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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Feb 3 @ 9:13 PM ET
Yes- sorry- that's correct - Greek alphabet - not Cyrillic... it was too early...

- SC116



Romaloutis has a Teutonic first name Charles, and I on't mean to besmirch one of Chicago's cultural icons, our Greek population.
I am a 100 % polish and I have really never met other Poles who are close to as tight knit a community as our Greeks.
Charlie likes telling who is asking who is and I have ahd so many Greek acquaintances seemed to all do the same. They marry inside the community, not outside even though they will date anyone especially if it is advantageous just not marry outside.
I just think it is ironic that he wants to be "so Greek" but isn't named Vassili (Billy in Greek or Petros, or even. nicknamed Kosta...and was being rather nasty about it.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 3 @ 9:46 PM ET
Hawks need s pure scorer… if they dont draft #1 then i take eiserman. Cayden is tempting too but he isnt the scorer that bedard needs on his line. They can draft a bigger center with later pick(s) or a defenseman. We have holes to fill but we cant do it all at one time.
- LFS

I agree this is the best approach. Get that goal scorer first. The question could turn out to be who to draft if both Celebrini and Eiserman are chooses before our turn

There is the later round choices and a first round -probably early first round - in 2025 maybe early again in 2026.

I like to fill in this order: goal scorer, big center, dman, another top six forward not necessarily a center

As for goaltender we just wait for a couple of kids to develop and hope they are above average There is D Basse too as well as we can draft another netminder
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Feb 3 @ 11:17 PM ET
As for goaltender we just wait for a couple of kids to develop and hope they are above average There is D Basse too as well as we can draft another netminder
- jhawk59


I say take another goaltender but not early, and let the chips fall with the four they like, our back-up, Commesso, Gajan and Stauber.

I forgot I wanted to say this to Ricochet a few blogs back.
There is a Pennsylvanian kid I saw that has the swagger glove and economy of movement named Ajay White, who plays remarkably similar to his predecessor with the Chippewa Steel. His also tall and ranging and with a hawk's vision in the crease. I was so surprised I watched more, and sure enough I am, of the opinion he is a carbon copy of Gajan,in size, skill, temperament, but he has got more bulk in his lower trunk. He is 6' 3" 185 right now, with a strong core that allows him sharp lateral movement, quick up-downs, strong positioning in the butterfly, so much so that in the NAHL if you don't paint the extreme corners, you just do not score on him.

I have yet to add him to my mock, because I am wasting time here (ha!) and haven't seen a large canvass, but I am sure Corey, Scott, Craig and MacKenzie's consortium has mentioned him in print.

He was the last goalie cut from the US Hlinka-Gretky team in August.

I don't expect him to jump into the high rankings because I think he's maybe shown his wares in 23 + games andd a couple with the Sioux City Musketeers and he has committed to the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul. Minnesota.
His metrics in Chippewa are almost a linear match of Adam Gajan's. It's not like selecting him later in the draft means we loaded up on a second Gajan; but I will be keeping an eye on his trajectory until the draft.

(I just had the hawks select him with their current last pick...maybe they will add a later one and take him even later...)
I just keep think more forwards, more forwards, more forwards for them.

Another undiscussed lately about the the Entry draft is the GM's knowing which year to target that year's draft or decide that next years crop is stronger, so stick with trying to acquire more in a future year.
LetsGoHawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 12.12.2009

Feb 4 @ 12:40 PM ET
I agree this is the best approach. Get that goal scorer first. The question could turn out to be who to draft if both Celebrini and Eiserman are chooses before our turn

There is the later round choices and a first round -probably early first round - in 2025 maybe early again in 2026.

I like to fill in this order: goal scorer, big center, dman, another top six forward not necessarily a center

As for goaltender we just wait for a couple of kids to develop and hope they are above average There is D Basse too as well as we can draft another netminder

- jhawk59


While I expect 98 to improve defensively as he matures, a line with Bedard and Eiserman could be a disaster.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 1:16 PM ET
While I expect 98 to improve defensively as he matures, a line with Bedard and Eiserman could be a disaster.
- LetsGoHawks


Bedard and Marcel Marcel. Match made in heaven.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 4 @ 1:47 PM ET
While I expect 98 to improve defensively as he matures, a line with Bedard and Eiserman could be a disaster.
- LetsGoHawks


It doesn't mean they have to play on the same line, but i bet it helps the power play.

From the sounds of it, sounds like Moore is a defensively responsible forward, way to early but i can see Bedard and Nazar line 1, Moore and Eiserman line 2, but it probably won't matter since we'll draft Celebrini.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 4 @ 2:35 PM ET
While I expect 98 to improve defensively as he matures, a line with Bedard and Eiserman could be a disaster.
- LetsGoHawks


Yep, I thought the very same thing when thinking about Bedard, to Eiserman, shot and a goal. That they'd need a couple defensive Dmen out with them and a large shutdown winger to complete their line. ... But, despite their defensive shortcomings I'm near positive those two would outscore their deficiencies. ..... I haven't given up on Bedard having a Crosby type game, though. Early returns say probably not but have to remember he's an 18 yr old kid whose NHL team runs everything thru him with no legit top 6 NHLers to skate with.

Tuned into the U-18's hosting Youngstown this week. Eiserman was the first one into the Ozone and the last one out all game. ...
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 4 @ 2:39 PM ET
It doesn't mean they have to play on the same line, but i bet it helps the power play.

From the sounds of it, sounds like Moore is a defensively responsible forward, way to early but i can see Bedard and Nazar line 1, Moore and Eiserman line 2, but it probably won't matter since we'll draft Celebrini.

- BetweenTheDots


99% probability if you draft a possible 50 goal NHL winger you pair him with Bedard and his ability to get pucks to his wingers in dangerous spots. ...... And who projects as the Hawk's 2C? You'd be wasting an Eiserman on L2 without a crack centerman.

Otherwise go with Lindstrom who has the makings of an NHL 2C, no?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Feb 4 @ 3:13 PM ET
99% probability if you draft a possible 50 goal NHL winger you pair him with Bedard and his ability to get pucks to his wingers in dangerous spots. ...... And who projects as the Hawk's 2C? You'd be wasting an Eiserman on L2 without a crack centerman.

Otherwise go with Lindstrom who has the makings of an NHL 2C, no?

- Mr Ricochet


Nazar?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 4 @ 3:53 PM ET
99% probability if you draft a possible 50 goal NHL winger you pair him with Bedard and his ability to get pucks to his wingers in dangerous spots. ...... And who projects as the Hawk's 2C? You'd be wasting an Eiserman on L2 without a crack centerman.

Otherwise go with Lindstrom who has the makings of an NHL 2C, no?

- Mr Ricochet


I thought Moore was playing center for Minny?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 4:24 PM ET
I thought Moore was playing center for Minny?
- BetweenTheDots


He’s been back and forth, but most of his time has seen at C. I think at WJC he was mostly playing wing.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 4:25 PM ET
Nazar?
- boilermaker100


But then you have two small top 6 centers grumble grumble…
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 4 @ 5:54 PM ET
Certainly couldn’t hurt Reichel to emulate Richardinson…

https://chicago.suntimes....dinson-nhl-all-star-break
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Feb 4 @ 6:00 PM ET
Romaloutis has a Teutonic first name Charles, and I on't mean to besmirch one of Chicago's cultural icons, our Greek population.
I am a 100 % polish and I have really never met other Poles who are close to as tight knit a community as our Greeks.
Charlie likes telling who is asking who is and I have ahd so many Greek acquaintances seemed to all do the same. They marry inside the community, not outside even though they will date anyone especially if it is advantageous just not marry outside.
I just think it is ironic that he wants to be "so Greek" but isn't named Vassili (Billy in Greek or Petros, or even. nicknamed Kosta...and was being rather nasty about it.

- wiz1901



Charles is Gallic, not Teutonic ... Teutonic would be Karl -but of course, in thinking about it -- you just came up with another good sarcastic fit ... the good Insider can now be referred to as Karl (given your Polish roots ... I imagine that has some potential ) .

or Karl the Insider ... got potential, Wiz - you get credit for that one once I start using it. I suppose Carl the Insider works - because that's the Anglicizes version of it - German rarely uses the letter C unless it is as something in an 'sch' word.

vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Feb 4 @ 6:29 PM ET
99% probability if you draft a possible 50 goal NHL winger you pair him with Bedard and his ability to get pucks to his wingers in dangerous spots. ...... And who projects as the Hawk's 2C? You'd be wasting an Eiserman on L2 without a crack centerman.

Otherwise go with Lindstrom who has the makings of an NHL 2C, no?

- Mr Ricochet


After watching Nazar play in the World Jrs, I have no concern about the 2C of the future.

You need wings for Bedard and him.

Nazar was an assist machine playing on a line with very good players, playing against the best players in the world at their age. (with a couple exceptions who didn't play)
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Feb 4 @ 11:58 PM ET
Yes- sorry- that's correct - Greek alphabet - not Cyrillic... it was too early...

- SC116

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jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 5 @ 1:03 AM ET
After watching Nazar play in the World Jrs, I have no concern about the 2C of the future.

You need wings for Bedard and him.

Nazar was an assist machine playing on a line with very good players, playing against the best players in the world at their age. (with a couple exceptions who didn't play)

- vabeachbear

I am hoping for Ludwinski and Misiak to become solid third line players. It is too early to surmise or project where Green and Moore wind up, but they will be solid players. I wish I knew more whether Hayes has the talent and skates well enough to possibly wind up as a first or second line wing Somewhere Savoie could fit….as could Dach and maybe another forward at Rockford.

But the Rockford guys this season are either dealing with concussion and or missing a good skill center as linematte. So if you don’t see them often or come across reports with evaluation, we don’t know if the Rockford guys might step up in the next two seasons
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Feb 5 @ 1:27 AM ET
99% probability if you draft a possible 50 goal NHL winger you pair him with Bedard and his ability to get pucks to his wingers in dangerous spots. ...... And who projects as the Hawk's 2C? You'd be wasting an Eiserman on L2 without a crack centerman.
- Mr Ricochet


The beauty of Lil Frankie Nazar is so fast at centre that he fits there or on either wing either line or deeper on the third line to balance thing.

I think there hope is Ollie Moore into more that fireball but a good all-around player and one who IS in line as benefactor of line two centre as get more muscle, but a great fall bak as winger.

I would put out the most skilled and need of big one happens, when they find a rue replacement, some one who will cause the opposition fits on their possessions.
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Feb 5 @ 3:41 AM ET
Charles is Gallic, not Teutonic ... Teutonic would be Karl -but of course, in thinking about it -- you just came up with another good sarcastic fit ... the good Insider can now be referred to as Karl (given your Polish roots ... I imagine that has some potential ) .

or Karl the Insider ... got potential, Wiz - you get credit for that one once I start using it. I suppose Carl the Insider works - because that's the Anglicizes version of it - German rarely uses the letter C unless it is as something in an 'sch' word.

- SC116

Well im glad we got that settled and out of the way.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 5 @ 4:32 AM ET
Nazar?
- boilermaker100


Guess I could have tagged anyone on this topic but as of now I don't expect Nazar or Moore to be NHL centerman conceding it's way too early to tell. ..... One thing Hawk's fans know is how damn hard it is to somehow get even a middle of the road 2C.

Of course that didn't stop em from winning 3 cups. .......... Right now Nazar, Misiak, Moore, Ludwinski are great to have in the pipeline hoping one can be that 2C.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Feb 5 @ 7:33 AM ET
I am hoping for Ludwinski and Misiak to become solid third line players. It is too early to surmise or project where Green and Moore wind up, but they will be solid players. I wish I knew more whether Hayes has the talent and skates well enough to possibly wind up as a first or second line wing Somewhere Savoie could fit….as could Dach and maybe another forward at Rockford.

But the Rockford guys this season are either dealing with concussion and or missing a good skill center as linematte. So if you don’t see them often or come across reports with evaluation, we don’t know if the Rockford guys might step up in the next two seasons

- jhawk59


Myself, I don't see a current forward in Rockford that is part of the future other than maybe a couple guys who have a shot at 4th line in 3 to 4 years.


jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 5 @ 9:06 AM ET
Myself, I don't see a current forward in Rockford that is part of the future other than maybe a couple guys who have a shot at 4th line in 3 to 4 years.
- vabeachbear


The forward prospects who are rookie pro in Rockford don’t figure to become top line players (as you say) but hopefully they develop and have some better centers as teammates next couple years. I would like to see Dach and Rolston get better opportunity and I sure hope that Dach is not going to be dogged by concussions
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Feb 5 @ 10:21 AM ET
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between Reichel and Dach.

Both were Bowman picks.

Both under performing at this stage of their careers.

Dach supposedly had an attitude problem. Don't know how Reichel is in the room, but looks like he isn't doing what the coaches are asking of him.

Dach had a better pedigree being the 3rd OA and got a 1st in return by himself. Reichel wouldn't get a 1st by himself, but added to the TB pick as a sweetener, could return a higher 1st to the Hawks.

- boilermaker100


I think the difference was K. Dach is (was before he blew out his knee) a reliable NHL player who skated good and played positionally sound hockey. Not sure about attitude but def a NHL player.

Certainly could have used some more lead in his ass with how much he got knocked over in the ozone but at worst he's a quality 3rd line center good for 40 points you'll never remember and at best he's a second line center or first line wing 60 points you'll never remember but good teams need those guys. Thats why the hawks drafted him. Super high floor with a pretty decent ceiling.

Biggest issue with him are the people who were thinking he'd be a getzlaf type player or even like Toews but he just isn't that mean or tenacious.

Reichel doesn't even look like a NHL player at this point so there's that. Kinda like a Jurco comparable. A bit early to say one way or another but you'd think after two years in rockford he'd have a bit more of an idea.

That also being said if he was playing with NHL players instead of AHL or 13th forwards then maybe there's a different result. And I think trying him at center instead of building off what worked last year was a mistake. Thanks magical training camp .

I think you qualify him and see what happens with a bit of a stronger roster and hopefully health next year. Certainly potential and it isn't unheard of for young players to have a dreadful year like this.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 5 @ 10:28 AM ET
Myself, I don't see a current forward in Rockford that is part of the future other than maybe a couple guys who have a shot at 4th line in 3 to 4 years.
- vabeachbear


You never know, it seems some kids hit their stride later than earlier. That's one of the reasons I'm excited about the way KD is going about the rebuild. I do feel for Dach, how many concussions is that now?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 5 @ 10:38 AM ET
I think the difference was K. Dach is (was before he blew out his knee) a reliable NHL player who skated good and played positionally sound hockey. Not sure about attitude but def a NHL player.

Certainly could have used some more lead in his ass with how much he got knocked over in the ozone but at worst he's a quality 3rd line center good for 40 points you'll never remember and at best he's a second line center or first line wing 60 points you'll never remember but good teams need those guys. Thats why the hawks drafted him. Super high floor with a pretty decent ceiling.

Biggest issue with him are the people who were thinking he'd be a getzlaf type player or even like Toews but he just isn't that mean or tenacious.

Reichel doesn't even look like a NHL player at this point so there's that. Kinda like a Jurco comparable. A bit early to say one way or another but you'd think after two years in rockford he'd have a bit more of an idea.

That also being said if he was playing with NHL players instead of AHL or 13th forwards then maybe there's a different result
. And I think trying him at center instead of building off what worked last year was a mistake. Thanks magical training camp .

I think you qualify him and see what happens with a bit of a stronger roster and hopefully health next year. Certainly potential and it isn't unheard of for young players to have a dreadful year like this.

- fattybeef


I agree with the AHL forwards, i also think it doesn't help with so many better forwards injured as well. We have a top 3 pick right now, no need to do anything rash, sign him for 2 to 3 more years and see if his NHL development age is closer to 24 than 21. By then he should have at least one better line mate if not 2 and a more experienced defense behind him.
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