And that moots the discussion here about Kuzmenko. Will be interesting to see if he can turn his season around and next in Calgary and then the Flames get a good return for him at the next deadline.
- 333inthe3rd

Calgary flaming?
Loosing good players
The big Florida trade wasn’t a disaster totally but you should want to be the team getting Tzachuk. Now Calgary may be stuck with Huberdeau. I don’t know if this player will ever get back to the level he enjoyed in Florida

So Calgary minus Lindholm …..gosh …they trade Weeger then they are in the weeds …..might as well deconstruct and rebuild. They probably will trade Markstrom. Backstrom is a good player too I don’t know how their farm system looks but I bet Zary will be a pretty descent guy for them

Well now that we don’t have Blackhawk games for a while I want to broach an interesting point and it could turn out to be a real nice development for our team as hopefully a lot of kids trickle in and in years three through five there very well could be a 75% roster turnover

I am anxious to see where Green, Moore and Nazar fit in. Long term they may ascend into top two lines.
But should KD keep drafting well we may be able to produce four very good solid lines. Think how well players like Bolland, Big Buff, and several third and fourth line guys stood out in Cup runs. Our bottom line guys were better than our opponents.

And consider too all the speed, compete and buggers KD plans to assemble. Blackhawks will be thought of as Bedard’s team with a few pretty good players and a lot of hard working speedy buggers. The dmen group right now we can only guess it may prove quite capable and well rounded should some of the prospects turn out pretty good

The one area I am cautiously optimistic is goaltender. Usually the netminders take a few years to develop. One example of this currently is the Demko development.

I ask whether Comesso will turn out to be the man, or will it be much long term and Gajan moves in. Soderstrom may turn out ok but I have to suggest that Comesso and Gajan are the two with a better ceiling. Stauber is around but ever since his debut - very good too if you recall - he has not really stood out

It is a sellers market according to the Vancouver hockey buzz writer. His reaction is that the big Vancouver/Cakgary trade is fair enough for both sides. Moreover he is curious where Lindholm fits into their top six - guessing some players move around. Miller has played wing occasionally this season, he posed

Anyway we do not expect that KD will be fishing and expecting to find any GM bites on a major trade- you know the wonderful first round draft choice which are valuable gold assets to acquire apparently in the Chicago rebuild

Sure we may hypothesize a change of address for Mrzak and Murphy but the timing just doesn’t seem right. No. Not now but perhaps the trade deadline in 2025 is a viable alternate time for those two players

In fact both represent the biggest valued players to be moved

Someone on the board feels like Johnson may be moved. That is fine but don’t expect the moon for him

It is a sellers market according to the Vancouver hockey buzz writer. His reaction is that the big Vancouver/Cakgary trade is fair enough for both sides. Moreover he is curious where Lindholm fits into their top six - guessing some players move around. Miller has played wing occasionally this season, he posed

Anyway we do not expect that KD will be fishing and expecting to find any GM bites on a major trade- you know the wonderful first round draft choice which are valuable gold assets to acquire apparently in the Chicago rebuild

Sure we may hypothesize a change of address for Mrzak and Murphy but the timing just doesn’t seem right. No. Not now but perhaps the trade deadline in 2025 is a viable alternate time for those two players

In fact both represent the biggest valued players to be moved

Someone on the board feels like Johnson may be moved. That is fine but don’t expect the moon for him
- jhawk59

I like the trade from Vancouver's perspective. This is the type of year they should be going all-in and they made a big splash well ahead of the trade deadline. The prospects they gave up are good (not great) and Kuzmenko wanted out (and the team wanted him out). They paid a fair price for one of the top rentals.

I am really not sure what to expect from the Hawks at the TDL. Once the roster becomes heathy (or should I say 'if') they'll have extra skaters that will need to go, one way or another. T Johnson makes a lot of sense, but you're right, the return won't be much, maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick (probably conditional) with 50% retained. Guys like Anderson, Blackwell, Raddysh, Katchouk, Pitlick, Sandford, and R Johnson could be moved or some could be re-signed.

Murphy could be dealt, maybe not until the draft or the off-season. If the Hawks retained 50% then $2 million for Murphy for 2 more years would be a decent price for a contending team. I personally don't see it happening, I think Murphy offers more value on the Hawks roster than the pair of mid-round picks KD could get. Now, if a GM is crazy enough to offer a 1st round pick then KD should jump all over that.

The arms race is starting. Vancouver made a pretty big move and paid a pretty big price for it still IMO. They realize they will be in for a tough fight in their division come playoff time with the reigning cup champs and the streaking Edmonton Oilers. Not to mention probably the scariest team in the west when push comes to shove in Colorado as a possible hurdle. The Canucks want to prove they are legit contenders and not pretenders. We will find out when the going gets tough.

Teams are starting to add parts. Edmonton added Perry. Colorado added Parise. The Stars are probably going to do something probably to gear up here. The Jets also have some space to get creative I think. The bubble teams fighting for the wild card probably going to hunt for some "hockey trades" to get an edge. Some of them like Nashville have some room to maneuver.

The Hawks might end up moving an asset or two or three, but they might need to find a third team to retain for a small piece of the pie. Might even be a team willing to flip something for an asset KD isn't planning on keeping anyway. Sometimes teams just want to add more grit/physical guys for the grind. I don't think we'll get much unless we take a bad contract that is expiring in the next year or two. If we free up short term cap space for a team to make a bigger trade, or something along those lines.

While the Hawks have been sitting idle in the past couple of days, they have made some nice tank gains. The Sharks beating Seattle was a nice bonus setting up the Ducks/ Sharks match the next night. The perfect scenario would be a tie -BINGO !!-exactly what happened last nite.

While the Hawks have been sitting idle in the past couple of days, they have made some nice tank gains. The Sharks beating Seattle was a nice bonus setting up the Ducks/ Sharks match the next night. The perfect scenario would be a tie -BINGO !!-exactly what happened last nite.
- 67hawks

Best news i have heard all day

Anyone who thinks we can get something for TJ at the TDL is dreaming because he has zero value even with 50% retention. His salary, injury history and declining production are the strong negative factors. He is not the type of player playoff bound teams are looking for.

Anyone who thinks we can get something for TJ at the TDL is dreaming because he has zero value even with 50% retention. His salary, injury history and declining production are the strong negative factors. He is not the type of player playoff bound teams are looking for.
- 67hawks

I agree, dude is ALWAYS injured

Anyone who thinks we can get something for TJ at the TDL is dreaming because he has zero value even with 50% retention. His salary, injury history and declining production are the strong negative factors. He is not the type of player playoff bound teams are looking for.
- 67hawks

Maybe, but we never know what goes through a GM's mind. If a playoff team has lost some of their depth due to injury a guy like T Johnson makes sense. Yes, there's always the risk of TJ getting injured too, but its a risk some GMs may take. The return might be minimal, but I can see KD making this move for the player too.

I noticed we are 3 points behind SJ for basement and 12 behind CBJ for 4th worst record. Fair to say we should get a top 3/4 pick next year.

Maybe, but we never know what goes through a GM's mind. If a playoff team has lost some of their depth due to injury a guy like T Johnson makes sense. Yes, there's always the risk of TJ getting injured too, but its a risk some GMs may take. The return might be minimal, but I can see KD making this move for the player too.
- DarthKane

The best asset we have this year at the TDL is Cap Space - hopefully KD can weaponize it....

Anyone who thinks we can get something for TJ at the TDL is dreaming because he has zero value even with 50% retention. His salary, injury history and declining production are the strong negative factors. He is not the type of player playoff bound teams are looking for.
- 67hawks

I don't know, doesn't playoff experience count. How often does a team like let's say the Canucks who haven't been to the playoffs i think since the 2000 win a Stanley Cup? I think it's very very very rare.

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- 35Tony0

3-1-3-1-1

The race to the bottom currently includes Chicago, San Jose, and Anaheim. Hawks may finish 3rd from last and fall to the 5th pick. Aside from reducing the odds to draft Celebrini, there are others who would be a useful addition to the club.

There seems to be no consensus in the 2-5 picks. That group would include, depending on whose ranking you use, and in no particular order, forwards Lindstrom, Demidov, Eiserman, Catton and D-men Levshunov, Silayev, Dlckinson and Parekh. Not a fan of any Russians (Silayev and Demidov) since there is no guarantee they will ever come over. But there will be several more to choose from.

Edit - I know the Hawks are loaded with young D, but damn, I wonder if the Hawks take Parekh if their forward choices are off the board if they select at 4 or 5. The kid is lighting things up at Saginaw as an offensive defenseman.

I don't know, doesn't playoff experience count. How often does a team like let's say the Canucks who haven't been to the playoffs i think since the 2000 win a Stanley Cup? I think it's very very very rare.
- BetweenTheDots

The Canucks have great goaltending (Demko), Hughes on D and some very good forwards so why not take a run at it. Rutherford never sits on his butt building for next year to do something in the playoffs, he got himself a good centerman.

Plus he knows what they are up against in the West - Edmonton, Vegas, Colorado, Dallas, Winnipeg. These teams will be making moves soon too. (Maybe somebody will take Seth Jones).

I like the trade from Vancouver's perspective. This is the type of year they should be going all-in and they made a big splash well ahead of the trade deadline. The prospects they gave up are good (not great) and Kuzmenko wanted out (and the team wanted him out). They paid a fair price for one of the top rentals.

I am really not sure what to expect from the Hawks at the TDL. Once the roster becomes heathy (or should I say 'if') they'll have extra skaters that will need to go, one way or another. T Johnson makes a lot of sense, but you're right, the return won't be much, maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick (probably conditional) with 50% retained. Guys like Anderson, Blackwell, Raddysh, Katchouk, Pitlick, Sandford, and R Johnson could be moved or some could be re-signed.

Murphy could be dealt, maybe not until the draft or the off-season. If the Hawks retained 50% then $2 million for Murphy for 2 more years would be a decent price for a contending team. I personally don't see it happening, I think Murphy offers more value on the Hawks roster than the pair of mid-round picks KD could get. Now, if a GM is crazy enough to offer a 1st round pick then KD should jump all over that.
- DarthKane

Both teams got something in that deal. Vancouver is definitely all in. I hope KD gets a shout out for taking that cap hit off their hands. It's quite a turnaround from last year when the Canucks were sellers.

I'm not expecting much interesting to happen at the deadline here. KD won't give anything away, unless maybe it's "for the player" as you mentioned in another post. The interim core has been established, and those were the pieces we kept talking about moving early on this season. Maybe they get something for Blackwell. He's been a gamer since returning from the injury.

As I only have one more profile to have the entire top 32 done I was thinking how
they both skate well,
Kirby Dach and Cayden Lindstrom are both big but they sort of counter opposites.
Dach had high end hockey sense and puck skills, but Lindstrom has a high end shot and compete.

I am not sure that is a fair assessment b/c we haven't see Lindstrom in the bigs yet.



You are going to see little consensus after Celebrini..

- wiz1901

Comparing Dach and Lindstrom on its face is fair. Both big centers who can skate. But if you dig further the comparison ends with big and can skate as you are pointing out, Wiz.

Dach is a fluid, balanced more classical plus skater. Lindstrom is a different good skater. He has explosion in his feet that Dach does not have. A dynamic/explosive aspect to his skating therefore to his game. .. He's near full speed in 3 steps where it takes 6-7-8 strides for Dach to get to speed.

Lindstrom's hands are more dynamic too as is his shot. He's a quick twitch athlete whereas Dach is not.

And I agree, Dach is more cerebral but Lindstrom has much better compete and plays more physical. ...... A lazy evaluation would be Dach has a higher floor but Lindstrom a higher ceiling.

Reminds me of Vlasic and the 6ft 7in Cossack, Silayev. Vlasic is a beautiful balanced skater, the Cossack has explosion in his feet. The beast is near full speed in a few strides. Easy to see why evaluators salivate over the monster.

And indeed, after Celebrini the hockey world is all over the place. In theory that means opportunity. Like a Cooley or Benson type falling. Add many are scared off by any Russian and there is a real possibility value falls into your lap or to a point you can trade up like I wondered in real time last yr as Benson fell.

The race to the bottom currently includes Chicago, San Jose, and Anaheim. Hawks may finish 3rd from last and fall to the 5th pick. Aside from reducing the odds to draft Celebrini, there are others who would be a useful addition to the club.

There seems to be no consensus in the 2-5 picks. That group would include, depending on whose ranking you use, and in no particular order, forwards Lindstrom, Demidov, Eiserman, Catton and D-men Levshunov, Silayev, Dlckinson and Parekh. Not a fan of any Russians (Silayev and Demidov) since there is no guarantee they will ever come over. But there will be several more to choose from.

Edit - I know the Hawks are loaded with young D, but damn, I wonder if the Hawks take Parekh if their forward choices are off the board if they select at 4 or 5. The kid is lighting things up at Saginaw as an offensive defenseman.
- boilermaker100

Yea man! I asked Wiz a couple weeks back if there is a possibility that Parekh could jump up and be the first Dman taken if he stays on his 100 pts pace. And his sample size is not small. Kid scored 20 goals as a 16 yr old in the best jr league on earth last yr, the OHL.

Then add Saginaw is hosting the Memoial Cup this yr so he'll have all the hockey worlds eyes on him on a very big stage. ....... As bad as the Hawks need forwards I'd be just fine if they felt they just couldn't pass up a Levshinov or Parekh.

The race to the bottom currently includes Chicago, San Jose, and Anaheim. Hawks may finish 3rd from last and fall to the 5th pick. Aside from reducing the odds to draft Celebrini, there are others who would be a useful addition to the club.

There seems to be no consensus in the 2-5 picks. That group would include, depending on whose ranking you use, and in no particular order, forwards Lindstrom, Demidov, Eiserman, Catton and D-men Levshunov, Silayev, Dlckinson and Parekh. Not a fan of any Russians (Silayev and Demidov) since there is no guarantee they will ever come over. But there will be several more to choose from.

Edit - I know the Hawks are loaded with young D, but damn, I wonder if the Hawks take Parekh if their forward choices are off the board if they select at 4 or 5. The kid is lighting things up at Saginaw as an offensive defenseman.
- boilermaker100

Don't act like you don't know the draft lottery will be rigged so Chicago wins again.

The best asset we have this year at the TDL is Cap Space - hopefully KD can weaponize it....
- glennjpawlak22

The only way that really pays off is by taking on a bad contract, which usually happens in the off-season (around the draft). That's not to say it can't/won't happen, its just not as common.

At the TDL its more about being the 3rd team involved in retaining salary. The return on this type of involvement usually isn't great, Arizona got a 3rd round pick for retaining salary in the Kane trade.

Comparing Dach and Lindstrom on its face is fair. Both big centers who can skate. But if you dig further the comparison ends with big and can skate as you are pointing out, Wiz.

Dach is a fluid, balanced more classical plus skater. Lindstrom is a different good skater. He has explosion in his feet that Dach does not have. A dynamic/explosive aspect to his skating therefore to his game. .. He's near full speed in 3 steps where it takes 6-7-8 strides for Dach to get to speed.

Lindstrom's hands are more dynamic too as is his shot. He's a quick twitch athlete whereas Dach is not.

And I agree, Dach is more cerebral but Lindstrom has much better compete and plays more physical. ...... A lazy evaluation would be Dach has a higher floor but Lindstrom a higher ceiling.

Reminds me of Vlasic and the 6ft 7in Cossack, Silayev. Vlasic is a beautiful balanced skater, the Cossack has explosion in his feet. The beast is near full speed in a few strides. Easy to see why evaluators salivate over the monster.

And indeed, after Celebrini the hockey world is all over the place. In theory that means opportunity. Like a Cooley or Benson type falling. Add many are scared off by any Russian and there is a real possibility value falls into your lap or to a point you can trade up like I wondered in real time last yr as Benson fell.
- Mr Ricochet

If the Hawks don't draft #1 overall agree that its wide open. RHD Levshunov would be a nice pick-up but so would RW Demidov. Wiz has Demidov at #6, but I've seen him at #2 in other draft rankings.

If the Hawks don't draft #1 overall agree that its wide open. RHD Levshunov would be a nice pick-up but so would RW Demidov. Wiz has Demidov at #6, but I've seen him at #2 in other draft rankings.
- DarthKane

If the Hawks don’t get the first should they use their first pick to select a Russian or go for a safer (non Russian ) pick regardless of best available?

I want all of you to put yourself in Kyle from Chicago's shoes.

You can jump at the first pick,

the second first round pick (currently around #22 TBL),

or the first section of the three in the second,

or if you like, the other one at #50-52 (that they got to allow Philly to select goalie Carson Bjarnason #51 last year).

FOUR different stages of the draft.

A left handed defenseman is on the board and rated highly rated.

You have a surplus of LDs in the system.
(you already know that some are not going to stay and play on your roster.

When do you take that best player available at LD?

Have you enough confidence that the farm prospects are able to fill that need so it can be a lesser priority, or is there room to add one if you feel he can eventually be the high end attacker each team needs one of?


(I didn't read the post above, that was polling on taking Ivan Demidov or LD Anton Silayev but if it was up to me I would have to SO SURE on their immediate impact when and if they arrive, but me thinks you want as much help as you can get at forward that has an arrival time more clear, b/c I would want as much help for Bedard are possible that is guaranteed in the house when they're ready for the bigs.) Both Russian are the best prospect outta there in awhile, but they haven't had KHL success yet. If they were one the CHL where you can let them percolate, play in the AHL, improve, adjust, to me that makes a better all around NHL,player and thinking eventual progress in the KHL gets them to NHL status is pretty presumptive.

If the Hawks don’t get the first should they use their first pick to select a Russian or go for a safer (non Russian ) pick regardless of best available?
- paulr

They take the best player available, period.