LA has fired their coach and named Jim Hiller interim coach for the remainder of the season
- DarthKane

How many coaches and GMs have they had since Sutter compared to us with Stan and Q?

If the Hawks are out on The German, that's the type of trade I'd make - another bite at the elite prospect apple.
- mohel

I'm seeing a lot of parallels between Reichel and Dach.

Both were Bowman picks.

Both under performing at this stage of their careers.

Dach supposedly had an attitude problem. Don't know how Reichel is in the room, but looks like he isn't doing what the coaches are asking of him.

Dach had a better pedigree being the 3rd OA and got a 1st in return by himself. Reichel wouldn't get a 1st by himself, but added to the TB pick as a sweetener, could return a higher 1st to the Hawks.

I'm seeing a lot of parallels between Reichel and Dach.

Both were Bowman picks.

Both under performing at this stage of their careers.

Dach supposedly had an attitude problem. Don't know how Reichel is in the room, but looks like he isn't doing what the coaches are asking of him.

Dach had a better pedigree being the 3rd OA and got a 1st in return by himself. Reichel wouldn't get a 1st by himself, but added to the TB pick as a sweetener, could return a higher 1st to the Hawks.
- boilermaker100

We will learn what KD thinks about Reichel progression if Reichel is here to start next season

You can make a trade that benefits the team, but moves the team in a different direction than the course they've been set on and working towards.

I'm just saying they didn't tear apart the team to look to trade those picks away unless it's a really compelling trade offer.

Do the Hawks have enough superstars in the pipeline yet that looks promising to justify trading for a player that much closer to UFA status and a payday? This is considering that the "win now" mode is still at least 2 years out, so that age 22 to 24 player will be 24-26 yrs old when the Hawks are actually competitive.
- breadbag

Hey Bread, no bad intentions, just a pinch of sarcasm. Indeed, I really doubt they would trade picks away for a "win now" move. I'm looking more at a player like Boldy where if he was available I would 100% go after. He's still very young, locked in, and has proven over a few years that he can produce. I think that completely fits into the direction of the team. With a few teams disappointing their owners/GM's at the moment, there may be players available who wouldn't be previously.

Regarding the superstars comment, I don't think you need, or can afford, too many of those. They've added 5 first round talents in the last two years. Pretty much all of them are showing extremely well in their respective leagues. You never know who will ultimately prove it until they get to the show. At this point in time, they have five more 1st round picks in the next three years, not even looking at the 2nd and 3rd rounders that are showing well. If you can pull 3-4 high end players out of that in addition to about 5-6 support pieces, (just in the forward ranks), you are done. I'm simply admitting that you aren't going to build your entire team through the draft.

Obviously not the GM's or players' fault.
- boilermaker100

The fact they traded for and signed PLD to that contract without a full mental evaluation is beyond me.

Hey Bread, no bad intentions, just a pinch of sarcasm. Indeed, I really doubt they would trade picks away for a "win now" move. I'm looking more at a player like Boldy where if he was available I would 100% go after. He's still very young, locked in, and has proven over a few years that he can produce. I think that completely fits into the direction of the team. With a few teams disappointing their owners/GM's at the moment, there may be players available who wouldn't be previously.

Regarding the superstars comment, I don't think you need, or can afford, too many of those. They've added 5 first round talents in the last two years. Pretty much all of them are showing extremely well in their respective leagues. You never know who will ultimately prove it until they get to the show. At this point in time, they have five more 1st round picks in the next three years, not even looking at the 2nd and 3rd rounders that are showing well. If you can pull 3-4 high end players out of that in addition to about 5-6 support pieces, (just in the forward ranks), you are done. I'm simply admitting that you aren't going to build your entire team through the draft.
- Chunk

No worries and no bad intentions here either. I enjoy the debate. I think I just question what it would take to land in a player like that who is on the rise (still improving), locked in for another 6 years and is performing well.

I just think we have one sure fire superstar and some guys who are maybes right now, but still might not be better than middle 6 once they go pro. Its a tough call.

NY isles waived muscleman Julien Gauthier.

I am thinking the hawks might have interest.

If the Hawks draft 4-5 I wonder if they move down in the draft to get more picks/assets?
- DarthKane

I doubt they ever drop down. Why would they when they have SEVEN picks in the top 69, 3 in the top 33, for 4 in the top 52???????
They can under all of them stockpile their entire system.

And no team or draft prognosticator has cemented any list except a that #1 top spot.

For the same reasons that each North American kid may need more time, there is a similar situation on the Russians and the Euros.

If is Kaapo Kakko actually on the market, at 22 he is well worth that Toronto 2025 first rounder and sweeter.
That sounds horsefeathers.

I don't think so, but i do think Levshunov is a guy they would be happy to fall to them if they were drafting 4 or 5th, maybe even Parekh?

I believe KD is going to try to move up in the 1st round trading the Bolts pick and a 2nd round pick.
- BetweenTheDots

yeah, he tried that before and no one bit, and supposedly offer LOTS of second rounders as bait...

If he's best available then i say yes, but if not you've got someone ranked higher than him gotta take the other player. Failed draft picks happen because teams draft based on need.
- BetweenTheDots

...and they fail when scouting expectations aren't met from the scouting being the primary basis of a selection, and the skating aspect always tends to say the prospect will be in the big leagues quicker.

I remember distinctly that some one here prior to the 2018 draft said take the red head Noah Dobson, let him finish developing and you got an all around defender.

Others wanted guys who weren't going to be there (Brady Tkachuk,me..or Quinn Hughes who was never going to be there either)) or the one way Bouchard.

The Hawks on the other hand wanted a big centre and they were disappointed and surprised when Jesperi Kotkaniemi was selected 3rd over all by Montreal!
They then went dee, so sure teams go by their list.
was Boqvist the pick because he was their Hughes type defender pick that could be up in the bigs earlier, as they had him in pretty quick, instead of having the long term confidence in drafting a Dobson.

Sometimes scouting fails due to impatience for results.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1753443536928645627?t=Dc8GetugepePFftGWJudRA&s=19

Still not finalized, still details to be worked out, but all indications are that the Montreal Canadiens are trading Sean Monahan to the Winnipeg Jets
- captainserious

Holy Pierre Lucy Dubois replacement.

Did Montreal make out like a bandit no matter what the return is!

Calgary PAID Montreal a first rounder to take his contract:

Montreal Canadiens Acquire:

Sean Monahan

2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: 1. If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead. Result: TBD

Scenario: In the event CGY receives FLA’s 2025 1st round pick:
1. If both CGY AND FLA’s picks are NOT top 10, MTL will receive the better of the CGY and FLA 2025 1st round picks. Result: TBD

2. If CGY’s pick is top 10, AND FLA’s pick is NOT top 10, MTL receives FLA’s pick. Result: TBD


Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick:

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10
1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and
2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick.
Result: TBD

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD

Indeed, so what would be the issue with trading the pick for a player who has already proven to be a producer in the league (22-24 years old), instead of a player you hope turns into one. No idea if a player like that is even available, but with the cap being the cap and rosters being capped, if a player meeting this description is available, I make that trade 100/100.
- Chunk

Unless if the hawks are picking g say 4th and they are looking for a 22-24 as a payment, the only ones I see as equal payment are unperforming ones that teams are willing to let go of, or disgruntled because of the 2nd contract they were offered "insulted them."

Not so sure an early pick gets you what you are looking for ... teams will be offing a boatload of others, not quality, performance wise or mentally ready.

You can make a trade that benefits the team, but moves the team in a different direction than the course they've been set on and working towards.

I'm just saying they didn't tear apart the team to look to trade those picks away unless it's a really compelling trade offer.

Do the Hawks have enough superstars in the pipeline yet that looks promising to justify trading for a player that much closer to UFA status and a payday? This is considering that the "win now" mode is still at least 2 years out, so that age 22 to 24 player will be 24-26 yrs old when the Hawks are actually competitive.
- breadbag

Nope and until Ollie Moore starts scoring, I won't count on him being the answer, so draft me some more prospects b/c the Boldy, Stuzles isn't on the market, and higher end and neither are the higher end Hughes brother, or Simon Edvinsson, or Logan Cooley

yeah, he tried that before and no one bit, and supposedly offer LOTS of second rounders as bait...
- wiz1901

That's true but what was it 20 years since the last time not one team traded a 1st round pick during the draft to move up?

Unless if the hawks are picking g say 4th and they are looking for a 22-24 as a payment, the only ones I see as equal payment are unperforming ones that teams are willing to let go of, or disgruntled because of the 2nd contract they were offered "insulted them."

Not so sure an early pick gets you what you are looking for ... teams will be offing a boatload of others, not quality, performance wise or mentally ready.
- wiz1901

On it's face, maybe not, but there are always situations where other pressures lead to odd things happening. There is no reason that TT should have been available, but he was because the Hawks were desperate. Tkachuk leaving CAL, PLD going to LA, etc.
Look at Tampa, they have 15 roster players signed for next year and only $11M in cap space (and no 1st rd picks the next two years).

I doubt they ever drop down. Why would they when they have SEVEN picks in the top 69, 3 in the top 33, for 4 in the top 52???????
They can under all of them stockpile their entire system.

And no team or draft prognosticator has cemented any list except a that #1 top spot.

For the same reasons that each North American kid may need more time, there is a similar situation on the Russians and the Euros.

If is Kaapo Kakko actually on the market, at 22 he is well worth that Toronto 2025 first rounder and sweeter.
That sounds horsefeathers.
- wiz1901

Who do you like better as a pro between Reichel and Kakko?

Who do you like better as a pro between Reichel and Kakko?
- Chunk

Kaappo K., based on the much longer NHL resume. I don't thunk he is on the market right now anyway.

I know what he brings on the wall and his stride is powerful, and if he isn't a big goal guy, he is Reichel, right?, b/c there is little indication he can finish, just that he has great feet. KK has decent feet too, with enlarged feet.

That's true but what was it 20 years since the last time not one team traded a 1st round pick during the draft to move up?
- BetweenTheDots

Ian Cole St. Louis - San Jose Logan Couture at the Kane draft in Columbus.


There arguing to be players like Teravainen that get traded b/c teams in contention have to make cruel Cap decisions.

And so much of this discussion is you cannot have just start but ancillary types that you trade for and give the raises their original teams wouldn't, but not so sure you trade out of one of the top slots for that.

If you make a solid selection at #5 you are getting an NHLer, but you are waiting for that to happen.
There is cost effectiveness in keeping the pick but Zadinas happen.

Hey Bread, no bad intentions, just a pinch of sarcasm. Indeed, I really doubt they would trade picks away for a "win now" move. I'm looking more at a player like Boldy where if he was available I would 100% go after. He's still very young, locked in, and has proven over a few years that he can produce. I think that completely fits into the direction of the team. With a few teams disappointing their owners/GM's at the moment, there may be players available who wouldn't be previously.

Regarding the superstars comment, I don't think you need, or can afford, too many of those. They've added 5 first round talents in the last two years. Pretty much all of them are showing extremely well in their respective leagues. You never know who will ultimately prove it until they get to the show. At this point in time, they have five more 1st round picks in the next three years, not even looking at the 2nd and 3rd rounders that are showing well. If you can pull 3-4 high end players out of that in addition to about 5-6 support pieces, (just in the forward ranks), you are done. I'm simply admitting that you aren't going to build your entire team through the draft.
- Chunk

For me its more about timing, if Bedard was 22, 23, 24 years old which would make KK about the same and Vlasic a few years older then them I would definitely strongly consider it, but with an 18, 19 and 22 year old I'd rather keep the draft pick.

Let the Western Canada arms race begin!

Two Canadian teams trade their 2024 late first rounders for players to two other Canadien teams to boot!

The Hawk's Hagel pick from Tampa may fall before or after these two depending upon who has the biggest playoff fail...

Three teams three good goalies and the rest.

Current standings say Tampa pick would be first one made IF they all get booted in the first round.

Any guesses? I go TB and we pick before Montreal and Calgary use these selections.

If the Hawks don't draft #1 overall agree that its wide open. RHD Levshunov would be a nice pick-up but so would RW Demidov. Wiz has Demidov at #6, but I've seen him at #2 in other draft rankings.
- DarthKane

Kaner, do you have the tolerance to use a top 5 pick on a Russian? ...... I do not, not sure where I draw the line of when I'd draft a Cossack, but if I had no problems depending on Putin I just might take Siliyev 1st over all.

A true freak in every way at a premium position and might have a mean streak in him, not sure.

Kaner, do you have the tolerance to use a top 5 pick on a Russian? ...... I do not, not sure where I draw the line of when I'd draft a Cossack, but if I had no problems depending on Putin I just might take Siliyev 1st over all.

A true freak in every way at a premium position and might have a mean streak in him, not sure.
- Mr Ricochet

Ovi and a few others are the exception, but not many Ruskies last too long with the team that drafted them. Most of them don't want to play in the AHL either, rather play in the KHL for more money. Language barrier and then there's the ultimate pleasure of having to deal with Agent Daniel Milstein.

Hawks can't risk a top 5 pick on one of them, best idea is to wait for a good one to slide down the draft board far enough until the kid is clearly best player available.

Ovi and a few others are the exception, but not many Ruskies last too long with the team that drafted them. Most of them don't want to play in the AHL either, rather play in the KHL for more money. Language barrier and then there's the ultimate pleasure of having to deal with Agent Daniel Milstein.

Hawks can't risk a top 5 pick on one of them, best idea is to wait for a good one to slide down the draft board far enough until the kid is clearly best player available.
- RickJ

Taresenko was with the Blues long, and Malkin.

Look how long the Wild waited for theirs.

In think Panarin wanted to stay with Kane, but he arrived later and wanted the big bucks, and unfortunately StanBo had dug the Cap hole already.

I am thinking if
Arizona's Dmitriy Simashev & Daniil But are you test cases...on the whole others on Dee got traded.

Taresenko was with the Blues long, and Malkin.

Look how long the Wild waited for theirs.

In think Panarin wanted to stay with Kane, but he arrived later and wanted the big bucks, and unfortunately StanBo had dug the Cap hole already.

I am thinking if
Arizona's Dmitriy Simashev & Daniil But are you test cases...on the whole others on Dee got traded.
- wiz1901

By the "few others" I was referring to Malkin, Kuznetsov, the 3 guys in Tampa. Tarasenko fell to the Blues at around #16.

Podkolzin has done nothing yet in Vancouver. (Maybe Rutherford would dump him into KD's lap for some other favour). And we"ll see how long it takes Michkov to show up in Philly.

Just sayin they are risky bets if picking in top 5, not a comment on their playing skills.

By the "few others" I was referring to Malkin, Kuznetsov, the 3 guys in Tampa. Tarasenko fell to the Blues at around #16.

Podkolzin has done nothing yet in Vancouver. (Maybe Rutherford would dump him into KD's lap for some other favour). And we"ll see how long it takes Michkov to show up in Philly.

Just sayin they are risky bets if picking in top 5, not a comment on their playing skills.
- RickJ

With the political instability in Russia, the KHL, the inability of North American scouts to properly scout them, the refusal of some to play in the AHL and the uncertainty of their arrival after being drafted would concern me. Picking Kantserov in the second round where they had multiple picks is a bit of a risk but choosing a Russian with picks 1 thru 5 is extremely risky. I’d prefer the Hawks choose the safe pick unless someone like Michkov were available.