Dach #8 and Allen goals, a minor league dman scrub AND Stauber had a goal too! Had to be shot in empty net. They beat the wolves- Wolves not so good this season

Dach #8 and Allen goals, a minor league dman scrub AND Stauber had a goal too! Had to be shot in empty net. They beat the wolves- Wolves not so good this season
- jhawk59

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Good to see you post, Steve. Always good to read an objective counterweight. .... Who has KD rushed and therefore not slotted properly? He has shown with Vlasic and Reichel getting another yr in RKF last yr that he's patient and will slot players properly, no?

My #1 priority going into the yr with the prospects is do no harm. Let the player decide where he belongs by his play not what some arbitrary timeline. If they are overwhelmed in the Bigs send em back to where they belong for development's sake. ...... Do you have an example where you see any of the rostered rookies being overwhelmed?
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks for back and forth. I think they were too stubborn with 55. As fans we will see over the next few seasons if this year was a learning experience for him and his impact increases or if this is all he is and he's just an average guy who doesn't dominate at either end. I believe if 27 is not a top 6 guy he probably should not be in the lineup at all. He's still avoiding the middle of the ice and making blind passes at the blue line. There were times when 46 was with the NHL team but not playing. I know that common wisdom is they "learn by watching from the press box." Silly.

I listen to every word Davidson says and I'm hearing too much "Injury Bad Luck" and not enough, "We need to be better." We will see what he does with the RFA and UFA forwards. Other than Reichel, do Entwistle, Katchouk, Raddysh, and either Johnson come back or has Davidson already made up his mind that his young prospects are going to jump from College/Juniors to the NHL?

If the Hawks had a 28 year old guy on the roster who was close to a point a game and could play with Bedard, I would be happy to see them resign him. I would not worry about years 7 and 8 of the contract. They don't have anyone like that so I am in favor of going out and signing one as a FA. There is no Cap crunch on the horizon and quality will help young players develop. It is fine they are picking top 3 this year, lets hope they don't whiff. Next year I hope they try to become more competitive. 35 more goals in the lineup next season would make a big difference.

You mean like the blind leading the Blind,
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- wiz1901

No, I mean has KK, Vlasic, Phillips, Crevier stagnated or regressed from what we saw in Game 1 thru the game v PIT? ..... Are they getting caved every other game? Are they tentative? Do they look afraid to make a mistake? Do they looked overmatched physically or mentally? Are they getting rag dolled? Have they looked like a deer in headlights?........

And you don't need to sell me on adding a legit top 6 piece in the offseason. Of course there are a lot of variations on what top 6 guys are but adding one would be wise IMO and I'm a believer Kurashev is looking more and more like a probable middle 6 guy, but counting on a healthy Hall for more than 50ish games is asking for trouble.

Thanks for back and forth. I think they were too stubborn with 55. As fans we will see over the next few seasons if this year was a learning experience for him and his impact increases or if this is all he is and he's just an average guy who doesn't dominate at either end. I believe if 27 is not a top 6 guy he probably should not be in the lineup at all. He's still avoiding the middle of the ice and making blind passes at the blue line. There were times when 46 was with the NHL team but not playing. I know that common wisdom is they "learn by watching from the press box." Silly.

I listen to every word Davidson says and I'm hearing too much "Injury Bad Luck" and not enough, "We need to be better." We will see what he does with the RFA and UFA forwards. Other than Reichel, do Entwistle, Katchouk, Raddysh, and either Johnson come back or has Davidson already made up his mind that his young prospects are going to jump from College/Juniors to the NHL?

If the Hawks had a 28 year old guy on the roster who was close to a point a game and could play with Bedard, I would be happy to see them resign him. I would not worry about years 7 and 8 of the contract. They don't have anyone like that so I am in favor of going out and signing one as a FA. There is no Cap crunch on the horizon and quality will help young players develop. It is fine they are picking top 3 this year, lets hope they don't whiff. Next year I hope they try to become more competitive. 35 more goals in the lineup next season would make a big difference.
- stevefrmglencoe

"I listen to every word Davidson says and I'm hearing too much "Injury Bad Luck" and not enough, "We need to be better."

Davidson has to say injuries hurt the team this year because it is accurate. I also like the fact he says "we need to be better" because my takeaway on that is he plans to take steps to improve the team. We will see how it plays out, but I'm guessing there will be personnel changes coming.

Thanks for back and forth. I think they were too stubborn with 55. As fans we will see over the next few seasons if this year was a learning experience for him and his impact increases or if this is all he is and he's just an average guy who doesn't dominate at either end. I believe if 27 is not a top 6 guy he probably should not be in the lineup at all. He's still avoiding the middle of the ice and making blind passes at the blue line. There were times when 46 was with the NHL team but not playing. I know that common wisdom is they "learn by watching from the press box." Silly.

I listen to every word Davidson says and I'm hearing too much "Injury Bad Luck" and not enough, "We need to be better." We will see what he does with the RFA and UFA forwards. Other than Reichel, do Entwistle, Katchouk, Raddysh, and either Johnson come back or has Davidson already made up his mind that his young prospects are going to jump from College/Juniors to the NHL?

If the Hawks had a 28 year old guy on the roster who was close to a point a game and could play with Bedard, I would be happy to see them resign him. I would not worry about years 7 and 8 of the contract. They don't have anyone like that so I am in favor of going out and signing one as a FA. There is no Cap crunch on the horizon and quality will help young players develop. It is fine they are picking top 3 this year, lets hope they don't whiff. Next year I hope they try to become more competitive. 35 more goals in the lineup next season would make a big difference.
- stevefrmglencoe

A lot here, Steve. If next yr looks like this yr then I think your posts this yr will fit next yr...... You can't count last yr as a part of the rebuild per say as it was the teardown yr. This is the first yr of the rebuild in my mind and I was ok with adding Hall, Foligno and Perry and expecting better out of Raddysh and Reichel.

If KD doesn't add to the top 6 or his adds don't help next yr then calling him out would be fair but right now it's too early IMO.

We drove to Sudbury yesterday to see some friends and do some snowmobiling this weekend. Woke up to walk the dog about an hour and an half ago to a brisk -21C or -2F.

Last night we went to the Wolves game against Saginaw. Alex Pharand, a Hawk draft pick played, not much there. Decent size, reasonably good skater, he’ll mix it up along the boards and in front of the net but there’s not much to his game.

There are two guys on Saginaw I wanted to see, Zayne Parekh and Michael Misa who is draft eligible next year.

Parekh is an absolutely incredible skater, good speed, tremendous acceleration, not sure he’s in the McDavid area but fast. More importantly he can play the game at top speed. His stick handling is sublime, at one point he skated toward a defender skating sideways while slipping the puck between his own legs then spinning around and blowing by him. Great shot with a quick release. And his defense was much better than I anticipated. He closes gaps well, he boxes guys out and is adept at using his stick to break up passes. He’s also fine getting involved physically along the boards and in front of the net, that said he’s not a banger.

Misa just turned 17 and hopefully he can fall to the Hawks next year. Reasonable size, very good skater, he is very conscientious defensively in fact I thought he was above average in last night’s game. He stick handles well and he has a very quick release.

Another draft eligible guy on Sudbury, Kieron Walton made a nice end to end rush to score. Huge guy 6’6” over 200 lbs as a 17 year old. Pretty good skater good stick handler, gets involved physically but doesn’t appear that strong.

No, I mean has KK, Vlasic, Phillips, Crevier stagnated or regressed from what we saw in Game 1 thru the game v PIT? ..... Are they getting caved every other game? Are they tentative? Do they look afraid to make a mistake? Do they looked overmatched physically or mentally? Are they getting rag dolled? Have they looked like a deer in headlights?........

And you don't need to sell me on adding a legit top 6 piece in the offseason. Of course there are a lot of variations on what top 6 guys are but adding one would be wise IMO and I'm a believer Kurashev is looking more and more like a probable middle 6 guy, but counting on a healthy Hall for more than 50ish games is asking for trouble.
- Mr Ricochet

From reading this board, I believe that the consensus here(9/10 posters) is that they should add a top 6 this offseason, so we are all pretty much in agreement. Where there’s a disagreement has to do with age of such top 6 addition. I lean towards a younger top 6, however that is a challenge to acquire, so an older top 6 is okay by me on a short term deal. Where I disagree with Steve is that I do not want to see an 8 year deal for a 30 year old, whether they have the cap space or not at this time.

We drove to Sudbury yesterday to see some friends and do some snowmobiling this weekend. Woke up to walk the dog about an hour and an half ago to a brisk -21C or -2F.

Last night we went to the Wolves game against Saginaw. Alex Pharand, a Hawk draft pick played, not much there. Decent size, reasonably good skater, he’ll mix it up along the boards and in front of the net but there’s not much to his game.

There are two guys on Saginaw I wanted to see, Zayne Parekh and Michael Misa who is draft eligible next year.

Parekh is an absolutely incredible skater, good speed, tremendous acceleration, not sure he’s in the McDavid area but fast. More importantly he can play the game at top speed. His stick handling is sublime, at one point he skated toward a defender skating sideways while slipping the puck between his own legs then spinning around and blowing by him. Great shot with a quick release. And his defense was much better than I anticipated. He closes gaps well, he boxes guys out and is adept at using his stick to break up passes. He’s also fine getting involved physically along the boards and in front of the net, that said he’s not a banger.

Misa just turned 17 and hopefully he can fall to the Hawks next year. Reasonable size, very good skater, he is very conscientious defensively in fact I thought he was above average in last night’s game. He stick handles well and he has a very quick release.
- paulr

Before I ruin the post with too many words, one question. Hawks draft 4th and Celebrini, Lindstrom and Eiserman are gone. Do you draft the RIGHT shot, 6ft 185lb Zayne Parekh???

Been watching a good bit of that fantastic Saginaw squad (8 kids already drafted) zeroing in on Parekh. Not ready to say anything definitely but I was talking to a jrs/USHL bud and he asked what I thought. My answer was he much closer to Karlsson/Makar than Boqvist.

21 goals from 50 OHL games as a 17 yr old. 26 goals and 77 pts in 51 games and on pace for 100 pts so far this yr. A Dman! That's nuts.... Is drafting this kid top 5, ahead of some damn fine D prospects, nuts???

Never saw him live but agree with everything you posted about the kid from my viewings. You listed his exceptional traits and I'd add maybe his best is his offensive IQ that looks Karlsson like to me on film. .... It's just film but I agree with you about his defense. It looked fine the periods I saw.

So what's the knock? He's only 6ft tall, his defense ain't good enough? Cuz his skating speed, edge work, shot, IQ, vision, ability to control the pace are all elite or close to it and this right shot Dman is gonna score well over 30 goals and hit 100 pts this yr.

A Karlsson type, a Makar type? If his jrs production carries over to the Bigs he sure is and with his multiple tools his floor is high. .......... Also, hard to believe that Misa is 17. Kid is the goods.

And your reports on what you see around the OHL is very very helpful.

From reading this board, I believe that the consensus here(9/10 posters) is that they should add a top 6 this offseason, so we are all pretty much in agreement. Where there’s a disagreement has to do with age of such top 6 addition. I lean towards a younger top 6, however that is a challenge to acquire, so an older top 6 is okay by me on a short term deal. Where I disagree with Steve is that I do not want to see an 8 year deal for a 30 year old, whether they have the cap space or not at this time.
- Angotti

I'm in the same place. Besides, i believe it was the Blackhawks canceled game in Buffalo, watching tnt, biz and the crew were talking about Reinhart and how he trained really hard in the offseason and is taking care of himself nutritionally, he's doing it right because he's going to be a FA this year? Is that a guy we really want to sign long term who'll be 29 this year to an 8 year deal? You probably resetv the FA market which will hurt you down the road. Sign and over pay someone like Stamkos to a 2-3 year deal please.

No, I mean has KK, Vlasic, Phillips, Crevier stagnated or regressed from what we saw in Game 1 thru the game v PIT? ..... Are they getting caved every other game? Are they tentative? Do they look afraid to make a mistake? Do they looked overmatched physically or mentally? Are they getting rag dolled? Have they looked like a deer in headlights?........

And you don't need to sell me on adding a legit top 6 piece in the offseason. Of course there are a lot of variations on what top 6 guys are but adding one would be wise IMO and I'm a believer Kurashev is looking more and more like a probable middle 6 guy, but counting on a healthy Hall for more than 50ish games is asking for trouble.
- Mr Ricochet

My bad, as I thought you were talking forward contingent.

I think it is invaluable backline min Utes against current NHLers so they all learn a LOT, and once each one internalizes, and draws on improvements they build confidence.

From reading this board, I believe that the consensus here(9/10 posters) is that they should add a top 6 this offseason, so we are all pretty much in agreement. Where there’s a disagreement has to do with age of such top 6 addition. I lean towards a younger top 6, however that is a challenge to acquire, so an older top 6 is okay by me on a short term deal. Where I disagree with Steve is that I do not want to see an 8 year deal for a 30 year old, whether they have the cap space or not at this time.
- Angotti

Timing is everything especially concerning the cap. I get Steve saying "cap concerns" are probably 5 yrs away so why not add a real top 6 guy now who's contract ends then? ..... Makes sense if it is indeed that simple.

With that kinda wiggle room and seemingly 90% of the league with some kinda cap trouble, and the Hawks with tons of picks, I could see a cap dump like Pacioretty was a couple yrs back. A strategic FA signing? I very much like Stephenson as a legit 2C. A top 40 draft pick for a legit top/middle 6 problematic for his team RFA?

I'm not a fan of giving out huge contracts with term for anyone over 27-28, yet. To me that's a final piece kinda thing when the time comes to push all your chips in and make some real runs.

I'm in the same place. Besides, i believe it was the Blackhawks canceled game in Buffalo, watching tnt, biz and the crew were talking about Reinhart and how he trained really hard in the offseason and is taking care of himself nutritionally, he's doing it right because he's going to be a FA this year? Is that a guy we really want to sign long term who'll be 29 this year to an 8 year deal? You probably resetv the FA market which will hurt you down the road. Sign and over pay someone like Stamkos to a 2-3 year deal please.
- BetweenTheDots

Reinhardt will be cheaper, and Stammer probably stays at a discount (if he able to fit), and I doubt Reinhardt trained for money, but b/c the Panthers felt so close to a Cup, I bet most rededicated so this season might led to a win there, so I have a bit of trouble he is doing it for a contract.
These guys are already doing well, Reinhardt at $6.5 this year, so he knows his next one is the last big one. (That starts another discussion as at 29 there seems to be two ways top players careers go, downhill or with extensive work to not lose a step on the other end, could I be incorrect to assume he simply is trying g to be in the latter category?
My approval of THIS MOVE was more the idea, not the player.
Bedard plays that right side more than anywhere, spending time elsewhere but there is a bit of ease for him on the right side of the attack zone (but he can make plays and is on then move so much form the other parts too.)
As a RW Reinhart it might not be the best fit.
Same goes for my own suggestion of Jordan Eberle, although he is a RW who has seen off hand Left wing a bit.

The concept is the one I agree with-a tools passes who is above average at reading Bedard and getting to where he is going to attempt the pass.
Pay for another scoring / passer who is not necessarily a top player but a darn good forward who can do what I describe.
It isn't an easy find in UFAs, but I agree to strike now with cash IF you can get that guy. add another option so the kid can emerge himself in a new project of playing with that new toy, so he doesn't start rolling his eyes at his lines miscues when he plates them chances.

Is this gonna be the last post, before you Ottawa Chicago us?

My bad, as I thought you were talking forward contingent.

I think it is invaluable backline min Utes against current NHLers so they all learn a LOT, and once each one internalizes, and draws on improvements they build confidence.
- wiz1901

Wiz, Celebrini, Lindstrom and Eiserman are gone and the Hawks draft 4th. Would you take Zayne Parekh?

You mean like the blind leading the Blind, because every mishandle, or lack of a quick strike hurts the team's development...oh, it might not damage pysche s but the more 5 man groups can string passes in their breakouts and continue to pass good passes and teammates are handling them, that build a player's game and probably the confidence of the 5 man uint.

I just don't see a cohesive unit(s) and that's why I am with Steve that you bring in a vet or two especially so Bedard isn't continually embarrassed by the play around him.

I try to stay positive and do expect improvement offensively as the entire team defense has risen to be solid in their "unit play."

I am less confident the current cast including the injured are enough to improve next year's standing, and you know I love me some early draft picks but not sure Bedsy will see that way.
- wiz1901

That isn't unimportant.

Wiz, Celebrini, Lindstrom and Eiserman are gone and the Hawks draft 4th. Would you take Zayne Parekh?
- Mr Ricochet

If the Hawks walk away with Celebrini or Eiserman from the 2024 draft it will be a huge win for the franchise.

Thanks for back and forth. I think they were too stubborn with 55. As fans we will see over the next few seasons if this year was a learning experience for him and his impact increases or if this is all he is and he's just an average guy who doesn't dominate at either end. I believe if 27 is not a top 6 guy he probably should not be in the lineup at all. He's still avoiding the middle of the ice and making blind passes at the blue line. There were times when 46 was with the NHL team but not playing. I know that common wisdom is they "learn by watching from the press box." Silly.

I listen to every word Davidson says and I'm hearing too much "Injury Bad Luck" and not enough, "We need to be better." We will see what he does with the RFA and UFA forwards. Other than Reichel, do Entwistle, Katchouk, Raddysh, and either Johnson come back or has Davidson already made up his mind that his young prospects are going to jump from College/Juniors to the NHL?

If the Hawks had a 28 year old guy on the roster who was close to a point a game and could play with Bedard, I would be happy to see them resign him. I would not worry about years 7 and 8 of the contract. They don't have anyone like that so I am in favor of going out and signing one as a FA. There is no Cap crunch on the horizon and quality will help young players develop. It is fine they are picking top 3 this year, let's hope they don't whiff. Next year I hope they try to become more competitive. 35 more goals in the lineup next season would make a big difference.
- stevefrmglencoe

In two years they're going to have to pay Bedard a huge pile of money so it's not like they can spend too frivolously or not be worried about years 7 or 8 in a contract.

They should definitely try to bring in someone to help with the scoring but they should be somewhat cautious in who that is. And it doesn't necessarily need to be a PPG player. At this stage a few guys who aren't on the AHL team of a respectable club, which at this point is probably 6 or 7 forwards (half of them woof) would be just as helpful.

Reinhardt will be cheaper, and Stammer probably stays at a discount (if he able to fit), and I doubt Reinhardt trained for money, but b/c the Panthers felt so close to a Cup, I bet most rededicated so this season might led to a win there, so I have a bit of trouble he is doing it for a contract.
These guys are already doing well, Reinhardt at $6.5 this year, so he knows his next one is the last big one. (That starts another discussion as at 29 there seems to be two ways top players careers go, downhill or with extensive work to not lose a step on the other end, could I be incorrect to assume he simply is trying g to be in the latter category?
My approval of THIS MOVE was more the idea, not the player.
Bedard plays that right side more than anywhere, spending time elsewhere but there is a bit of ease for him on the right side of the attack zone (but he can make plays and is on then move so much form the other parts too.)
As a RW Reinhart it might not be the best fit.
Same goes for my own suggestion of Jordan Eberle, although he is a RW who has seen off hand Left wing a bit.

The concept is the one I agree with-a tools passes who is above average at reading Bedard and getting to where he is going to attempt the pass.
Pay for another scoring / passer who is not necessarily a top player but a darn good forward who can do what I describe.
It isn't an easy find in UFAs, but I agree to strike now with cash IF you can get that guy. add another option so the kid can emerge himself in a new project of playing with that new toy, so he doesn't start rolling his eyes at his lines miscues when he plates them chances.

Is this gonna be the last post, before you Ottawa Chicago us?
- wiz1901

importance there can't be understated

From reading this board, I believe that the consensus here(9/10 posters) is that they should add a top 6 this offseason, so we are all pretty much in agreement. Where there’s a disagreement has to do with age of such top 6 addition. I lean towards a younger top 6, however that is a challenge to acquire, so an older top 6 is okay by me on a short term deal. Where I disagree with Steve is that I do not want to see an 8 year deal for a 30 year old, whether they have the cap space or not at this time.
- Angotti

The Hawks have enough Cap flexibility to pay someone 8 years of salary in 6 years with the Davidson $3 million overpay precedent.

Reinhart is an example of someone I think would look good with Bedard. The 24 crop is thin.

After next season, Marner, Rantenen, Draisatl, Ekblad, Boeser, Ehlers, Theodore, Chychrun, Bennet, Verhaghe, and others are all UFAs as of now.

No reason to overlook signing proven NHL players as Free Agents.

If the Hawks walk away with Celebrini or Eiserman from the 2024 draft it will be a huge win for the franchise.
- DarthKane

Or Lindstrom? ...... The more I watch the CHL there are a handful of possible top pairing Dmen. The Sam D!ckenson kid is reminding me a bit of Weber but is a truly elite skater.

As hard as it would be to pass on some of these Dmen this yr I still have my top 3 of Celebrini, Lindstrom and Eiserman. .... Hope it doesn't happen but man, if the Hawks draft #4 and those 3 are gone it will be a damn interesting pick.

Or Lindstrom? ...... The more I watch the CHL there are a handful of possible top pairing Dmen. The Sam D!ckenson kid is reminding me a bit of Weber but is a truly elite skater.

As hard as it would be to pass on some of these Dmen this yr I still have my top 3 of Celebrini, Lindstrom and Eiserman. .... Hope it doesn't happen but man, if the Hawks draft #4 and those 3 are gone it will be a damn interesting pick.
- Mr Ricochet

It seems that picks #2 - #7 are all close in quality/potential, so the Hawks will get a very good prospect no matter who they select.

The Hawks need goal scoring, that’s why I’m leaning towards Eiserman or Demidov.

I like Hage with Tampa’s pick, or Jircek if he’s available.

Reinhardt will be cheaper, and Stammer probably stays at a discount (if he able to fit), and I doubt Reinhardt trained for money, but b/c the Panthers felt so close to a Cup, I bet most rededicated so this season might led to a win there, so I have a bit of trouble he is doing it for a contract.
These guys are already doing well, Reinhardt at $6.5 this year, so he knows his next one is the last big one. (That starts another discussion as at 29 there seems to be two ways top players careers go, downhill or with extensive work to not lose a step on the other end, could I be incorrect to assume he simply is trying g to be in the latter category?
My approval of THIS MOVE was more the idea, not the player.
Bedard plays that right side more than anywhere, spending time elsewhere but there is a bit of ease for him on the right side of the attack zone (but he can make plays and is on then move so much form the other parts too.)
As a RW Reinhart it might not be the best fit.
Same goes for my own suggestion of Jordan Eberle, although he is a RW who has seen off hand Left wing a bit.

The concept is the one I agree with-a tools passes who is above average at reading Bedard and getting to where he is going to attempt the pass.
Pay for another scoring / passer who is not necessarily a top player but a darn good forward who can do what I describe.
It isn't an easy find in UFAs, but I agree to strike now with cash IF you can get that guy. add another option so the kid can emerge himself in a new project of playing with that new toy, so he doesn't start rolling his eyes at his lines miscues when he plates them chances.

Is this gonna be the last post, before you Ottawa Chicago us?
- wiz1901

You think so, we'll see but i imagine 30+ goal scorer 3 years in a row hits the FA market, I'm guessing he makes over $10 mil per? I'm guessing more like Nylander money if the Blackhawks want him. If he produces like Panarin great when he signed with the Rangers but man that contract would suck if he doesn't.

Over $20 mil tied up in Reinhart and Seth Jones, 2.5 years Bedard at $13 per, 3 players $33 mil salary cap at $90ish mil, so a third of the salary cap to 3 guys, don't even know what we have in Korch yet, the offense is there and it's starting to show, all i know is KD better be right.

From reading this board, I believe that the consensus here(9/10 posters) is that they should add a top 6 this offseason, so we are all pretty much in agreement. Where there’s a disagreement has to do with age of such top 6 addition. I lean towards a younger top 6, however that is a challenge to acquire, so an older top 6 is okay by me on a short term deal. Where I disagree with Steve is that I do not want to see an 8 year deal for a 30 year old, whether they have the cap space or not at this time.
- Angotti

Generally agree. But what if a 2009 Hossa was available? That worked out well.