Cheli jersey a Nike? Ccm? Starter?
- captainserious

A made in Canada Black Nike Jersey, full embroidered patches, fight strap, etc.

I have an original Starter jacket from back then too.

So does KFC have the cajones of Guerin and just buys him out ?
- LAHawk

I just looked at the buyout breakdown. It's cheaper for the first two years, then you have four expensive years before there are a bunch of cheap years. So they get savings when they don't need them, and they are paying up when they will likely need every bit of cap space. https://www.capfriendly.c...out-calculator/seth-jones

Right now they need his cap hit for the purposes of staying above the floor. And they need him to eat those minutes every night while the kids figure it out. They'd be better off dealing him for future considerations and retaining half if they are going to move him, money wise. If he's really a second pair guy, then that's all the next team has to pay him if they take him at half price. I know, the real trick is making the money work in a league where so many teams are up against the cap.

Edit: I missed your post that Chunk just quoted, my bad.

To satisfy the mob.

Actually his cap hit during the years he is contracted for is less, and the cap hit in future years is only $1.5 Mil., so not at all the same situation as the Wild.

https://puckpedia.com/player/seth-jones/buyout

But I agree with you as it currently stands with all his warts, he is still the Hawks best defenseman, and keeps Vlasic and KK shielded from duty that would probably overwhelm them right now.
- LAHawk

I hear you, but I still don't get the point. You now have a huge cap charge for six more years (the first two years wouldn't be bad, but the big hit comes right as you are supposed to be competitive) AND a roster hole to plug, instead of just keeping an overpriced player on the squad. Additionally, you are carrying that $1.5M for six years beyond that into 2035-36, and we all know how tight teams get to the cap when they are supposed to be competitive. Worst case scenario, you find a way to trade him.

I just looked at the buyout breakdown. It's cheaper for the first few years, then you have four expensive years before there are a bunch of cheap years. So they get savings when they don't need them, and they are paying up when they will likely need every bit of cap space. https://www.capfriendly.c...out-calculator/seth-jones

Right now they need his cap hit for the purposes of staying above the floor. And they need him to eat those minutes every night while the kids figure it out. They'd be better off dealing him for future considerations and retaining half if they are going to move him, money wise. If he's really a second pair guy, then that's all the next team has to pay him if they take him at half price. I know, the real trick is making the money work in a league where so many teams are up against the cap.
- 333inthe3rd

Hawks could always trade him for Vlasic's cousin from San Jose. Bad contract for bad contract? If Greer was able to move Karlsson and only retain $1.5 mil., why can't KFC be just as resourceful?

Hawks could always trade him for Vlasic's cousin from San Jose. Bad contract for bad contract? If Greer was able to move Karlsson and only retain $1.5 mil., why can't KFC be just as resourceful?
- LAHawk

Karlsson has an easier buyout schedule: https://www.capfriendly.c...-calculator/erik-karlsson

Edit: And Vlasic's buyout schedule: https://www.capfriendly.c...lator/marc-edouard-vlasic

Beauvillier had some jump last night, might think about re-signing him for one year and start him in the bottom 6 - he could fill in top 6 if there is the seemingly inevitable Hall injury. Could be part of the needed depth that is just not there this year due to all the injuries.
- totem

Totem, remember when KD acquired Beaullivier they gave him a handful of games with Bedard then back down to the bottom 6? .... A nice swing by KD for this roster IMO. He is a plus skater, top 6 hands, an excellent work rate but he just never put it all together.

Hawks could always trade him for Vlasic's cousin from San Jose. Bad contract for bad contract? If Greer was able to move Karlsson and only retain $1.5 mil., why can't KFC be just as resourceful?
- LAHawk

Because Karlsson was open to waiving his NMC clause to go to Pittsburgh because the situation was better than in San Jose? Unless there is a scenario for Jones to agree to a moved to another team it’s unlikely. It’s unlikely Jones agrees to go to a team trying to get a contract to get to the cap floor. That contract dump for San Jose was the right circumstance and luck. I know you’re not a KFC fan but you have to be fair.

With 4 though - losing him wouldn't be about the money- leastwise I wouldn't think it would be - not as much as losing an awful example of play.

I mean you guys really nailed it. I didn't actually get a chance to watch the OT - I ought to go look for it - but even just the maybe 45 secs or so of Kane scoring video shows everyone on the ice on or about the goal line ... everyone but Kane. Once the puck gets by that (and it was going to be difficult/impossible for that not to happen) - it's basically academic.

I thought I saw Kane glance behind him - he knew he had all day - a guy like that with time, there's generally one result... just like in the old days where he wore the Indian head.

-In other words, KFC - feel free to launch Seth, please.

I think Vlasic is the best defensively and easily looks the most comfortable on the ice right now... in his own zone. The second he crosses center ice (especially with the puck on his stick) he has no clue what to do.

Jones is not great at anything. He's a "good" defenseman that is overpaid, overplayed and has a spotlight on him that magnifies any mistake because of those facts. He makes just as many good plays as bad. That's not forgiving the bad plays, but he's not all garbage as some here say.

He won't raise the play of those around him, but I don't have any concerns about him long term. As the talent around him gets better, he will make less mistakes (and have his minutes reduced).

If they want/need to move him, I have no doubt they will. The only person to blame here is Bowman, and he's no longer employed, so you (collective you) better just make the best of it.
- Chunk

Chunk, like you say, he is here for the long term. That is dictated by many things, his contract, the need to get to the cap floor, the probability that the Hawks don't want years of dead cap caused by a buyout and finally the fact that NO team is taking that deal given his level of play without the Hawks eating a big part of it (more dead cap space).

Is Jones bad....no, he's not bad per se, he's definitely not garbage, but as you say (and I have said before), he's not great at ANYTHING. He doesn't raise the level of play of those around him, that's the issue. Most of the mistakes he makes aren't because the talent around him is bad/mediocre, they are individual mistakes that are on him. Positioning, passing, hockey IQ. Will he look better with more talent around him.....of course he will, because then someone is probably covering his mistakes, that makes it even more maddening, not less.

Look, Megna, Tinordi, Zaitsev are garbage and always will be. Korchinski, Crevier, Phillips, Kaiser are all rookies with various levels of success/improvement/mistakes. Then there is Murphy. Jones is better than Murphy, marginally, though Murphy by all accounts is a much better leader (who happens to make less than half of what Jones does)

Chunk, a really good post. I can type 15 paragraphs and dilute my point but IMO the point is Bedard is 18 yrs old...... I have to take myself aside and tell myself that. What does that mean?

I went to Steel tryouts for a decade, tryouts, took notes. Me, their scared to death parents who see what kind of fruit their 150k investment has borne and 3 other fans. So many times I saw a kid barely make the squad and when he left 3-4 yrs later a kid was often times unrecognizable they improved so much in so many phases.

Bedard will fit into that description one way or another and I know that cuz I saw it hundreds of times. But in the meantime like an unfiltered 5 yr old I can't control myself when the kid takes a 2 minute shift, skates into 4 opponents (he's improved on that already as he dumped 2 shifts in back from injury, a beauty that was away from the goalie and the D had to turn and make a play) or doesn't understand (or care?) there are times he and his team wins if he simply plays high in the Ozone once in awhile... Simply said, hit the mother humpin cutoff man.

And, it could be my fault expecting, hoping, the kid will play the game like Crosby. One of the best ever "hockey players" who could no doubt be a scoring machine had he chose to be less a hockey player.

Kid is 18, but him being surrounded by AHLers has nothing to do with not playing high in the Ozone, flying his own zone, skating into 4 opponents or taking 2:00 shifts. Being surrounded by AHLers is more reason to hit the cutoff man.

Too early to say anything definitively cuz he's 18 other than he'll be a scoring machine and he might, probably, never reach the level of being a hockey player like Crosby.
- Mr Ricochet

Deep breath Rico. It'll be ok.

The one good thing that should come from this year is that Bedard will realize that things don't come nearly as easily in the NHL and that he will have to improve on a number of things in order for him and his team to be competitive. At least it sounds like he isn't obsessed with his numbers and is more upset with the losing. At the end of the day, he's still an 18yo kid basically just reacting out there. By all accounts he is very dedicated to improving his game, so hopefully he concentrates on the right things.

An 18yo has 8 more points that the next closest player (Kurashev) who has played 7 more games. At that young, I'd think I have to do everything myself as well. This is why I keep female doging that it is important for the Hawks to surround him with more actual top line NHL talent next year. Otherwise, you run the risk of him just ingraining this performance.

I'm also going to belabor the point on the OT goal. Sure Bedard didn't get back, but he and Kurashev were already parked on either side of the goal line when Jones made the decision to skate in (which he did slowly). Either Jones has to pass that off, or make a much more aggressive move. He basically turned the situation into either I score or DET does (at least the way I saw it).

Hey!, the LOOSE is JHawk59 LOSE...not me.

Mine are long winded trains of streams (as in the tributaries overflowing) of consciousnesses.
- wiz1901

Didn't mean to imply loose was yours. I merely said I saw it because you had mentioned it earlier. I am good with whatever you write. You are the master.

Chunk, like you say, he is here for the long term. That is dictated by many things, his contract, the need to get to the cap floor, the probability that the Hawks don't want years of dead cap caused by a buyout and finally the fact that NO team is taking that deal given his level of play without the Hawks eating a big part of it (more dead cap space).

Is Jones bad....no, he's not bad per se, he's definitely not garbage, but as you say (and I have said before), he's not great at ANYTHING. He doesn't raise the level of play of those around him, that's the issue. Most of the mistakes he makes aren't because the talent around him is bad/mediocre, they are individual mistakes that are on him. Positioning, passing, hockey IQ. Will he look better with more talent around him.....of course he will, because then someone is probably covering his mistakes, that makes it even more maddening, not less.

Look, Megna, Tinordi, Zaitsev are garbage and always will be. Korchinski, Crevier, Phillips, Kaiser are all rookies with various levels of success/improvement/mistakes. Then there is Murphy. Jones is better than Murphy, marginally, though Murphy by all accounts is a much better leader (who happens to make less than half of what Jones does)
- TheTrob

I actually think Zaitsev has played pretty well this year. Too bad he's got a broken bone in his leg. I'd like to get Tinordi off the ice.

Why would he? There is no need to. Did buying out Parise and Suter really help MN? They are still on the hook for almost the same cap hit on both for the same amount of time, and they still don't have any cap room to help the club. They simply opened up two roster spots. Plus they are on the hook for $1.6M for the following 4 years after the 24-25 season.

Not to mention, Suter has been very solid for Dallas the last 2+ years.
- Chunk

Yup. Buying him out doesn't help the team at all right now. Not to mention that LR plays him 26 minutes a night, so obviously he doesn't see him as the big problem that is imagined around the board.

It's really remarkable he, Bedard, has done as well as he has given his talent pool to play with him. To me that speaks volumes and I have ZERO concerns that this kid won't sniff his potential.....Plus you add a summer where he can add some meat as he matures and some of these 50/50 plays he loses because hes a boy amongst men and we will see a large jump.

I get the Crosby sentiment but if they wanted that....they would have resigned Kane.

Hopefuly Hall can stay healthy next year, as best that he can...but that's a big IF....

If I were KD, I would really look at what you have internally after this draft and were ceilings could hit.....and if you are short a top F....and the PERFECT situation came to be like Hossa, I wouldn't be afraid to sign a guy in his mid-late 20s to a max term deal to help get Bedard a true compliment vs playing the long game. Again, all for the rebuild and the likely time frame, but this example of a top player to play with him would have to be a perfect fit and Im sure said player isn't available coming up.....

Just sitting there live and watching these teams collapse on him constantly and pairing his line up with crap defensemen were they get pinned in their own zone for long periods of time.....doesn't seem to be really be accomplishing much.

My whole goal this year for this team was the progress of kids we thought could have a chance to be identifiable pieces for the long term

Korchinski
Reichel
Bedard
Vlassic
Soderbloom
Kaiser

Zero concerns for me on Bedard
Vlassic....I think will be a stud and if Jones is going to play like the incompotent meatball he is.....might as well pair Vlassic with KK and let them bond and maybe Seth gets his briefs in a bunch and requests out......
Reichel....good god. At this point I just hope he has some value at some point for a trade or can be a reliable 7-9 F.
Soderbloom....will he regain his confidence? I mean they are riding Mzarek to death because Soderbloom is an automatic L every time out.

I hope the kids I saw in WJC pan out.....but way early there.
- SteveRain

Korchinski - BUST
Reichel - MAJOR BUST
Bedard - MEH
Vlassic - BUST
Soderbloom - MAJOR BUST
Kaiser - AHL FODDER

Because Karlsson was open to waiving his NMC clause to go to Pittsburgh because the situation was better than in San Jose? Unless there is a scenario for Jones to agree to a moved to another team it’s unlikely. It’s unlikely Jones agrees to go to a team trying to get a contract to get to the cap floor. That contract dump for San Jose was the right circumstance and luck. I know you’re not a KFC fan but you have to be fair.
- paulr

I still haven't learned to do red font.

Throwing meat at the Jones despisers.

Korchinski - BUST
Reichel - MAJOR BUST
Bedard - MEH
Vlassic - BUST
Soderbloom - MAJOR BUST
Kaiser - AHL FODDER
- DarthKane

I am more concerned what Reichel's next deal is....not my money but over the course of 3 seasons which totals over a little over a year you have 10 goals and 26 points.

I mean is this the next Marty St Pierre where he dominates the AHL level but can't get the light to go on in the show?

Deep breath Rico. It'll be ok.

The one good thing that should come from this year is that Bedard will realize that things don't come nearly as easily in the NHL and that he will have to improve on a number of things in order for him and his team to be competitive. At least it sounds like he isn't obsessed with his numbers and is more upset with the losing. At the end of the day, he's still an 18yo kid basically just reacting out there. By all accounts he is very dedicated to improving his game, so hopefully he concentrates on the right things.

An 18yo has 8 more points that the next closest player (Kurashev) who has played 7 more games. At that young, I'd think I have to do everything myself as well. This is why I keep female doging that it is important for the Hawks to surround him with more actual top line NHL talent next year. Otherwise, you run the risk of him just ingraining this performance.

I'm also going to belabor the point on the OT goal. Sure Bedard didn't get back, but he and Kurashev were already parked on either side of the goal line when Jones made the decision to skate in (which he did slowly). Either Jones has to pass that off, or make a much more aggressive move. He basically turned the situation into either I score or DET does (at least the way I saw it).
- Chunk

I was told on this board that is not how you do a rebuild, that I cannot stomach a rebuild, and you have to grow the roster internally before even thinking about bringing in a cometent NHL player.

Chunk, a really good post. I can type 15 paragraphs and dilute my point but IMO the point is Bedard is 18 yrs old...... I have to take myself aside and tell myself that. What does that mean?

I went to Steel tryouts for a decade, tryouts, took notes. Me, their scared to death parents who see what kind of fruit their 150k investment has borne and 3 other fans. So many times I saw a kid barely make the squad and when he left 3-4 yrs later a kid was often times unrecognizable they improved so much in so many phases.

Bedard will fit into that description one way or another and I know that cuz I saw it hundreds of times. But in the meantime like an unfiltered 5 yr old I can't control myself when the kid takes a 2 minute shift, skates into 4 opponents (he's improved on that already as he dumped 2 shifts in back from injury, a beauty that was away from the goalie and the D had to turn and make a play) or doesn't understand (or care?) there are times he and his team wins if he simply plays high in the Ozone once in awhile... Simply said, hit the mother humpin cutoff man.

And, it could be my fault expecting, hoping, the kid will play the game like Crosby. One of the best ever "hockey players" who could no doubt be a scoring machine had he chose to be less a hockey player.

Kid is 18, but him being surrounded by AHLers has nothing to do with not playing high in the Ozone, flying his own zone, skating into 4 opponents or taking 2:00 shifts. Being surrounded by AHLers is more reason to hit the cutoff man.

Too early to say anything definitively cuz he's 18 other than he'll be a scoring machine and he might, probably, never reach the level of being a hockey player like Crosby.
- Mr Ricochet

People said the same thing about Kane when he was younger and even in 2008-09 when he would get benched by Quenneville and then half @ss back check in OT vs the Wings......light went on defensively for him.....Is Kane an elite defender? Nope.

At this point to me, it looks like Bedard is trying to find himself room albeit not the proper way when he hangs high, flies the zone, etc.....Sure he will mature on the ice like he will off the ice.

I also don't get this constant push for theoretically trading for Crosby and giving up draft capital for a team needing said capital to rebuild. Team has far too many holes than to add Crosby to pump up ticket gate sales, etc......again, if they wanted to do that they would have locked in Kane last year.

I am more concerned what Reichel's next deal is....not my money but over the course of 3 seasons which totals over a little over a year you have 10 goals and 26 points.

I mean is this the next Marty St Pierre where he dominates the AHL level but can't get the light to go on in the show?
- SteveRain

Minimum QO likely.

It’s too bad Raddysh’s game fell apart. I was hoping he could build on last season and be a valuable asset to trade.
- paulr

I was hoping he'd be a valuable asset to keep.

I was told on this board that is not how you do a rebuild, that I cannot stomach a rebuild, and you have to grow the roster internally before even thinking about bringing in a cometent NHL player.
- LAHawk

Well i would think Taylor hall was supposed to be that guy. That obviously didn't happen. Do they roll the dice and hope in contract year at the age of 33 he's hell bent on proving he's healthy to cash in the summer of 2025 for 1 last deal?

Cap going up didn't help the hawks from potentially signing or trading for a guy who could help bedard AND weaponize their cap space.

I also have zero clue if any kid who may be picked 1-3 can play in the NHL next year and not be out of place.

This team is going to need a lot still......and that's before you even get an evaluation on these younger kids NOT NHL ready quite yet....Rinzel, Nazar, Moore, etc.....but man the skill difference between 98 and 23 or 91 is night and day and plays and spots he goes to and/or expects his linemates to go because they aren't wired that way.....is going to grind on this kid as this year wraps up.

I was hoping he'd be a valuable asset to keep.
- rpeters01

Rather resign him than Reese Johnson, Entwhistle, Katchook

I am more concerned what Reichel's next deal is....not my money but over the course of 3 seasons which totals over a little over a year you have 10 goals and 26 points.

I mean is this the next Marty St Pierre where he dominates the AHL level but can't get the light to go on in the show?
- SteveRain

Hopefully he is not what is known in baseball circles as a AAAA player. A kid that can dominate the minors but not make it at the major league level.

I think Reichel will be ok. I think he is still a young kid who expects early success this season based on last year, and when it didn't come he lost all confidence and could never dig out of the hole. Hopefully the time back in Rockford "re-boots" him.

I was told on this board that is not how you do a rebuild, that I cannot stomach a rebuild, and you have to grow the roster internally before even thinking about bringing in a cometent NHL player.
- LAHawk

My Pepcid wore off. (frank) that. Get some GD talent on this squad.

Minimum QO likely.
- Chunk

I would agree........it also wouldn't shock me if some team can knocking if the Hawks didn't deal him for a pick or prospect. Even watching him I dont' get many of those "wow" moments where you can see the potential. Was really hoping after that nice stretch this year, he would have taken another step forward but at this point....he has taken a step back from last year and that's extremely concerning.