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BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 16 @ 12:13 PM ET
I’m pretty confident KD will ice a better team next season, he has to.
- paulr


Most likely but i bet we still draft in the top 10. That's how rebuilds go. Remember the Florida Panthers and their 5000 fans that watched them play hockey?

It could be worse, we could be like the Oil and Leafs, win the draft lottery and only have one top 4 dman in the farm system. By my count we already have 2 in Vlasic and Korchinski, with other intriguing prospects at the Rock and Minny
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 16 @ 12:19 PM ET
Beat me to it.

- boilermaker100

There's a player my wife can love.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 16 @ 12:20 PM ET
That’s all well and good but if KD doesn’t improve this team over the summer so the team starts showing improvement on the ice are theregoing to be some potential problems. With the excitement the of Bedard pick, ticket sales went crazy, that enthusiasm will die if the team doesn’t show its progressing. KD risks creating a toxic culture we’ve seen in other teams where the priority was collecting draft picks instead of progressing on the ice. And he runs the risk of alienating the younger players.
- paulr


During his most recent interview, KD said the following about draft picks:

"I don't want to say you can have too many of them, but it's something we do have to consider," Davidson said Sunday. "You do have to space them. You don't want to be making a ton of picks - then you have players coming up all at the same time, and it's a bit of a logjam. So you would like a little bit of space there. I think we do have that space right now - maybe be strategic of more come in, what year, maybe we'll look at."

It's a lot of couched speech, but I think it shows that he knows he probably shouldn't make all of the picks he has in the next three years.
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
Mark Lazerus on Twitter:

Jason D!ck!nson already thinking about his next extension: "Not gonna lie, I would have liked a few more years. Because I see the potential here."
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
Two potential problems I see is at that contract he may be difficult to move if the need arises. And does overpaying D!ckinson and Foligno mean KD is going into a third season of tanking? Otherwise good signing and the team won’t impact the rebuild.
- paulr

Don't over think it he's simply our best player not named Connor.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 16 @ 12:23 PM ET
I’m pretty confident KD will ice a better team next season, he has to.
- paulr

It's not a high barre.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 16 @ 12:23 PM ET
Don't over think it he's simply our best player not named Connor.
- rpeters01


Murphy?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
During his most recent interview, KD said the following about draft picks:

"I don't want to say you can have too many of them, but it's something we do have to consider," Davidson said Sunday. "You do have to space them. You don't want to be making a ton of picks - then you have players coming up all at the same time, and it's a bit of a logjam. So you would like a little bit of space there. I think we do have that space right now - maybe be strategic of more come in, what year, maybe we'll look at."

It's a lot of couched speech, but I think it shows that he knows he probably shouldn't make all of the picks he has in the next three years.

- Chunk

I agree that spreading picks over a period of time makes sense and possibly trading a pick in the next few years for one in a few years. I want to see a better on ice product next season, as most of us do.

rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
Like i said he's going to sign FAs, he already has 2 guys who are good for the team, Barre.
have Hall and AA back, he'll probably sign 2 or 3 FAs out there as i said before just good solid hockey players and not overpay for 30 year old top 6 FAs.

You know what the worst thing is for a rebuild is? Being impatient and not drafting the right guys in the top 10. Most of these guys won't be here when the real fun begins. I hate the outcomes of these games but I'm really enjoying watching the kids play.

- BetweenTheDots

AA must have a big groin to be injured this much time.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
Don't over think it he's simply our best player not named Connor.
- rpeters01

As you pointed out in the subsequent post, not a high bar.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
Hawks sign D!ckinson 2 x 4.25M.

https://twitter.com/BenPo...amp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

- boilermaker100


Good to see that we have our 3C for the next couple seasons.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
My biggest concern is tanking for a third season. I’m hoping KD picks up some decent UFAs on short term contracts to get the team to progress on the ice.
- paulr


I don't think there will be any more tanking. I mean even right now they said they aren't going to be big sellers this time around at the TDL. I think if they are selling tons of assets, that's tanking. Right now we are moving towards getting that new core of players up into place.

We just have to be patient a bit for the picks that have been made to trickle up to the big club before I'd expect much major money/term on UFA.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 16 @ 1:04 PM ET
During his most recent interview, KD said the following about draft picks:

"I don't want to say you can have too many of them, but it's something we do have to consider," Davidson said Sunday. "You do have to space them. You don't want to be making a ton of picks - then you have players coming up all at the same time, and it's a bit of a logjam. So you would like a little bit of space there. I think we do have that space right now - maybe be strategic of more come in, what year, maybe we'll look at."

It's a lot of couched speech, but I think it shows that he knows he probably shouldn't make all of the picks he has in the next three years.

- Chunk


I think it's been well documented that some of the picks the Hawks traded for in recent trades, they asked for them to be pushed out, hence why we got picks in 2025 and 2026 well in advance. I could definitely see KD trading some of those out again to keep the pipeline in a healthy state for longer rather than having too many at once.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jan 16 @ 1:08 PM ET
AA must have a big groin to be injured this much time.
- rpeters01


I read something about it this morning. I had to go look to find it. It does sound like he has had a pretty awful time with it.

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
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Andreas Athanasiou had a procedure on his groin a little while back, Luke Richardson said. He went back to the same doctor who helped him when he had groin issues (just on the other side) while playing in LA in 2021-22.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
Tuned in to a Medicine Hat game last week and Lidstrom wasn't playing. Guess I know why now....... Really sucks though as many have him slotted behind Celebrini at #2. Makes a decision on him much more complicated for NHL franchises.

BM, Cam Robinson ranks near the top for me in prospects. Wrote for Dobber for a lotta yrs. A great follow.

- Mr Ricochet


Robinson is a lead scouting analyst for Elite Pros. now I think.

Really think it is far early to start downgrading Cayden Lindsrom, or Eiserman or anybody.

I think sports surgeries on kids aspiring to be pros are ones where they and their representation carefully decide, so I will defer that he will eventually be back to the level he has reached in his junior play.

As of today I would love to be able to say if Celebrini goes elsewhere I want him, but my opinion is going to be superseded by the scouting staff.

I will say one thing I found out recently that I never realized: he is an Afro-Canadien.
I love that kids are sprouting in all 50 states and are budding potential pros, and have another kid from Canada the hockey legacy as more kids of all kind embrace the sport.
I would love to see this kid playing in Chicago. It only builds the game, fills more seats and hopefully makes the franchise better.

I am not necessarily saying the Blackhawk's final 2025 draft is a lock on a really good prospect who becomes a star, but it is a really strong top end of the 2024 crop.


I just love these inclusions, like Shai and Zee Buium, kids of Israeli nationals, immigrants, who started with poor skating and their love and commitment put them on the scope to be drafted.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jan 16 @ 1:18 PM ET
I think it's been well documented that some of the picks the Hawks traded for in recent trades, they asked for them to be pushed out, hence why we got picks in 2025 and 2026 well in advance. I could definitely see KD trading some of those out again to keep the pipeline in a healthy state for longer rather than having too many at once.
- breadbag


Well Kyle was ready last draft to traded his second round AND the Tampa pick to jump up and get Ollie Moore.

I have no issues if he trades the second rounders, especially if they add chances to acquire young underperforming players on teams where they are needing a fresh start.

But don't trade that Toronto 2025, because the instability around the leafs makes it a fun pick as it is so difficult to predict if it is #15 or they make the playoffs next time.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 16 @ 1:41 PM ET
Well Kyle was ready last draft to traded his second round AND the Tampa pick to jump up and get Ollie Moore.

I have no issues if he trades the second rounders, especially if they add chances to acquire young underperforming players on teams where they are needing a fresh start.

But don't trade that Toronto 2025, because the instability around the leafs makes it a fun pick as it is so difficult to predict if it is #15 or they make the playoffs next time.

- wiz1901



Ha! I love the logic Wiz. Don't trade the pick because schadenfreude.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 16 @ 1:45 PM ET
I read something about it this morning. I had to go look to find it. It does sound like he has had a pretty awful time with it.

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
·
23h
Andreas Athanasiou had a procedure on his groin a little while back, Luke Richardson said. He went back to the same doctor who helped him when he had groin issues (just on the other side) while playing in LA in 2021-22.

- breadbag


Wow. That sucks. I'd guess he only gets into a couple more games this year (full recovery, getting into game shape, etc), if that.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 16 @ 1:54 PM ET
Mark Lazerus on Twitter:

Jason D!ck!nson already thinking about his next extension: "Not gonna lie, I would have liked a few more years. Because I see the potential here."

- frafra


Great re-signing! JD will provide quality depth and leadership as the team transitions in some youth. Plus, limited the deal to 2 years leaves JD hungry and motivated for another extension.
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jan 16 @ 1:55 PM ET
I don't have the link handy but they said his gap control is not ideal because his ability to skate backwards is not good so he keeps that space to deny the middle but the problem is it allows for a lot of controlled successful entries and his transition to going backwards to forwards slows him down getting to pucks thrown deep.

He's not a bad player he's just not exceptionally good at anything and there are some pretty big flaws that will be exacerbated when his legs start to go.

- fattybeef



For sure.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 16 @ 2:37 PM ET



For sure.

- 6628


And thats with the caveat that Jones isn't nearly as bad as people say it's just unfortunate that Bowman was that desperate to win that he took that risk and kicked the can down the curb.

Kinda like the lead paint on my house. Someone decided encapsulating it with stucco and putting vile aluminum siding over the top would make it all ok. Problem is there is still some exposed lead based stuff that is deteriorating and a lot of the stuff, even under the aluminum is starting to degrade to the point I'm finding chips. Maybe not a huge health concern at this stage in my life but it's not great if the dogs are tracking them into the house. Would have been better if they just continued to paint it or if it was degraded enough rip it off and put something else up. Probably the same idiot that mitigated all the asbestos from the old furnace except for the stuff right on the boots or put down 3 layers of Hardie backer to 'flatten' the floor to put down hideous 12x12 early 00's flipping tile. #centuryhomeprobs.

Ford putting poopty tires on a 70k truck because it needs to be a certain weight and crap to hit their MPG number also drives me bonkers.

Point being - decisions that are made to solve an immediate problem without consideration or care for the long term consequences are a major point of irritation for me. The Jones one is very much a F-U to the org if he (bowman) gets fired but also look at how smart I am if we are in the mix again move. Nothing strategic about either of those reasons when you looked at where the team was pragmatically.

The Foligino deal is solid and the D1ckison deal as well. Gotta give KFC credit for not giving latter more years just to give him more years and maintain some flexibility when they should be getting closer to competing. Its not like he can't sign another contract but with how hard he plays and for a guy whose game is built on his athletic ability as he approaches 30 it was a good decision by the org to give more money over term. I think the older regime would have signed him for 5 or 6 and it probably doesn't age as well.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jan 16 @ 2:45 PM ET
Most likely but i bet we still draft in the top 10. That's how rebuilds go. Remember the Florida Panthers and their 5000 fans that watched them play hockey?

It could be worse, we could be like the Oil and Leafs, win the draft lottery and only have one top 4 dman in the farm system. By my count we already have 2 in Vlasic and Korchinski, with other intriguing prospects at the Rock and Minny

- BetweenTheDots


Their blue lines haven't been great but I think the issue has been more between the pipes than anything else.

Florida has recently risen but they had to add a lot from outside the org to get there. They have a grand total of 3 players they've drafted on their roster now.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jan 16 @ 3:11 PM ET
Great re-signing! JD will provide quality depth and leadership as the team transitions in some youth. Plus, limited the deal to 2 years leaves JD hungry and motivated for another extension.
- DarthKane


Dont forget bringing back 19 4 x $6.0 in 2025
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 16 @ 3:15 PM ET
Dont forget bringing back 19 4 x $6.0 in 2025
- glennjpawlak22



Denis Arkhipov?
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jan 16 @ 3:17 PM ET
Denis Arkhipov?
- DarthKane


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