How could this possibly be - the great Ryan Johansen on waivers? Drafted 4th overall as a #1 center.

I think I know the answer - Burnaby Joe Sakic knows a hockey player when he sees one. He didn't see one in Johansen. Neither did his teammates.

Hope KD takes a cue from that and does same with Mr. Seth Jones.
- RickJ

Remember when that idiot Trashville fan came on here to say Johansen was better than Toews?

That comparison hasn't aged well!!!!

Remember when that idiot Trashville fan came on here to say Johansen was better than Toews?

That comparison hasn't aged well!!!!

- dahawks8819

To be moved by 3 teams already, Johansen must have earned a bad reputation for something. And then for the Flyers to put him on waivers immediately?

Remember when that idiot Trashville fan came on here to say Johansen was better than Toews?

That comparison hasn't aged well!!!!

- dahawks8819

Might be an understatement. RJ manhandled Toews in one playoff series but career wise who is going to remember Johansen...and tbf that series was pretty much at the end of Johnny's career trajectory.

Your right Rico, so i really don't want the Blackhawks to make a move like this, but if all these other players that were thrown in like Raty and Beau aren't in their long term plans well we already know Beau didn't it really is just a 1st round a late 1st.

I still prefer what Buffalo is doing.
- BetweenTheDots

No Dots, I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong, I think I'm right though, only saying you just don't get an established young top 6 for a late 1st. ..... Fatty has some fine examples and the Gaborik for two 2nds supports your argument.

fatty hits the nail on the head. A copy and paste.

"Point being - when an impact player becomes available and you need a player at that position - you go get that player. Sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly but in many situations it's what makes the biggest difference".

Indeed. And I agree with all the posters who say you build/win thru the draft and add thru FA and trades (except for LVG). So, I do NOT wanna fritter away any draft picks let alone 1sts, but again as Fatty points out when you need a player cough up for him.

Cuz next yr isn't guaranteed with injuries, poor performances, illness and a bunch of things can go wrong. Look at NJ this yr.

Buffalo acquires Bowen Byram from Colorado Casey Mittlestadt

So the guy who everybody said was a sure fire #1 NHL defenseman and should have been who the Hawks pick instead of Dach, has proven my predraft evaluation that despite his clear offensive capabilities, that he has lacking enough hockey sense and decision making to deem him replacable by Sean Walker.
- wiz1901

They also needed to lose that pecker Johansen.

To be moved by 3 teams already, Johansen must have earned a bad reputation for something. And then for the Flyers to put him on waivers immediately?
- RickJ

I was thinking this is gonna be fun to watch Torts and Johansen "coexist". ... Watching the TOR feed of the game v BUF and Friedman mentioned the two have a history. And they do with CLB.

This is the player I thought Dach would become. Both he and Johansen have great size, 60 pt ability as a 2C.

Help me out, Dots. Has any team ever traded an established young top 6 player for a late 1st unless the player was a cancer or disgruntled??????? Off the top of my head I can't think of one and would imagine if a GM did make that trade he won't collect an NHL paycheck for very long.

And, have you watched a NJ game within the last yr and a half. Cuz there is no way you have and have not seen the havoc Mier causes an opponent.... I'm sure it won't, but don't let me diminish the hate you have for Mier and power forwards.

Probably time for CAR to cut their losses and trade Svechnikov for a 3rd, cuz you know, what have they won?
- Mr Ricochet

Mark Stone
Jack Eichel
Ryan O'Reilly (a few times with the second one being the pay off)
Jeff Carter
Mike Richards
TheChuck
Martin Havlat to the Hawks
Debrincat out of the Hawks.
Meier moved out in his prime
Joe Thornton traded to the Sharks
Danault out of Chicago
Hagel out of Chicago
Laine traded
Panarin out of Chicago
Saad a few times
Trocheck out of Florida for free basically
Buff and Ladd moved out of Chicago
Zibanejad to NYR
Fox demanded he be moved to NYR and its worked out pretty ok for them
Trouba is a boner but they went and grabbed him
Good old poop in a hallway Kevin Hayes went for a first round pick

Colorado has been extremely ruthless either not resigning guys or trading them since Sakic took over. Toews into Colorado was a good one. Letting Statsny and Kadri walk was bold. Trading Duchene and O'Reilly out.

Anyway - A lot of circumstances involved for teams moving on from a player. Either they don't want to pay them, can't pay them, it's an undesirable place like Calgary or Winnipeg, they just don't work out with the coach or team. If I didn't like my boss it could have nothing to do with my boss being a bad guy or me having an attitude problem some people just don't mesh.

If a player doesn't want to be there or the team sours on a player which could be for many reasons that don't involve an attitude problem and guys end up available.

If really good player available then the Hawks should go get them. The Bedard era is now not in 3-5 years.

I was thinking this is gonna be fun to watch Torts and Johansen "coexist". ... Watching the TOR feed of the game v BUF and Friedman mentioned the two have a history. And they do with CLB.

This is the player I thought Dach would become. Both he and Johansen have great size, 60 pt ability as a 2C.
- Mr Ricochet

I had totally forgotten the bad vibes between Torts and Johansen.

And I don't think very much love lost between Torts and P L Dubois either.

The more I watch Tortorella the more I think he is a very, very good coach. He makes players better but the player has to fit within the Torts framework.

Wonder if KD would take a flyer on Johansen for a year just to add a forward?

No Dots, I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong, I think I'm right though, only saying you just don't get an established young top 6 for a late 1st. ..... Fatty has some fine examples and the Gaborik for two 2nds supports your argument.

fatty hits the nail on the head. A copy and paste.

"Point being - when an impact player becomes available and you need a player at that position - you go get that player. Sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly but in many situations it's what makes the biggest difference".

Indeed. And I agree with all the posters who say you build/win thru the draft and add thru FA and trades (except for LVG). So, I do NOT wanna fritter away any draft picks let alone 1sts, but again as Fatty points out when you need a player cough up for him.

Cuz next yr isn't guaranteed with injuries, poor performances, illness and a bunch of things can go wrong. Look at NJ this yr.
- Mr Ricochet

I hear you but when do you know your team is ready? I give a lot of credit to Briere trading away Walker today. Didn't buy his team is ready to consistently be a playoff team.

I know many disagree but i think NJ and NYI jumped the gun, even LA. I want all this talent oozing out of the farm system, Theo said it best when he took over for the Cubs, it doesn't take 9, 12 or 15 players to win a championship, it takes every player on the roster.

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I hear you but when do you know your team is ready? I give a lot of credit to Briere trading away Walker today. Didn't buy his team is ready to consistently be a playoff team.

I know many disagree but i think NJ and NYI jumped the gun, even LA. I want all this talent oozing out of the farm system, Theo said it best when he took over for the Cubs, it doesn't take 9, 12 or 15 players to win a championship, it takes every player on the roster.
- BetweenTheDots

Bet you haven’t looked into the Blackhawks….oh really KD version of
Murphy’s Law

He is traded
For the infamous “to be” aka “Toby”
That is, to be determined later
All we know is
It will be for a draft choice
I venture to say next season trade timeline

There will be several prospects buzzing around
Ready to share cold steel on United Center ice
By trade deadline nearly two years worth the prospects developing

I can practically guarantee some bodies have to be moved

All aboard
Kaiser, Del Maestro, Allen, Phillips, Crevier?

And even later Rinzal. Maybe another from the draft
BTW what about T Harding and his teammate Kelly…they are AHL bound?

* LATE ADDITIONAL REmARK omit Roos

Bet you haven’t looked into the Blackhawks….oh really KD version of
Murphy’s Law

He is traded
For the infamous “to be” aka “Toby”
That is, to be determined later
All we know is
It will be for a draft choice
I venture to say next season trade timeline

There will be several prospects buzzing around
Ready to share cold steel on United Center ice
By trade deadline nearly two years worth the prospects developing

I can practically guarantee some bodies have to be moved

All aboard
Kaiser, Del Maestro, Allen, Phillips, Crevier?

And even later Rinzal. Maybe another from the draft
BTW what about T Harding and his teammate Kelly…they are AHL bound?

* LATE ADDITIONAL REmARK omit Roos
- jhawk59

I agree J some bodies have to be moved but hopefully it is for better prospects entering the system. I believe Carolina did this when the new owner came in.

For example would of LA been better off holding on to players like Faber and getting rid of Doughty? In the long run i think so, does Doughty have another cup run in him? That's a lot of cheese you could of spent elsewhere too improve your club

Did I bring up the Kings? Yes there was a misread. I didn't say the Hawks were in a position today to sign big name free agents, just commenting on Mohel's post of how the bottom dwellers a few years back are now competitive, and each has made a move using draft capital, of which a comment has been made how each of these GM's were stupid. My point is that I do not think these GM's are stupid, and that the team has improved by the moves they made.
- LAHawk

My mistake, I read it wrong, was thinking you were talking about early in the season, not something that Mo posted, I read a couple other posts and misinterpreted.

I will take my 20 lashes

I agree J some bodies have to be moved but hopefully it is for better prospects entering the system. I believe Carolina did this when the new owner came in.

For example would have LA been better off holding on to players like Faber and getting rid of Doughty? In the long run i think so, does Doughty have another cup run in him? That's a lot of cheese you could of spent elsewhere too improve your club
- BetweenTheDots

Doughty signed his contract in 2018, Fabre was drafted in 3020,

The Kings decided that they wanted an integral part of their 2 cup run ( along with Kopitar) we’re going to be the leaders of the rebuild. I guess they could have not signed both and have to go get over the hill veterans and sign others to bloated contracts for leadership in order to get to the cap floor.

What top draft choice have the Kings traded besides # 11 Vilardi, who has never played a full season and has back issues? They still have Turcotte, Clarke, and Byfield in the system.

I agree J some bodies have to be moved but hopefully it is for better prospects entering the system. I believe Carolina did this when the new owner came in.

For example would have LA been better off holding on to players like Faber and getting rid of Doughty? In the long run i think so, does Doughty have another cup run in him? That's a lot of cheese you could of spent elsewhere too improve your club
- BetweenTheDots

The problem is, and many, if not all, teams, fall into the trap are two things. GMs, possibly with direction from the front office, try to win or get one more run at a championship. Especially if it appears their top players are at or near the top of their game. So they mortgage their future, move out draft picks and prospects for more veterans. Another reason is GMs won’t or can’t move out the stars because of contract clauses, loyalty, scaring off future UFAs or the fear of alienating the fan base.

Making it clear he wasn’t re-signing Kane and Toews, trading away the best younger talent like Dach and Debrincat is almost unheard of and took a huge set of gonads on Davidson’s part. It was also very risky, if in three to five seasons Chicago becomes a bumbling mediocre team, the heat from fans and media will drive Davidson out of town and he will become more hated then that good for nothing Blowman.

Don’t get me wrong I’m liking the approach by KFC, but what’s he’s doing is novel, risky and there’s no certainty it will work.

Doughty signed his contract in 2018, Fabre was drafted in 3020,

The Kings decided that they wanted an integral part of their 2 cup run ( along with Kopitar) we’re going to be the leaders of the rebuild. I guess they could have not signed both and have to go get over the hill veterans and sign others to bloated contracts for leadership in order to get to the cap floor.

What top draft choice have the Kings traded besides # 11 Vilardi, who has never played a full season and has back issues? They still have Turcotte, Clarke, and Byfield in the system.
- LAHawk

I know we disagree about this, as i stated before its as soon as they had some success they became all in to win a cup. To their credit they have made the playoffs every year. We talked about the Blackhawks in their Cup runs about their depth. The star players equal each other out in the playoffs the difference most times was depth.

And again if Bedard is 24 and the Blackhawks have drafted poorly then i agree to try to build a SC team through FA and trades like Florida and Edmonton.

I know you don't agree but i prefer the method of what the Sabres are doing, the Blackhawks are doing and a ton of credit to Briere not buying but selling before the trade dead line.

My mistake, I read it wrong, was thinking you were talking about early in the season, not something that Mo posted, I read a couple other posts and misinterpreted.

I will take my 20 lashes
- vabeachbear

Funny what you learn about people after you get to know them casually over a period of time.

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- DarthKane

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- 333inthe3rd

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- HawkintheD

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Panthers sign Forsling to an 8 year extension

Florida has locked up Forsling for 8 years. I haven't seen the AAV yet.

Florida has locked up Forsling for 8 years. I haven't seen the AAV yet.
- DarthKane

CapFriendly has $5.75M

Wish we could find a guy like this: Florida Extends Forsling...8 years. 5.75

Wish we could find a guy like this: Florida Extends Forsling...8 years. 5.75
- glennjpawlak22

What is KFC going to offer Vlasic?