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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 26 @ 5:21 PM ET
Hopefully he is not what is known in baseball circles as a AAAA player. A kid that can dominate the minors but not make it at the major league level.

I think Reichel will be ok. I think he is still a young kid who expects early success this season based on last year, and when it didn't come he lost all confidence and could never dig out of the hole. Hopefully the time back in Rockford "re-boots" him.

- TheTrob


In four games, he is shooting at a slightly higher clip than in the NHL. I've got no problem with a QO and see if he can pull himself out of it. If he gets back to being that player we saw at the end of last year, the Hawks will have a nice find.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 26 @ 5:21 PM ET
Well i would think Taylor hall was supposed to be that guy. That obviously didn't happen. Do they roll the dice and hope in contract year at the age of 33 he's hell bent on proving he's healthy to cash in the summer of 2025 for 1 last deal?

Cap going up didn't help the hawks from potentially signing or trading for a guy who could help bedard AND weaponize their cap space.

I also have zero clue if any kid who may be picked 1-3 can play in the NHL next year and not be out of place.

This team is going to need a lot still......and that's before you even get an evaluation on these younger kids NOT NHL ready quite yet....Rinzel, Nazar, Moore, etc.....but man the skill difference between 98 and 23 or 91 is night and day and plays and spots he goes to and/or expects his linemates to go because they aren't wired that way.....is going to grind on this kid as this year wraps up.

- SteveRain


I guess everyone is misreading my sarcasm meter today.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:21 PM ET
Rather resign him than Reese Johnson, Entwhistle, Katchook
- LAHawk


Raddyish looks like he has ZERO confidence. Had a two on 1 last night and just flat out whiffed and damn near fell down. Felt embarrassed for him.

i like Entswhistle. He hustles, wins battles, and seems to be a solid bottom guy. Katchouk (spell) if they can get the guy during that NJ stretch where he would dominate shifts based on pure hustle and winning almost every 50/50 player he could be a great asset to flip. Issue is, he seems to be highly inconsistent.

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 26 @ 5:23 PM ET
Rather resign him than Reese Johnson, Entwhistle, Katchook
- LAHawk


I predict none of these names (including Raddysh) will be on the Hawks next year (outside chance at the bass player).
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 26 @ 5:24 PM ET
Raddyish looks like he has ZERO confidence. Had a two on 1 last night and just flat out whiffed and damn near fell down. Felt embarrassed for him.

i like Entswhistle. He hustles, wins battles, and seems to be a solid bottom guy. Katchouk (spell) if they can get the guy during that NJ stretch where he would dominate shifts based on pure hustle and winning almost every 50/50 player he could be a great asset to flip. Issue is, he seems to be highly inconsistent.

- SteveRain


He looked like a fool on Detroit's first goal, though he did hustle. He has less hockey sense than Jones.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 26 @ 5:25 PM ET



I'm also going to belabor the point on the OT goal. Sure Bedard didn't get back, but he and Kurashev were already parked on either side of the goal line when Jones made the decision to skate in (which he did slowly). Either Jones has to pass that off, or make a much more aggressive move. He basically turned the situation into either I score or DET does (at least the way I saw it).

- Chunk


Guess I see it differently. You want Jones to ignore 25 ft of a wide open path to the goalie as the Wing smartly took away the pass to Bedard? As bad as Jones' hands are you want him to slide it to Bedard thru a Wing's stick? ..... Bedard did not SEE that when Jones moved into the high slot he wasn't passing and with Kurashev parked at the post he alone was the last person to prevent a pass to Kane and a breakaway?

Look at the kid when the pass hits Kane. He's so tired from being out over 1:30 in a 3 on 3 OT he can barely lift his arm up to tell the bench to get a player out to engage Kane, this while he's 70 ft from the bench?????

No, I disagree with the 99% of Hawk's fans who blame Jones and not Bedard. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=920
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:26 PM ET
Hopefully he is not what is known in baseball circles as a AAAA player. A kid that can dominate the minors but not make it at the major league level.

I think Reichel will be ok. I think he is still a young kid who expects early success this season based on last year, and when it didn't come he lost all confidence and could never dig out of the hole. Hopefully the time back in Rockford "re-boots" him.

- TheTrob


First 11 games 2 years ago.....nothing

Next 23 games last year......very encouraging

50 games this year......highly disappointing. Seems they tried him in different spots to ignite him and Richardson ran out of moves and back to the Rock he went.

No problem minimum QO....just hope he figures it out and gets some success because it would be nice to have an answer there either way and be able to flip him and find your Versteeg or Sharp if he Reichel is the next Ellison or Bochenski.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:31 PM ET
Raddyish looks like he has ZERO confidence. Had a two on 1 last night and just flat out whiffed and damn near fell down. Felt embarrassed for him.

i like Entswhistle. He hustles, wins battles, and seems to be a solid bottom guy. Katchouk (spell) if they can get the guy during that NJ stretch where he would dominate shifts based on pure hustle and winning almost every 50/50 player he could be a great asset to flip. Issue is, he seems to be highly inconsistent.

- SteveRain


I think a lot of these guys just lost confidence and there is just not enough talent around them to help them out of it.

Reality is that the Hawks have a whole bunch of dime a dozen guys, R. Johnson, Katchouk, Entwhistle, Blackwell, Sanford, Guttman, Seney even Donato and Anderson. Some are a little better, some a little less skilled, but none of them really make a difference. They can be replaced with dozens of other guys who will produce about the same.

Blackwell has had a nice couple of games recently, but don't mistake him for the next coming of Hagel. Maybe he gets moved, but hes never gonna get much more than the $1.2m he ismaking now.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 26 @ 5:32 PM ET
Guess I see it differently. You want Jones to ignore 25 ft of a wide open path to the goalie as the Wing smartly took away the pass to Bedard? As bad as Jones' hands are you want him to slide it to Bedard thru a Wing's stick? ..... Bedard did not SEE that when Jones moved into the high slot he wasn't passing and with Kurashev parked at the post he alone was the last person to prevent a pass to Kane and a breakaway?

Look at the kid when the pass hits Kane. He's so tired from being out over 1:30 in a 3 on 3 OT he can barely lift his arm up to tell the bench to get a player out to engage Kane, this while he's 70 ft from the bench?????

No, I disagree with the 99% of Hawk's fans who blame Jones and not Bedard. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=920

- Mr Ricochet


Kurashev and Bedard did Jones no favors by positioning themselves in not optimal shooting positions, more like a practice and see who can score from the more ridiculous angle.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Feb 26 @ 5:33 PM ET
Guess I see it differently. You want Jones to ignore 25 ft of a wide open path to the goalie as the Wing smartly took away the pass to Bedard? As bad as Jones' hands are you want him to slide it to Bedard thru a Wing's stick? ..... Bedard did not SEE that when Jones moved into the high slot he wasn't passing and with Kurashev parked at the post he alone was the last person to prevent a pass to Kane and a breakaway?

Look at the kid when the pass hits Kane. He's so tired from being out over 1:30 in a 3 on 3 OT he can barely lift his arm up to tell the bench to get a player out to engage Kane, this while he's 70 ft from the bench?????

No, I disagree with the 99% of Hawk's fans who blame Jones and not Bedard. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=920

- Mr Ricochet


It's a crap play all around. I'm not completely absolving Bedard, but If both of your forwards are by the goal line (and Bedard was opened up for a one-timer) by taking it to the net, it becomes either he scores or its going the other way uncontested.

I would say the smarter play would be to either circle back or pass it off. Kane was so far away that it wouldn't have mattered if Bedard switched with Jones anyway. Kane was beyond the blue line when Jones takes the shot.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:34 PM ET
Guess I see it differently. You want Jones to ignore 25 ft of a wide open path to the goalie as the Wing smartly took away the pass to Bedard? As bad as Jones' hands are you want him to slide it to Bedard thru a Wing's stick? ..... Bedard did not SEE that when Jones moved into the high slot he wasn't passing and with Kurashev parked at the post he alone was the last person to prevent a pass to Kane and a breakaway?

Look at the kid when the pass hits Kane. He's so tired from being out over 1:30 in a 3 on 3 OT he can barely lift his arm up to tell the bench to get a player out to engage Kane, this while he's 70 ft from the bench?????

No, I disagree with the 99% of Hawk's fans who blame Jones and not Bedard. https://frozenpool.dobber...&game_type=R&game_num=920

- Mr Ricochet


Eh....nobody is 100% not to blame there....but go back and watch the entirety of the OT. Jones had a chance before that he walked in down the slot and couldn't put it past Reimer.

He had a chance to do 1 of 2 things.....he could have slid it over to bedard for a 1 timer with a chance it gets broken up.....above average skilled D men attempt that play.

OR

He could have passed it down to a Wide open Kurashev and either he takes it to the net or he recycles and resets the zone.....

Instead he shot it right into Reimer's crest from 2 feet away, crashes the net and gets the rebound and does the same thing....and then DeBrincat outmuscles Kurashev for 50/50 pick.

All 3 were out there the entire OT.....wasn't like Jones and Kurashev were fresh.

Jones decided he was going to win that game....and he didn't...again....and if you want to call out an 18 yr old kid for being selfish, and wouldn't be wrong, then what say you about a 29 supposed leader who has 774 games in the league?

Guy is going to be here and may go down as 1 of the worst trades in history based on his contract alone and what this team gets out of him night in and night out and god only knows what BS cliches he says without a damn thing in the league to back it up....Imaging being Korchinski getting scalded in the video room and then clips of Jones go and nothing is addressed or his ice time isn't limited because of the same mistakes.....think that sets a good culture to learn in?

Again...he's freaking Boris Mironov. Maybe he'll start blowing himself up like Murphy and they can LTIR him.........
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:36 PM ET
It's a crap play all around. I'm not completely absolving Bedard, but If both of your forwards are by the goal line (and Bedard was opened up for a one-timer) by taking it to the net, it becomes either he scores or its going the other way uncontested.

I would say the smarter play would be to either circle back or pass it off. Kane was so far away that it wouldn't have mattered if Bedard switched with Jones anyway. Kane was beyond the blue line when Jones takes the shot.

- Chunk



Thank you!

Kane was coasting and not even trying to get down when Jones takes his first shot.

Only outcome Hawks had was either a goal, recycle OR a frozen puck/puck out of the zone.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 26 @ 5:42 PM ET
Eh....nobody is 100% not to blame there....but go back and watch the entirety of the OT. Jones had a chance before that he walked in down the slot and couldn't put it past Reimer.

He had a chance to do 1 of 2 things.....he could have slid it over to bedard for a 1 timer with a chance it gets broken up.....above average skilled D men attempt that play.

OR

He could have passed it down to a Wide open Kurashev and either he takes it to the net or he recycles and resets the zone.....

Instead he shot it right into Reimer's crest from 2 feet away, crashes the net and gets the rebound and does the same thing....and then DeBrincat outmuscles Kurashev for 50/50 pick.

All 3 were out there the entire OT.....wasn't like Jones and Kurashev were fresh.

Jones decided he was going to win that game....and he didn't...again....and if you want to call out an 18 yr old kid for being selfish, and wouldn't be wrong, then what say you about a 29 supposed leader who has 774 games in the league?

Guy is going to be here and may go down as 1 of the worst trades in history based on his contract alone and what this team gets out of him night in and night out and god only knows what BS cliches he says without a damn thing in the league to back it up....Imaging being Korchinski getting scalded in the video room and then clips of Jones go and nothing is addressed or his ice time isn't limited because of the same mistakes.....think that sets a good culture to learn in?

Again...he's freaking Boris Mironov. Maybe he'll start blowing himself up like Murphy and they can LTIR him.........

- SteveRain


Rainer, you and I have been on the same page about Jones for a while.

Look, if your Makar, Josi, Karlsson, Fox, Dahlin, Doughty, Burns or about 20 other defensemen in the league you see that opportunity and take the chance and probably succeed more than 50% of the time. If your S.Jones or the like, give the puck to a forward.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Feb 26 @ 5:46 PM ET
I predict none of these names (including Raddysh) will be on the Hawks next year (outside chance at the bass player).
- Chunk

Entwistle is baffling. He has a solid game where he’s physical, plays hard along the boards and in front of the net. Then for the next few games he doesn’t get engaged in the play at all?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 26 @ 6:07 PM ET
I am more concerned what Reichel's next deal is....not my money but over the course of 3 seasons which totals over a little over a year you have 10 goals and 26 points.

I mean is this the next Marty St Pierre where he dominates the AHL level but can't get the light to go on in the show?

- SteveRain


Dylan Sikura 2.0, my friend.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Feb 26 @ 6:30 PM ET
Dylan Sikura 2.0, my friend.
- mohel


That's an insult to Sikura.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 7:23 PM ET
Dylan Sikura 2.0, my friend.
- mohel



SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Feb 26 @ 7:28 PM ET
Rainer, you and I have been on the same page about Jones for a while.

Look, if your Makar, Josi, Karlsson, Fox, Dahlin, Doughty, Burns or about 20 other defensemen in the league you see that opportunity and take the chance and probably succeed more than 50% of the time. If your S.Jones or the like, give the puck to a forward.

- TheTrob



I just don't get the constant defending of him at this point. Just puzzles me. Is he overpaid? yes. Does he suck? Does that mean I am supposed to sit here and accept him and watch him until at worst his deal pans out? I freaking hope not. Dude gets a very uncomfortable amount of boos during introductions. That can't go unnoticed by him, his teammates, coaches, anyone who isn't deaf inside the UC.

Just ship him out and take what you can...in 2 years. by that time god willing the window to start competing is closer and it's a lot easier taking a 4.75 million cap hit and moving in a trade (retaining half)....that's before you look at buying him out.

I am not naive to think Bowman acted alone here, but good lord what an all time horrible deal.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 26 @ 7:35 PM ET
He looked like a fool on Detroit's first goal, though he did hustle. He has less hockey sense than Jones.
- LAHawk


Interesting, LA. I'd bet Entwhistle is in the Hawk's top 5 getting loose and in alone on the goalie, and that's with 10-12 minutes per night.... You don't do that without a decent feel for the play/flow.

Every once in awhile I let myself think Entwhistle might become a kinda Hathaway player. 25 pts, 200 hits, 75 PIM, good size to throw around and drop em 5-6-7 times a yr.

LA @ EDM tonight. Last few King's games I saw PLD was in beast mode. Imposing his will and there ain't jack you can do about it. This from being invisible up until then. ..... Should be a helluva tilt tonight.

Oh yea LA, how's that Philly rebuild lookin?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 26 @ 7:43 PM ET
Interesting, LA. I'd bet Entwhistle is in the Hawk's top 5 getting loose and in alone on the goalie, and that's with 10-12 minutes per night.... You don't do that without a decent feel for the play/flow.

Every once in awhile I let myself think Entwhistle might become a kinda Hathaway player. 25 pts, 200 hits, 75 PIM, good size to throw around and drop em 5-6-7 times a yr.


LA @ EDM tonight. Last few King's games I saw PLD was in beast mode. Imposing his will and there ain't jack you can do about it. This from being invisible up until then. ..... Should be a helluva tilt tonight.

Oh yea LA, how's that Philly rebuild lookin?

- Mr Ricochet


Drysdale on the shelf again, might decide to keep Walker/Seeler than to ship them out, depends on what is offered

Outside of no scoring touch whatsoever, Reese Johnson is a more effective player than Entwhistle is.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 26 @ 7:52 PM ET
Eh....nobody is 100% not to blame there....but go back and watch the entirety of the OT. Jones had a chance before that he walked in down the slot and couldn't put it past Reimer.

He had a chance to do 1 of 2 things.....he could have slid it over to bedard for a 1 timer with a chance it gets broken up.....above average skilled D men attempt that play.

OR

He could have passed it down to a Wide open Kurashev and either he takes it to the net or he recycles and resets the zone.....

Instead he shot it right into Reimer's crest from 2 feet away, crashes the net and gets the rebound and does the same thing....and then DeBrincat outmuscles Kurashev for 50/50 pick.

All 3 were out there the entire OT.....wasn't like Jones and Kurashev were fresh.

Jones decided he was going to win that game....and he didn't...again....and if you want to call out an 18 yr old kid for being selfish, and wouldn't be wrong, then what say you about a 29 supposed leader who has 774 games in the league?

Guy is going to be here and may go down as 1 of the worst trades in history based on his contract alone and what this team gets out of him night in and night out and god only knows what BS cliches he says without a damn thing in the league to back it up....Imaging being Korchinski getting scalded in the video room and then clips of Jones go and nothing is addressed or his ice time isn't limited because of the same mistakes.....think that sets a good culture to learn in?

Again...he's freaking Boris Mironov. Maybe he'll start blowing himself up like Murphy and they can LTIR him.........

- SteveRain


My last post on this play.

1. And neither Kurashev or Jones went to the bench to get a new stick 1:00 into their shift.

2. Any primate who's played with Bedard knows damn well he ain't gettin back, that's where Jones' lack of awareness comes in. ...... But, after 775 NHL games, or 2, I expect any player, not on the ice with Bedard, to take the wide open clear path to the net that was given to him, especially when BOTH Wing sticks were in the path to Bedard (if a pass to Bedard there gets picked it's a THREE on 0 not a 1 on 0) as they cheated over to his side to clog the passing lane.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 26 @ 7:56 PM ET
Drysdale on the shelf again, might decide to keep Walker/Seeler than to ship them out, depends on what is offered

Outside of no scoring touch whatsoever, Reese Johnson is a more effective player than Entwhistle is.

- LAHawk


So you watched the Philly game yesterday? My God did I miss on Petersen. Been long enough to get out of the funk he was in. Dude looks like he is a certifiable bum. .. And it looks like more bad evaluating on my part. Didn't see Tippet ever becoming a player who mattered.

So you're diggin Johnson cuz he's had a solid 3 game stretch?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 26 @ 8:14 PM ET
So you watched the Philly game yesterday? My God did I miss on Petersen. Been long enough to get out of the funk he was in. Dude looks like he is a certifiable bum. .. And it looks like more bad evaluating on my part. Didn't see Tippet ever becoming a player who mattered.

So you're diggin Johnson cuz he's had a solid 3 game stretch?

- Mr Ricochet


Always takes the body, Can kill penalties, plays within himself, basically a 12th/13th forward. Ryan Carpenter has played close to 400 nhl games being that.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Feb 26 @ 11:17 PM ET
Didn't mean to imply loose was yours. I merely said I saw it because you had mentioned it earlier. I am good with whatever you write. You are the master.
- bjphawkfan


..,like in baiter?

Thanks!

I put more profiles up.

Now I am stretching when the negatives are more obvious than the positives.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Feb 26 @ 11:23 PM ET
I think Stan Bowman acquiring Seth Jones was all about munching minutes, and know the cupboard was bare and did not contain any semblance of Stanley Cup glory days trio that as going bye bye..

They knew there was a stretch and a position that was true need and the paid out the wazzoo with less results than Stan expected.
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