in him to do anything other than bet on the player?

Pointing to the biggest exception you can think of isn't compelling. If you treat everyone like the next Tage, you fail.

How good is Mitts and what does his trajectory look like at 25 should be a big question, but does KA have it in him to do anything other than bet on the player?
- Lunaion

No he doesn't, to answer your question.

The only way he trades players is if they want out.

Pointing to the biggest exception you can think of isn't compelling. If you treat everyone like the next Tage, you fail.

How good is Mitts and what does his trajectory look like at 25 should be a big question, but does KA have it in him to do anything other than bet on the player?
- Lunaion

Was Daniel Briere a top 6 difference maker?

It took him 6 seasons post being drafted to become that.

There's a fine line between waiting forever and having the mental approach your talking about.

Was Daniel Briere a top 6 difference maker?

It took him 6 seasons post being drafted to become that.

There's a fine line between waiting forever and having the mental approach your talking about.
- kingcong39

What are we doing here? I don't think you disagree with my premise at all. If it takes you 4 years to reach the NHL, you're far more likely to be the next JB or KA than Tage.

Our prospect pool has potential lite.
- SoCalPucks

😂 😂

What are we doing here? I don't think you disagree with my premise at all. If it takes you 4 years to reach the NHL, you're far more likely to be the next JB or KA than Tage.
- Lunaion

I think Ostlund was picked knowing he might take 3 or 4yrs. He needs to Physically grow into his Skill. IMO he was a High Reward Chance, very skilled but what does he turn into Physically.

I think Ostlund was picked knowing he might take 3 or 4yrs. He needs to Physically grow into his Skill. IMO he was a High Reward Chance, very skilled but what does he turn into Physically.
- Buff36

I think there's a big difference between 3 and 4. At 4, I'm assuming bottom 6.

I think Ostlund was just a typical 2.5 year player. Someone who should be able to help at some point next season and should be a regular the following year.

Rosen was expected to be slow and Benson fast. They created one hell of a logjam.

We shall see
- Buff36

Mitts for Lameoraux (sp?)

I think there's a big difference between 3 and 4. At 4, I'm assuming bottom 6.

I think Ostlund was just a typical 2.5 year player. Someone who should be able to help at some point next season and should be a regular the following year.

Rosen was expected to be slow and Benson fast. They created one hell of a logjam.
- Lunaion

Maybe, but the kid was barely 160lbs dripping wet when they Drafted him. Even with the weight he's put on since he's gonna have adjustments in the AHL. He still needs to add 10-15lbs IMO.

Mitts for Lameoraux (sp?)
- IonSabres

Was he cleared ?