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paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 10 @ 2:44 PM ET
Just be who you are, D. To paraphrase Judge Smails....the world needs lavender sniffers, too.
- mohel

You’ll get nothing, and like it!
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 10 @ 2:48 PM ET
To my eye the game has slowed down for KK starting maybe a couple games ago. He just looks more poised, specifically in the Ozone. .... Just a matter of getting NHL reps for the kid IMO.

Vlasic is a train coming up ice. IMO he has plus straight away speed, is very good at shielding the puck and his hands are pretty quick. You will not take the puck away from him as he trucks up the ice, you gotta veer him off and out of runway.

Last night was the best game of the yr and the best part of the game was Vlasic on the ice every time McD was and the kid showed the feet and reach to keep that freak of freaks framed up. ... At least once I saw McD come up the right side, enter at cruising speed, saw Vlasic and he cut to the middle instead of dealing with the kid.. I'd bet if you asked McD about Vlasic he'd say they have something there.

- Mr Ricochet



I have nothing but love for Vlasic and Korchinski. I think they are emerging studs. I can't wait to see what these dudes look like in three years.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 10 @ 2:48 PM ET
How much weight did you lose and how long before you were back to full strength? ........
- Mr Ricochet

I can’t remember how much weight I lost, but I don’t think it was much. It took a while to do anything too vigorous as any movement hurt .

The sad thing is I wish I could say I did it playing a sport or something. Apparently in a drunken stupor I fell and cracked my face on a table.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 10 @ 2:52 PM ET
I can’t remember how much weight I lost, but I don’t think it was much. It took a while to do anything too vigorous as any movement hurt .

The sad thing is I wish I could say I did it playing a sport or something. Apparently in a drunken stupor I fell and cracked my face on a table.

- paulr


Oh, i thought for sure it was something you said.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Oh, i thought for sure it was something you said.
- BetweenTheDots

Maybe it was. Some people do have thin skin.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 10 @ 5:07 PM ET
Paul's an anomaly.
- mohel


Right? I heard he gained weight.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:33 PM ET
Does it matter what Tinordi and Zaitsev (remember Zaitsev cleared waivers last year, and the Hawks picked up Tinordi on waivers) do over the next 2 months? Think other teams pro scouts do not already know what they are? Do you think a 10-15 game "good stretch" is going to cause a playoff team to give you more than chattel for them? Besides, you would definitely have to retain to move Zaitsev.

Flyers have already come out and said they are willing to retain on Walker and Seeler. Savard is available from the Canadiens , Barrie, Bovquist, De Angelo are some of the other defenseman available at the trade deadline. I do not see Zaitsev/Tinordi being in the top 15 available defenseman that a bubble or playoff team are looking to acquire for depth.

- LAHawk


Zaitsev hasn't been terrible just very very slow. Tinordi is a very bad hockey player. I'm trying to help out for explanations. It's not like Philips has taken a spot from either of them either though and at some point - after a few seasons in Rockford and a few looks in the NHL - there should be something other than he looked good that shift in there.

I think they just don't think highly of Philips at this time, maybe trying to preserve some value and they don't want to have another rookie get beat up right now.

Barrie, Boqvist and DeAngelo aren't typically guys that you'd look at for strengthening a line up. It's a guy like Savard to eat PK minutes and some dungeon shifts so the better players are only skating 25 mins a night instead of +30.

There are still enough stupid GM's in the league to consider guys who are old and slow or big and terrible just because the NHL is dumb.

Desperation is a stinky cologne and some of that just isn't the NHL culture.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:34 PM ET
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
Hearing Connor Bedard underwent surgery on Monday to repair his fractured jaw.

Bedard is expected to miss approximately 6-8 weeks, meaning #Blackhawks will unfortunately need an injury replacement at #NHLAllStar.

@DailyFaceoff

- LAHawk


woof
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:41 PM ET
I was a big TT fan going off his WJC's and the eye test showed his quick twitch/explosion was difference making. ... Then he just alligator armed pucks too many times and I fell in the he's just too soft camp. I was wrong.

I see a lot of TT in Reichel, and that goes back to his draft yr when I watched any film out there after they drafted him. As I'm watching I'm thinking this guy reminds me of someone. High cruising speed, multiple gears, excellent on his edges, lots of explosion in his feet and hands...... After a bit I thought, TT, he reminds me of TT.

We saw what Reichel did late last yr, 15 in 23 and passed the eye test. I'm willing to suffer thru him figuring it out, assuming he does, cuz he has rare quickness/explosion qualities.

- Mr Ricochet


Certainly different teams but TT always drove play positively and the only time he was that unproductive was in 14-15, where he played 34 games but put up 10 points in 18 playoff games and won a cup.

Watching tape of TT he was always a perimeter player, even on the big ice.

But he was positionally sound and played good defense. Can't say the same about ze German who is not positionally sound and plays meh defense.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jan 10 @ 5:44 PM ET
Certainly different teams but TT always drove play positively and the only time he was that unproductive was in 14-15, where he played 34 games but put up 10 points in 18 playoff games and won a cup.

Watching tape of TT he was always a perimeter player, even on the big ice.

But he was positionally sound and played good defense. Can't say the same about ze German who is not positionally sound and plays meh defense.

- fattybeef

Reichel learns how to play defense and pursues it diligently will provide him a very nice NHL career. (Watch every tape on Hossa Backchecking you can get your hands on)
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:44 PM ET
Meant to mention this a week ago. The fancies that the public gets is nowhere near, not in the same stratosphere, as an NHL club gets. So there are times we look at a player's fancies and wonder what the hell the club is doing.

Point is, who knows what fancies matter to the club concerning Phillips. ...... No, Phillips is no K'Andre Miller, but their build and skating are similar. ..... I see his ceiling a bit higher than you. If the stars align I see a big, rangy, physical 2nd pairing guy who can pitch in 25-30 pts.

And if I'm right on his "possible" ceiling you gotta develop this kid properly, cuz 2nd pairing guys that have size and can skate don't grow on trees.

- Mr Ricochet


He's spent just about 3 full years in the AHL - which is apparently super valuable - had a few looks in the NHL and hasn't been able to take a spot from a very slow 31 year old or a very bad Tinordi.

At some point the player needs to step up and show something other than speed and potential.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:47 PM ET
How were Kaiser's fancies playing with Tinordi?
- LAHawk



Kaiser was more less bad based on CF, FF, SF and xGF as a percentage over more games.

https://www.naturalstattr...filt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 5:50 PM ET
Reichel learns how to play defense and pursues it diligently will provide him a very nice NHL career. (Watch every tape on Hossa Backchecking you can get your hands on)
- 35Tony0


Thats my point TT was a good defender and positionally sound from day one - albeit a strict perimeter player.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 10 @ 6:02 PM ET
Right? I heard he gained weight.
- HawkintheD

Shush! 46 3/15 lbs.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 10 @ 6:12 PM ET
Hi Folks been away for awhile! had some trouble with my computer and this site would crash hope that all behind me now .
So sad seeing Bedard going down kind of like McDAVID In his rookie year . Anyway I really don't like the ASG put who will replace him .I like to see someone other then Jones .Maybe someone like Reichel Korchinski .Mrazek may be a decent choice also. Or just for fun to throw a big F.U. too the league send Tinordi .Oh well nice to read all the post and hope I can stick around .GO HAWKS !!!
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 10 @ 8:10 PM ET
Hi Folks been away for awhile! had some trouble with my computer and this site would crash hope that all behind me now .
So sad seeing Bedard going down kind of like McDAVID In his rookie year . Anyway I really don't like the ASG put who will replace him .I like to see someone other then Jones .Maybe someone like Reichel Korchinski .Mrazek may be a decent choice also. Or just for fun to throw a big F.U. too the league send Tinordi .Oh well nice to read all the post and hope I can stick around .GO HAWKS !!!

- oldduffman


Jones still injured so D1ckinson and Guttman are two best players after that other than Vlasic maybe.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 10 @ 9:22 PM ET
Jones still injured so D1ckinson and Guttman are two best players after that other than Vlasic maybe.
- fattybeef

Reason I was thinking of Reichel or Korchinski may be a good experience for the kids to get some tips from the big boys. I love Guttman hustle but think Richardinson would be more appropriate and his play as been good ask the Leafs
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 10 @ 10:16 PM ET
Savoie on the ice while recovering from his broken leg.

https://twitter.com/CRoum...amp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 10 @ 10:23 PM ET
Perry cleared by Bettman to return to the league.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2818330
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jan 11 @ 12:33 AM ET
You’ll get nothing, and like it!
- paulr

Ya know Ty, I’m no slouch myself.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 11 @ 12:44 AM ET
Perry cleared by Bettman to return to the league.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2818330

- boilermaker100


Who bets he doesn't play in Chicago?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 11 @ 12:51 AM ET

The FO and coaches have apparently seen enough to say that these kids are not ready to be taking minutes in the NHL yet.

- Chunk



And I have to think the players know what to take from the opportunities, and will continue to work to be major league players.

Korchinski cannot go to Rockford but there is no denying his feet, silky stride and a decent quick stick can to be tolerated a bit longer. I am going to bet that if you. asked him if he has learned a whole lot, he will say yes, and also learning doesn't mean he has hasn't magically accelerated his growth just yet.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 11 @ 2:27 AM ET
Who bets he doesn't play in Chicago?
- wiz1901

Colorado too soft this year? Sakic might make a couple moves to improve the snarl and tenacity? Perry sign is one move
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jan 11 @ 7:00 AM ET
Kaiser was more less bad based on CF, FF, SF and xGF as a percentage over more games.

https://www.naturalstattr...filt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410

- fattybeef


This is the thing about fancies. Look at Kaiser's numbers in the Bigs and they ain't great. BUT,

His most common partners (TOI) are Phillips, Tinordi and Zaitsev!!!! Dig some more, what was their Ozone start percentage together? Kaiser with Phillips 35%, with Tinordi 30%, with Zaitsev 53%!!! For comparison KK's has spent his 2d most TOI with Jones and their Ozone start percentage is 68%!!!........ This is the very definition of taking the heaviest worst minutes instead of being sheltered paired with another rookie, on your offside, with two vets who make few NHL rosters and you're starting the vast majority of shifts in your own end on the 2nd worst NHL squad!!! .

So, Kaiser's most TOI is with another rookie with one playing their offside, a 30ish yr old Dman who wouldn't make 80% of NHL rosters who he was forced to play his offside with and another vet Dman who passed thru waivers!!!!

And to get a more clear picture we'd need to know the QoC he went up against.

You gotta have context to get even close to a clear picture on the fancies of a player. ..... So, with some context how do Kaiser's corsi, SF%, Fenwick, xGF or xAny damn stat look??? ...... Subjective I guess but IMO Makar's fancies would suck with Kaiser's D partners, zone starts and forced to play his offside. If I had the energy to debate I might say Kaiser's fancies in context are damn near herculean.

Drill down on Phillip's fancies, in context, and they ain't much more advantageous than Kaiser's........ I'd add Vlasic's very good fancies are even better when taken in context.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jan 11 @ 7:12 AM ET
He's spent just about 3 full years in the AHL - which is apparently super valuable - had a few looks in the NHL and hasn't been able to take a spot from a very slow 31 year old or a very bad Tinordi.

At some point the player needs to step up and show something other than speed and potential.

- fattybeef


I won't address why Tinordi gets games over Phillips or if he deserves them cuz who knows the motives. Or drill down on fancies but will say I'll look at the foundation of a 22 yr old 5th rd Dman that has size and skating. ....... After giving him enough TOI, with reasonable partners, not on his offside and starting out being sheltered as a rookie I'll then begin to draw conclusions.

Until then count me as a foundation guy, not only with Phillips but all the rookie Dmen.
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