Wow! Vlasic coming back and breaking up that two on one with that long reach.
- Angotti

I know +/- isn’t the best metric for player performance. But how in the hell is Vlasic +6 on this team playing a shut down role?! That absolutely phenomenal.

Kudos to big Jay D too who’s +10.

Vlasic and Mrazek were the only two that played a solid game from start to finish. R Johnson was decent in limited ice time.

Crevier and Phillips were terrible all night. Jones struggled mightily too.

Foligno and Blackwell played well in the 3rd, but didn’t do much before that.

Katchouk & Kurashev gave decent efforts without results.
- DarthKane

Phillips mistakes or blunders two consecutive shifts early period three. Crevier name not heard as period three ran on so bench was shortened to start period three. Although I heard him make a good check in period one

San Jose won tonight so the Hawks are only 2 points out of last place.

San Jose won tonight so the Hawks are only 2 points out of last place.
- DarthKane

If a team finishes with the least amount of points, their draft position in lottery cannot drop lower than _________ slot position?

And if finished with second or third least amount of points, the draft position cannot drop lower than _________slot position?

Blackhawks likely wind up with 1-3 least amount of points

If a team finishes with the least amount of points, their draft position in lottery cannot drop lower than ____3_____ slot position?

And if finished with second or third least amount of points, the draft position cannot drop lower than ____5_____slot position?

Blackhawks likely wind up with 1-3 least amount of points
- jhawk59

If you're asking J

C Blackwell would ba a real nice pick up if dealt and he remains healthy

I would rather keep him though. What would we get….renumeration a third round and that is really stretching what we could expect for often injured Blackwell

Some time next year but definetly the season after figure Savoie Nazar and others will be here
- jhawk59

The way i hear it these 2 plus many of our other draft picks have that compete in them like Blackwell. I'm really looking forward to the others being here in a year to three.

If you're asking J
- BetweenTheDots

Love the emphasis on skating too. Hard to play against plus half or more rostered players just buzzing. Plus top players from 24 and ‘25 drafts

The way i hear it these 2 plus many of our other draft picks have that compete in them like Blackwell. I'm really looking forward to the others being here in a year to three.
- BetweenTheDots

Hopefully Savoie can get in some games in for Gatineau this season. After seeing him a few times last season he reminded me of Andrew Shaw, a real nuisance of a player who was physical, hardworking, defensively responsible yet put up decent numbers. He is eligible to play in the AHL next season but I think can play junior as an overager. After his horrific injury I’m curious what the Hawks feel is the best for his development?

I know +/- isn’t the best metric for player performance. But how in the hell is Vlasic +6 on this team playing a shut down role?! That absolutely phenomenal.

Kudos to big Jay D too who’s +10.
- DarthKane

You are correct, +/- is not the best metric, but their performance sure matches those numbers. I just can’t believe how good Vlasic is defensively, with more experience he could end up being a top five shutdown defender in the league. I had the Vancouver feed last night and I kept hearing “Vlasic breaks up the play”, “Vlasic clears the zone”…

San Jose won tonight so the Hawks are only 2 points out of last place.
- DarthKane

Hawks will widen that gap. They have played better at home recently. After this Western swing and the all-star break, they have something like 11 of next 12 games at home and will win some.

Hawks will widen that gap. They have played better at home recently. After this Western swing and the all-star break, they have something like 11 of next 12 games at home and will win some.
- boilermaker100

In February they play 9 of 10 at home. They'll lose the road game (Carolina) and likely win 1 home game (Ottawa).

I know and like Panger. But Lordy, he is shoveling the BS like I can't believe on the broadcast. It's (frank)ing embarrassing.
- 6628

Chris Vosters needed someone beside him who defers to (because he seems humble and willing to defer opinions) and after Eddie, I think Panger was a good choice, but after awhile, knowledgable watchers, even casuals see that the Blackhawk offense is loaded with guys, less able of handling pucks in traffic, and simply all around less skillful than much of the defenders.
(I think the coach has them playing with a system, and the players have bought in on.)
So, lots of Panger's emotion to me translates as would, should, coulda.

My issues with the broadcasts are with the intermission team.
Last night when I came back the already on the TV game, to see the start of one of the periods and looked at the muted likes of Pat Boyle, Caley Chelios, and Charlie Roumeliotis and thought to myself, "Is this what I am going to be relying on to bring me competent coverage in the final years of my life[/I]?

No, I am not sick...just sick of them.

I am pretty sure Pat Boyle was hired by the channel and I am really not sure when he got there, but he is an announcer not any sort of long term fan (from what I conjure by his opinions and his observation parrot what he has heard.)

Charlie Roumeliotis is a better content writer than I possibly could be, but he knows only what he is feed, with a narrow understanding of what is and isn't.

Caley Chelios is by far the most knowledgable of the three growing up in a hockey house. I only elevated to thi9s status when she was Voster's colorwoman when Pang was off double dipping on a TNT broadcast.

A few years ago after Kyle took over, I knew we were going to be barraged with broadcasts of wait the future IS coming.
I never thought that they could try and sell the current future with the hype that "current personal has shown above average performance."

They are selling the game, seats and TV time.

But man what I would give for a new host who had more hockey expertise and knowledge.
And Charlie Roumeliotis is privy to all the insider stuff, the extent of injuries, the possible moves, the general locker room consensus of the staff, but he certainty is only be their media parrot.

As much as some of us here feel the team's future is bleak, I think this intermission report seals the idea that they are unable to draw enthusiasm through the bullfeatehrs that comes out of their mouths too.

Prior to the 2023 season start, he didn't have the resume to justify being an early first rounder, but there is too much I like to not have him there now. At six foot four plus, he has a rare combination of size, above average skating ability, the ability to make plays in tight areas, and strong hockey instincts. He hasn't put his game altogether, but has all the outstanding tools in his size, skills, and hands that screams scary potential. He has the power and finesse that team covet. He was moved permanently to centre this season and he has shown plenty of new offensive generation ability with his fakes, set-ups and pass deception. At his size, he controls the middle of the ice and dominate the territorial play in his shorts, easily moving pucks out of danger, keeping teams pinned in their own end with a tumultuous forecheck. His skating is surprisingly good for such a large kid. In December he sustained an upper body injury, but no one has looked more dominant in the WHL this season. There are very few 6’ 4” -220 lb 17 year old centres who move with his agility or has as much puck skill as he does. He has found a balance this season using his patience and creativity to create separation, using his teammates effectively and using his strength each and size to force his way to middle ice or to the net. Some team will take him early, as he projects as a special player who engages defensively, transports the puck really well, wins puck battles, and displays one heck of a shot.

--Bill Płaczek--
- paulr

I loved that Bob's list came out and I had already moved Cayden Lindstrom ainto slot two and had discussed the Eiserman fall here also.


If anyone else wants to go and grab one of my profiles and paste it here, please do. I am not promoting myself and think I have done it enough, when we were discussing the various players.

I loved that Bob's list came out and I had already moved Cayden Lindstrom ainto slot two and had discussed the Eiserman fall here also.


If anyone else wants to go and grab one of my profiles and paste it here, please do. I am not promoting myself and think I have done it enough, when we were discussing the various players.
- wiz1901

You know Wiz i never really was interested in the draft before I'm not a hockey nut like you guys and i mean that as a compliment, but considering we are where we are i appreciate all the work you do and try to give us as much info on players as you do, it makes this rebuild more enjoyable than the one in the 2000s, plus all the clips that come out of these kids at the lower levels.

You are correct, +/- is not the best metric, but their performance sure matches those numbers. I just can’t believe how good Vlasic is defensively, with more experience he could end up being a top five shutdown defender in the league. I had the Vancouver feed last night and I kept hearing “Vlasic breaks up the play”, “Vlasic clears the zone”…
- Angotti

In 3 years Vlasic will be our first long term contract.

Chris Vosters needed someone beside him who defers to (because he seems humble and willing to defer opinions) and after Eddie, I think Panger was a good choice, but after awhile, knowledgable watchers, even casuals see that the Blackhawk offense is loaded with guys, less able of handling pucks in traffic, and simply all around less skillful than much of the defenders.
(I think the coach has them playing with a system, and the players have bought in on.)
So, lots of Panger's emotion to me translates as would, should, coulda.

My issues with the broadcasts are with the intermission team.
Last night when I came back the already on the TV game, to see the start of one of the periods and looked at the muted likes of Pat Boyle, Caley Chelios, and Charlie Roumeliotis and thought to myself, "Is this what I am going to be relying on to bring me competent coverage in the final years of my life
- wiz1901[/I]?

No, I am not sick...just sick of them.

I am pretty sure Pat Boyle was hired by the channel and I am really not sure when he got there, but he is an announcer not any sort of long term fan (from what I conjure by his opinions and his observation parrot what he has heard.)

Charlie Roumeliotis is a better content writer than I possibly could be, but he knows only what he is feed, with a narrow understanding of what is and isn't.

Caley Chelios is by far the most knowledgable of the three growing up in a hockey house. I only elevated to thi9s status when she was Voster's colorwoman when Pang was off double dipping on a TNT broadcast.

A few years ago after Kyle took over, I knew we were going to be barraged with broadcasts of wait the future IS coming.
I never thought that they could try and sell the current future with the hype that "current personal has shown above average performance."

They are selling the game, seats and TV time.

But man what I would give for a new host who had more hockey expertise and knowledge.
And Charlie Roumeliotis is privy to all the insider stuff, the extent of injuries, the possible moves, the general locker room consensus of the staff, but he certainty is only be their media parrot.

As much as some of us here feel the team's future is bleak, I think this intermission report seals the idea that they are unable to draw enthusiasm through the bullfeatehrs that comes out of their mouths too.

Agree with most of this Wiz.

In 3 years Vlasic will be our first long term contract.
- rpeters01

Maybe Vlasic gets re-signed to an 8 year deal on his next contract?

Maybe Vlasic gets re-signed to an 8 year deal on his next contract?
- DarthKane

Stranger things have definitely happened. Not 100% comparable player but Jake Sanderson got 8x8M coming off his ELC. I think Sanderson has more offensive upside, hence the dollar value, but just saying these things do happen.

Stranger things have definitely happened. Not 100% comparable player but Jake Sanderson got 8x8M coming off his ELC. I think Sanderson has more offensive upside, hence the dollar value, but just saying these things do happen.
- breadbag

Right now, I'd handicap Vlasic's next contract at between $3 - 4.5M. it will be interesting to see what the term is.

Stranger things have definitely happened. Not 100% comparable player but Jake Sanderson got 8x8M coming off his ELC. I think Sanderson has more offensive upside, hence the dollar value, but just saying these things do happen.
- breadbag

Fair point, but if Vlasic signs a long term deal (7-8 years) I suspect it will be for close to this amount, maybe $6-$7 millions AAV. While Vlasic doesn't have the offense of Sanderson he does everything else better, plus I don't think his offense is that poor. The Hawks are running with 2 d-men on PP1, Jones and Vlasic - not Korchinski. I expect that will change in time, but for now the Hawks think enough of Vlasic to put him on the powerplay. I'm not saying Vlasic is the 2nd coming of Brian Campbell, but he could produce between the typical output of Murphy and Jones.

I have the answer to the Hawks offensive woes:

https://www.eliteprospect...ayer/8652/rostislav-olesz

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My issues with the broadcasts are with the intermission team.
Last night when I came back the already on the TV game, to see the start of one of the periods and looked at the muted likes of Pat Boyle, Caley Chelios, and Charlie Roumeliotis and thought to myself, "Is this what I am going to be relying on to bring me competent coverage in the final years of my life?

No, I am not sick...just sick of them....
- wiz1901

I imagine you are aware of this - but you aren't alone. But seriously most don't in those positions. I liked good old Dan Rowen (Roan, whatever ... can't be arsed looking the spelling up). I remember that guy from before the Hawks won anything -and fair weather fans flooded in - that guy was pretty contemptuous and dismissive of hockey and hockey fans.

I guess I am a little lucky because the streams don't usually run the full intermission shows -or any intermission at all - there is a placeholder screen with a drone of all I can call it as 'aural ambience' - so it gets muted over here.

I do get to read Charlie's stuff on the NBC site- and most of that is pretty laughable, because it generally bears no resemblance to hockey.

Pretty much anyone here (which I accept there is a wide variety of opinions of varying degrees of being tongue in cheek to outright silly at times) could do a more consistent, actual hockey themed product any day of the week.


...Keeping in mind that in 1990's Kansas City in the I - they actually had their stadium PA guy announcing when the puck was out of play to the crowd -- as if it wasn't pretty damned obvious. There is lower to go in the dumbed down space- but it isn't really a place anyone ought to go who is older than maybe 3 and entirely new to the idea of ice hockey of any sort.

I have the answer to the Hawks offensive woes:

https://www.eliteprospect...ayer/8652/rostislav-olesz


- DarthKane

That dude's still playing??? Who knew?

Dots, a couple days ago you weren’t sure if Dahlin was physical.

https://youtu.be/Mh28R69T8KM?si=3GupY9FnSvajc2NY

Fair point, but if Vlasic signs a long term deal (7-8 years) I suspect it will be for close to this amount, maybe $6-$7 millions AAV. While Vlasic doesn't have the offense of Sanderson he does everything else better, plus I don't think his offense is that poor. The Hawks are running with 2 d-men on PP1, Jones and Vlasic - not Korchinski. I expect that will change in time, but for now the Hawks think enough of Vlasic to put him on the powerplay. I'm not saying Vlasic is the 2nd coming of Brian Campbell, but he could produce between the typical output of Murphy and Jones.
- DarthKane

I get what you are saying. He isn't bad offensively just isn't gonna win any scoring races IMO. Probably gonna get his 20-30 points and be a solid well rounded guy. I think his production might fluctuate depending on how the team is scoring as a whole. He isn't gonna be a big offensive generator, but will get his touches on the puck and opportunity to blast it on net.

Just for comparison, Seabrook averaged ~35 points per 82 games in his career and while scoring is up, I don't think Vlasic will get to his level, just IMO but probably better than say a Nik Hjalmarsson who averaged just a few under 20 points a season. Time will tell and I could be dead wrong, I don't think anyone had him really improving this much this quickly on the defensive side, so maybe he keeps getting better and better, but this is my predicition.

Maybe for me, a good comparable for him might be Colton Parayko. A big guy, defends pretty well, puts in a little bit of offense and eats minutes. He got 5x5.5 on his first deal after his ELC and then signed a 8x6.5 deal next. I just hope we don't end up with a Darnell Nurse contract.