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jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 14 @ 10:33 PM ET
You dropped Eiserman behind Lindstrom on your site. What do you like better about Lindstrom?
- paulr

You just said a couple days ago or so that Lindstrom has to prove that he can play with the best, play at speed. First year he has been putting up numbers,?eh!

Too early to project him so early in round one. Wait and see what you say about Lindstrom end of year

Eiserman to me will be a good one. Lindstrom right now is a mistake to draft real early because who can say if he will become the real deal
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 10:36 PM ET
You just said a couple days ago or so that Lindstrom has to prove that he can play with the best, play at speed. First year he has been putting up numbers,?eh!

Too early to project him so early in round one. Wait and see what you say about Lindstrom end of year

Eiserman to me will be a good one. Lindstrom right now is a mistake to draft real early because who can say if he will become the real deal

- jhawk59

Wiz put Lidstrom at number 2 on his site and Eiserman at number 3. I asked what he liked better about Lindstrom.

And I didn’t say Lindstrom had to prove he could play at speed. I repeated what other pundits have said.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 14 @ 10:37 PM ET
You dropped Eiserman behind Lindstrom on your site. What do you like better about Lindstrom?
- paulr


I am cannot separate my drafts from what I furl MY Blackhawks need.
They need a big guy.
(They also need a shot like Eiserman's.)

I like what I see but my final choice is a few months away.

I want Cayden to be the answer, believe me!

I keep looking atvteh tapes.

I am never gonna say I am an expert, but Eiserman is always gonna be a shot.
(The contra opposite to thus arguement might be the Arthur Kaliyev, a huge shot.)

I think Eiserman is much mire.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 10:49 PM ET
I am cannot separate my drafts from what I furl MY Blackhawks need.
They need a big guy.
(They also need a shot like Eiserman's.)

I like what I see but my final choice is a few months away.

I want Cayden to be the answer, believe me!

I keep looking atvteh tapes.

I am never gonna say I am an expert, but Eiserman is always gonna be a shot.
(The contra opposite to thus arguement might be the Arthur Kaliyev, a huge shot.)

I think Eiserman is much mire.

- wiz1901


I want the Hawks to pick the best available, whoever that happens to be. If Lindstrom and Eiserman are close to equal in all skill areas and project more or less equally you go with the bigger guy. But skill and projection must be what drives the pick.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 14 @ 10:49 PM ET
He’s a completely different player
- paulr


for sure!

My biggest quandary is so how this sport keeps morphiing...the attacks are so much more lateral p-assing us close, so I wonder if I at 73 years old have lost perspective in terms of the way team attack 50% of the time.

RIGHT Now,
Moore give you speed. but it seems like the guy the Av's took , uninjured is better at a whole lot of hockey.

I am saying this now with no regrets or anything and wasn't mentioning it, but I was I guess interviewed for a job, and part of it was based on y answer to a Callum Ritchie question, and(others).

I was flaltered.
I love hockey and theHawks, but an not really here for anything but fun, and a Democratic victory in 2024, but I will stand with Ritchie as an NHLer.
Their decision and wanting me was I believe based in this.

But, I simply cannot do the job, but I liove being a s h I t here
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 14 @ 10:50 PM ET
Leafs talk after game some top players too soft including M Reilly quit skating
On one goal

P Holmberg beat out of a job by a 19 ur old but tonight Holmberg is back and more physical. Had a good game

I found Leafs talk on hockeybuzz immediately after the game wanted to hear the review of the loss
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 14 @ 11:03 PM ET
I am cannot separate my drafts from what I furl MY Blackhawks need.
They need a big guy.
(They also need a shot like Eiserman's.)

I like what I see but my final choice is a few months away.

I want Cayden to be the answer, believe me!

I keep looking atvteh tapes.

I am never gonna say I am an expert, but Eiserman is always gonna be a shot.
(The contra opposite to thus arguement might be the Arthur Kaliyev, a huge shot.)

I think Eiserman is much mire.

- wiz1901


If we don't win the top 3 spots i can see us drafting Levshunov. That's a 200 pound plus dman that plays like an animal, word is he's an extremely hard worker as well. We still have to go best available and if in time you can have Seth Jones playing less than 20 minutes a game, the better.

You start looking at a pretty good blue line of

Levshunov Korchinski
Seth Jones then Rinzel and Vlasic
That'd be a pretty solid top 4
We might even be able to buy out Jones at 31, 32 years old

And if you look at the buy out calculator 4 years from now its not so bad.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 14 @ 11:29 PM ET
Boy, I love the football playoff but Ireally have less connections ion to it.

In spent YEARS laughing at the hockey superstitions!


Have I made myself immune?

No.

I thiink the fact that Solderholm's helmet is not the proper Blakchawk recd, is part of the problem in his growth.

Can we trade for his BIG brother b/c I think he is in conversations unrelated to the poor infamy got on Taser...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 14 @ 11:31 PM ET
If we don't win the top 3 spots i can see us drafting Levshunov. That's a 200 pound plus dman that plays like an animal, word is he's an extremely hard worker as well. We still have to go best available and if in time you can have Seth Jones playing less than 20 minutes a game, the better.

You start looking at a pretty good blue line of

Levshunov Korchinski
Seth Jones then Rinzel and Vlasic
That'd be a pretty solid top 4
We might even be able to buy out Jones at 31, 32 years old

And if you look at the buy out calculator 4 years from now its not so bad.

- BetweenTheDots


I CAN LIVE WITH WHOMEVER they select whether forward or defender.

I just don't like waiting.

Kyle SAID I have to wait.

I just want the guy who is the biggest competitor b/c likeallmof you, I want tonwin, not whine about defenders who I want them to trade...
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 14 @ 11:39 PM ET
If we don't win the top 3 spots i can see us drafting Levshunov. That's a 200 pound plus dman that plays like an animal, word is he's an extremely hard worker as well. We still have to go best available and if in time you can have Seth Jones playing less than 20 minutes a game, the better.

You start looking at a pretty good blue line of

Levshunov Korchinski
Seth Jones then Rinzel and Vlasic
That'd be a pretty solid top 4
We might even be able to buy out Jones at 31, 32 years old

And if you look at the buy out calculator 4 years from now its not so bad.

- BetweenTheDots

Good rationale
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 11:44 PM ET
I CAN LIVE WITH WHOMEVER they select whether forward or defender.

I just don't like waiting.

Kyle SAID I have to wait.

I just want the guy who is the biggest competitor b/c likeallmof you, I want tonwin, not whine about defenders who I want them to trade...

- wiz1901

Wiz, remember a guy who played parts of two seasons with the Blackhawks by the name of Brent Grieve? He saw my Blackhawks toque when I entered the Tribute Centre and started a conversation with me. Nice guy, I vaguely remember him, when I came home I looked him up on Hockey DB, he was pretty much a journeyman. But he played more seasons in the NHL than I did.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 14 @ 11:46 PM ET
I CAN LIVE WITH WHOMEVER they select whether forward or defender.

I just don't like waiting.

Kyle SAID I have to wait.

I just want the guy who is the biggest competitor b/c likeallmof you, I want tonwin, not whine about defenders who I want them to trade...

- wiz1901


I mean common who likes waiting? I don't know how long it's going to take, i don't want to trade any defenders as of yet. I would like Phillips to get more minutes but that's not happening so I'll just sit here and enjoy each solid shift by a young player until they amass enough talent to start winning as a team until then i just have to celebrate the little things and the occasional victory. There's no quick fix here.

If i was a gm i would look at it like my portfolio, try to make a little bit of money over a long period of time instead of trying to make a lot of money over a little bit of time.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 15 @ 12:51 AM ET
That one is on Jones losing the puck at the blue line

The Wild are spending a lot of money to have Suter play 20 minutes on a Cup contender.

- scottak

jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 15 @ 1:09 AM ET
I mean common who likes waiting? I don't know how long it's going to take, i don't want to trade any defenders as of yet. I would like Phillips to get more minutes but that's not happening so I'll just sit here and enjoy each solid shift by a young player until they amass enough talent to start winning as a team until then i just have to celebrate the little things and the occasional victory. There's no quick fix here.

If i was a gm i would look at it like my portfolio, try to make a little bit of money over a long period of time instead of trying to make a lot of money over a little bit of time.

- BetweenTheDots


In retrospect both C Ritchie or O Moore are good choices. Is Ritchie better - different styles - wiz apparently likes Ritchie watching this season AFTER he is back from long injury lay off.

Looking at the portfolio specifically at the type of players we need, it was safest choice taking Moore over injured Ritchie. Maybe we wind up with Lindstrom then you have some of what Ritchie brings?

Just make good choices whomever they may be. I have more faith in KD even with a short track record than the previous GM’s (emphasis GM’s is plural).
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Jan 15 @ 3:51 AM ET
...remember a guy who played parts of two seasons with the Blackhawks by the name of Brent Grieve? ...
- paulr



Man that was a blast from the past - I remembered that guy when he was playing for the Blades in Kansas City.




HappyBirdSeeds
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 08.28.2021

Jan 15 @ 4:41 AM ET
Vlasic and Jonesy should swap salaries.

A Bachelor's Degree from an esteemed Hockey Awareness school should be a requirement for any future raises for Jonesy.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 6:48 AM ET
I am cannot separate my drafts from what I furl MY Blackhawks need.
They need a big guy.
(They also need a shot like Eiserman's.)

I like what I see but my final choice is a few months away.

I want Cayden to be the answer, believe me!

I keep looking atvteh tapes.

I am never gonna say I am an expert, but Eiserman is always gonna be a shot.
(The contra opposite to thus arguement might be the Arthur Kaliyev, a huge shot.)

I think Eiserman is much mire.

- wiz1901


So the Eiserman / Lindstrom debate comes down to would you take Byfield or Kaliyev?

Which do the Hawks need more?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 15 @ 8:12 AM ET
So the Eiserman / Lindstrom debate comes down to would you take Byfield or Kaliyev?

Which do the Hawks need more?

- vabeachbear


When I first heard about Lindstrom about two months ago his position on many draft lists had moved from the high teens into the top ten. Then he’s sneaking into the top five. Then in the last couple of weeks he’s pushed himself right behind the odds on number one Celebrini and Eiserman slipped to number three or later.

I have seen video clips on all of the top ten prospects but haven’t seen any live. So I’m going strictly on what a group of various writers have published. Some of the publications have highlighted their main weakness, Eiserman’s being skating and Lindstrom’s being hockey sense. Wiz has assured us Eiserman’s skating is good, it just isn’t elite. I haven’t read anything to refute Lindstrom’s average hockey sense.

So it comes to a big physical kid who can fly, who brings balanced scoring, goals and assists. Or a guy who scores a ton of goals, has the ability to find open ice and can score in any way, in close or off the rush etc..

The quote I read about Lindstrom is what’s making me lean his way “ From talking to a few WHL defenders, Lindstrom might be the most feared player in a 1-on-1 situation due to his combination of speed, skill and pure mass. The upside here is enormous – literally.” But at the end of the day I’ll trust whatever KD and his staff select.


BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 15 @ 9:07 AM ET
So the Eiserman / Lindstrom debate comes down to would you take Byfield or Kaliyev?

Which do the Hawks need more?

- vabeachbear


This is an interesting debate the best thing about it is worst we can do is top 4 pick for now, above all else these are where many stars are drafted so its got to be best available. I cringe when people say draft position of need, cringe. I bet many of our top picks in the 2000s were okay we need to draft this kind of player. No overthinking should be done with a top 5 pick.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 9:09 AM ET
When I first heard about Lindstrom about two months ago his position on many draft lists had moved from the high teens into the top ten. Then he’s sneaking into the top five. Then in the last couple of weeks he’s pushed himself right behind the odds on number one Celebrini and Eiserman slipped to number three or later.

I have seen video clips on all of the top ten prospects but haven’t seen any live. So I’m going strictly on what a group of various writers have published. Some of the publications have highlighted their main weakness, Eiserman’s being skating and Lindstrom’s being hockey sense. Wiz has assured us Eiserman’s skating is good, it just isn’t elite. I haven’t read anything to refute Lindstrom’s average hockey sense.

So it comes to a big physical kid who can fly, who brings balanced scoring, goals and assists. Or a guy who scores a ton of goals, has the ability to find open ice and can score in any way, in close or off the rush etc..

The quote I read about Lindstrom is what’s making me lean his way “ From talking to a few WHL defenders, Lindstrom might be the most feared player in a 1-on-1 situation due to his combination of speed, skill and pure mass. The upside here is enormous – literally.” But at the end of the day I’ll trust whatever KD and his staff select.

- paulr


I guess the good news is as long as the current season keeps trending the way it is, and there's no reason to think it won't, Hawks will get a good player.

I admit I know nothing about Lindstrom, but have watched Eiserman for a few years now, and he's actually bigger than I thought he was.

I'm leaning a bit more towards Eiserman for those reasons, but trust them to draft the best player.

Also, I like that Eiserman spells his name the right way................
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 9:13 AM ET
This is an interesting debate the best thing about it is worst we can do is top 4 pick for now, above all else these are where many stars are drafted so its got to be best available. I cringe when people say draft position of need, cringe. I bet many of our top picks in the 2000s were okay we need to draft this kind of player. No overthinking should be done with a top 5 pick.
- BetweenTheDots


They are no where near being able to draft for position. You do draft the best player available, though I guess I'm contradicting myself a bit when I say I want someone who can score goals. I just think the goal scoring depth in the system is lacking. You can't win every game 1-0
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
They are no where near being able to draft for position. You do draft the best player available, though I guess I'm contradicting myself a bit when I say I want someone who can score goals. I just think the goal scoring depth in the system is lacking. You can't win every game 1-0
- vabeachbear


I think the scoring is all part of it, but if you do draft the most talented player it works itself out in the end.

I'll add i like how KD is drafting bigger players later in the draft hopefully he hits on a few of these kids
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 15 @ 9:35 AM ET
One guy I’ve been paying attention to this season is the Generals’ winger Beckett Sennecke, who’s slated as a late first round pick. A tall kid who skates well, he’s a fierce forchecker who’s all over the puck in the offensive zone. He battles hard along the boards and in front of the net. He comes back hard on the backcheck and usually identifies his man. He’s pretty slight and doesn’t win all the puck battles but he’s always there trying. I don’t see anything special offensively but he manages to get his points. He’s a better playmaker than finisher.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 9:42 AM ET
One guy I’ve been paying attention to this season is the Generals’ winger Beckett Sennecke, who’s slated as a late first round pick. A tall kid who skates well, he’s a fierce forchecker who’s all over the puck in the offensive zone. He battles hard along the boards and in front of the net. He comes back hard on the backcheck and usually identifies his man. He’s pretty slight and doesn’t win all the puck battles but he’s always there trying. I don’t see anything special offensively but he manages to get his points. He’s a better playmaker than finisher.
- paulr


So he's a tall Blackwell?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 15 @ 9:42 AM ET
When I first heard about Lindstrom about two months ago his position on many draft lists had moved from the high teens into the top ten. Then he’s sneaking into the top five. Then in the last couple of weeks he’s pushed himself right behind the odds on number one Celebrini and Eiserman slipped to number three or later.

I have seen video clips on all of the top ten prospects but haven’t seen any live. So I’m going strictly on what a group of various writers have published. Some of the publications have highlighted their main weakness, Eiserman’s being skating and Lindstrom’s being hockey sense. Wiz has assured us Eiserman’s skating is good, it just isn’t elite. I haven’t read anything to refute Lindstrom’s average hockey sense.

So it comes to a big physical kid who can fly, who brings balanced scoring, goals and assists. Or a guy who scores a ton of goals, has the ability to find open ice and can score in any way, in close or off the rush etc..

The quote I read about Lindstrom is what’s making me lean his way “ From talking to a few WHL defenders, Lindstrom might be the most feared player in a 1-on-1 situation due to his combination of speed, skill and pure mass. The upside here is enormous – literally.” But at the end of the day I’ll trust whatever KD and his staff select.

- paulr


The more I hear about Eiserman, the more the name Laine pops into my mind.
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