the $10-12M we have wasted on the jamokes at the bottom of the roster all expire this offseason.

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- Swedish_Jesus

I swear I read (red) this 12 months ago


what has changed this season vs last with girgens and okposo??


I doubt anything in adams or donnies eyes

Dahlin/Power/Samulesson/Clifton are locked in. Ryan Johnson won’t break the bank. You can potentially move Clifton or buy him out if need be. Joker and E Johnson are probably goners.

Greenway moves on when his deal is up (if he isn’t traded before then) and the $10-12M we have wasted on the jamokes at the bottom of the roster all expire this offseason.

Krebs won’t cost a lot on a short term deal and we have prospects out the ying yang that will be battling for middle 6 spots (one or more should be traded for a top 4 RHD).

UPL should be bridged and I can’t imagine Levi costing a lot come next offseason. Once it’s time for Levi to get paid, UPL is a goner.

Cap keeps rising through it all. The rough decision comes with Tuch two years from now and I think a big part of that will hedge on if they can get out of the last two years of Skinner’s deal
- Swedish_Jesus

If you sign Peterka and Quinn to 2 year bridge deals, Skinner's deal will be over when both need a new deal.

How interested should they be in signing Tuch to a new deal at 30 years old, even if they had ample cap space?

If you sign Peterka and Quinn to 2 year bridge deals, Skinner's deal will be over when both need a new deal.

How interested should they be in signing Tuch to a new deal at 30 years old, even if they had ample cap space?
- kingcong39

And both will make much more then if you extended long term when we are able to.

We have seen it with Reinhart, Dahlin, and now Mittelstadt. I don’t think Quinn and Peterka making it 5/5 is the solution.

Besides if you aren’t willing to give term to a U23 player locking up a majority of their prime at the best marginal cap hit, who else are you giving that money to and is it worth it ?

If you sign Peterka and Quinn to 2 year bridge deals, Skinner's deal will be over when both need a new deal.

How interested should they be in signing Tuch to a new deal at 30 years old, even if they had ample cap space?
- kingcong39

In terms of Tuch, every team eventually caves and gives a guy term into his 30’s and considering he is a home town kid and could potentially “want to be here” at that point I see them signing him.

I don’t know if I agree with it, but I’m prepared for it

“Desai coached at Temple, Miami and Boston College. He coached defense, special teams and even running backs.”

“He joined the Bears in 2013 as quality control coach and two years later, Fangio became defensive coordinator.

"We were both in the booth and he sat next to me," Desai said. "Well, I sat next to him, I should say. He got to choose where he wanted to sit. I was just put next to him."

“Desai has credited Fangio for how he prepares, approaches the game, seeks buy-in from players and teaches them the 'whys.' Desai has spoken of the importance of distinct vision and identity.

In 2021, while Fangio was serving as Broncos head coach, Desai was promoted to Bears defensive coordinator. Chicago ranked sixth in the NFL in defense, despite key injuries to Khalil Mack, Danny Trevathan and Akiem Hicks.

Players have said Desai will sometimes literally sound like Fangio.“

https://www.palmbeachpost...sai-5-things/69832170007/
- Swedish_Jesus

OK, again Fagio didn't give him his start in the NFL, and he didn't learn anything the 3 years after he left, looks like he's a Protégé of multiple.

I don't see how either accepts $3M per unless they have a big drop in production.

Based on their current production rates, I think their bridge will be at least $5M per.
- kingcong39

Quinn has to stay Healthy and consistently produce and that's a big jump from his JJ 's ELC. We shall see, still got over a year.

Scratch Benson, Okposo on top line.
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Like a tanks for sure

Quinn has to stay Healthy and consistently produce and that's a big jump from his JJ 's ELC. We shall see, still got over a year.
- Buff36

They can both extended this offseason if management so chooses.

No different than Power and Dahlin extending a year early this past offseason.

Whether or not they do so is a another question, but nonetheless

They can both extended this offseason if management so chooses.

No different than Power and Dahlin extending a year early this past offseason.

Whether or not they do so is a another question, but nonetheless
- Swedish_Jesus

Sure but that wouldn't really have anything to do with what 39 is saying, and it could actually hurt them in contract talks.

If you sign Peterka and Quinn to 2 year bridge deals, Skinner's deal will be over when both need a new deal.

How interested should they be in signing Tuch to a new deal at 30 years old, even if they had ample cap space?
- kingcong39

Depends on what's happening then and with him.

Dahlin/Power/Samulesson/Clifton are locked in. Ryan Johnson won’t break the bank. You can potentially move Clifton or buy him out if need be. Joker and E Johnson are probably goners.

Greenway moves on when his deal is up (if he isn’t traded before then) and the $10-12M we have wasted on the jamokes at the bottom of the roster all expire this offseason.

Krebs won’t cost a lot on a short term deal and we have prospects out the ying yang that will be battling for middle 6 spots (one or more should be traded for a top 4 RHD).

UPL should be bridged and I can’t imagine Levi costing a lot come next offseason. Once it’s time for Levi to get paid, UPL is a goner.

Cap keeps rising through it all. The rough decision comes with Tuch two years from now and I think a big part of that will hedge on if they can get out of the last two years of Skinner’s deal
- Swedish_Jesus

Long term deals are about much more than just the 1st year they kick in, and even that is 1.5 seasons away.

Feels like you're shrugging off goaltending. UPL is about to turn 25. 2 years from UFA. You can bridge him for a year. That's the safe move, but then they will have to make a real decision or let indecision kill them again. That's the same time as you're talking with Quinn and Peterka.

All signs point to Levi being a major PITA of an extension. Dude held them hostage and KA gave in on everything.

Sure but that wouldn't really have anything to do with what 39 is saying, and it could actually hurt them in contract talks.
- Buff36

Extending them a year early would be insane. It was aggressive with Power, but he's a #1 pick.

Would anyone be shocked if Benson was better than both next year? I think there's a good chance of that.

Extending them a year early would be insane. It was aggressive with Power, but he's a #1 pick.

Would anyone be shocked if Benson was better than both next year? I think there's a good chance of that.
- Lunaion

Sabres have a bunch of decisions coming, they need to make decisions on all these prospects. They need to start using some as assets. To many to sign

Extending them a year early would be insane. It was aggressive with Power, but he's a #1 pick.

Would anyone be shocked if Benson was better than both next year? I think there's a good chance of that.
- Lunaion

I would not be shocked and Power was a 6’6 puck moving defensemen 1st overall. I agree, huge difference

I know we both agree that signing one or both to a 3 year term, thereby putting them to one year left before becoming a UFA with ARB rights would be a very bad job by the GM.
- kingcong39

3 years doesn't kill me the way it used to. The league has changed.

I don't like the idea of dealing with them both in the same summer, but odds are it's for the next GM.

What does their top 6 look like at that point? No clue, but at least a few of these prospects will have disappointed by then. There's really no room for them all to stay and produce. On the flip side, if Kulich turns into a big PP scorer and outproduces them all, I'm also not surprised.

Sabres have a bunch of decisions coming, they need to make decisions on all these prospects. They need to start using some as assets. To many to sign
- Buff36

Another big topic that gets avoided. If they use assets to improve the team, those guys aren't free either.

Has anyone imagined the type of future considerations Adams could get for Peterka and Quinn?

Stick to the plan boys….

You know there's some big difference though. More production, a C, perception, and popularity. Hard to point to him without even a 2nd name.
- Lunaion

I only used your examples.

It'll be interesting to see the projections when Evolving Hockey has them ready.

Extending them a year early would be insane. It was aggressive with Power, but he's a #1 pick.

Would anyone be shocked if Benson was better than both next year? I think there's a good chance of that.
- Lunaion

They did it with Samuelsson, so...

I would be a little bit surprised with Benson as his size is still concerning to me, and his not top end foot speed.

Has anyone imagined the type of future considerations Adams could get for Peterka and Quinn?

Stick to the plan boys….
- washedup20

There are no un-tradeables on his team. A prospect demonstrating the talents you drafted him for does not put him on some untouchable list. I’m just not sure I want this GM making those decisions.

They did it with Samuelsson, so...

I would be a little bit surprised with Benson as his size is still concerning to me, and his not top end foot speed.
- kingcong39

Samuelsson was their attempt at a team friendly deal. Not looking too good atm.

I don't think they are going to get that out 1st round forwards (or a 2nd playing like one). Maybe if they wanted to try that with Krebs. Possibly Johnson?

Scratch Benson, Okposo on top line.
Feels
Like a tanks for sure
- lulags

Another big topic that gets avoided. If they use assets to improve the team, those guys aren't free either.
- Lunaion

Very true

Samuelsson was their attempt at a team friendly deal. Not looking too good atm.

I don't think they are going to get that out 1st round forwards (or a 2nd playing like one). Maybe if they wanted to try that with Krebs. Possibly Johnson?
- Lunaion

If the AAV for Samuelsson was in the $3M, I'd get the concept, but his AAV at $4.2M doesn't make sense as a team friendly deal.

He never had much offensive upside, and what's his ultimate upside? Erik Cernak?

So they rushed to save a million annually?

Not exactly a big savings.

Another big topic that gets avoided. If they use assets to improve the team, those guys aren't free either.
- Lunaion

To your point, how much of the players with salary on the NHL roster, that you'd be OK dealing, are actually desirable by other teams?

The viable trade options dwindle rapidly when thinking about it that way.