For now, I think it's injury related....not that he was having a good year before.
- Lunaion

You could be definitely be right, and they did try sticking him back with Tage/Tuch to start. I don't know, I'm hoping they see the wheels are coming off that wagon pretty fast.

At this point I'm just hoping he can get back to his old ways. While I've never liked his game, if he's putting up points at least he's helping. Right now, to me, he's a big anchor on any line he's on. Passing and effort have really been poope all year.

Apparently Adams, even after the Byram trade, was in talks with CLB about a vet center...think we know who that is. But also still talking about getting a defender. Carrier and Fabbro from NSH were the names mentioned in the article. I find it interesting that we're having issues scoring but he's still dead set focused on the defense. Seems he's got a lot of faith in the prospects to replace some scoring we lost by shipping Mitts out.

You could be definitely be right, and they did try sticking him back with Tage/Tuch to start. I don't know, I'm hoping they see the wheels are coming off that wagon pretty fast.

At this point I'm just hoping he can get back to his old ways. While I've never liked his game, if he's putting up points at least he's helping. Right now, to me, he's a big anchor on any line he's on. Passing and effort have really been poope all year.
- QuinnFan

If anyone has an inside track to Adams/Granato - introduce them to the word proactive...it could do wonders for them.

Bill Hoppe
@BillHoppeNHL
Jordan Greenway will return tonight, per Don Granato. Lukas Rousek will be scratched. #Sabres

If anyone has an inside track to Adams/Granato - introduce them to the word proactive...it could do wonders for them.
- washedup20

Yeahhhhhhhhh, doesn't seem to be in their vocabulary. I really am tired of hearing both of them speak at this point. It isn't the best roster by any means, so I put more onus on Adams than Granato, but talk about a fall from grace.

I actually liked Donny last year. I'm not sure what changed over the summer but it appears he regressed right along with the team lol.

Actually, out of curiosity, if you could fire one of them today...

Adams or Granato? The other has to stay for 2 years minimum afterwards though.

Actually, out of curiosity, if you could fire one of them today...

Adams or Granato? The other has to stay for 2 years minimum afterwards though.
- QuinnFan

I would fire Adams today and hire Ventura in a 2nd. Especially if we are playing MoneyPuck here.
Edit: Can we bring in Different Assistant Coaches atleast ?

Actually, out of curiosity, if you could fire one of them today...

Adams or Granato? The other has to stay for 2 years minimum afterwards though.
- QuinnFan

Ohhhh that's a tough one

I would fire Adams today and hire Ventura in a 2nd. Especially if we are playing MoneyPuck here.
- Buff36

That's hysterical.

And a fair choice.

Ohhhh that's a tough one
- Buffalo--Sabres

Which is pretty sad, usually you're lacking in one department, not all of them.

Must win all 3, 2 of which need to be in regulation, if not all 3 in regulation.

A Sabres victory over the Red Wings tonight pulls them to within 5 points of a playoff spot. With 16 games to go.

These next 3 games are PIVITOL


- kingcong39

“There’s beer in Tex-Arkana”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJPM-M_Z65o

Hey guys, I took a few months off from this board after spending a summer arguing. To be honest, the snark gets to me after a while.

With a few months of hindsight, this is how I am seeing things.

Things That I Think We All Agree On (to varying degrees)

- Adams still isn't aggressive enough. I was fine not going shopping for big-name free agents, but more should have been done over the last 2 years to fill in our shortcomings. It cost us a playoff spot last year (when D injuries hit), and it probably will again this year (bringing back the 4th line was moronic). I damn near lost my poope when I heard they were negotiating with Gus.
- Granato might not be the guy. Lineup choices, line combinations, etc. I don't need him to yell and screen in public, but I do need him to make obvious decisions. Why is Greenway playing in the top 6 while Krebs languished on the 4th line? Why does he regularly pair D together that have proven not to work well when looking at the data? Why does Skinner ever see the ice with less than 3 minutes to go (or overtime)?


Things That I Think I Got Right

- The goalies. I thought that one would rise to the top, and it happened. I still think that Levi was fine as the backup (his stats were average), but it was wise to send him down once UPL established himself. Thankfully we didn't go shopping for the likes of Jack Campbell and so many others. Remember people falling over themselves over the Devil's goalies? Its voodoo, and should be treated as such.
- The D. Well, kind of. People obsessed over who was physically capable of playing x minutes, and I thought that was nonsense. Don't get me wrong - EJ was still a giant mistake (we all agreed on that), and Clifton is disappointing. The point is that nobody talks about minutes.
- Not being jealous of every freaking move that everyone else made. As per usual, the majority of the moves made were terrible. I don't get doing something *just because*, but things clearly needed to be done (especially after the Quinn injury).
- Not being obsessed with bringing in people with cups to teach the kids. Listening to Adams talk about EJ before the season or Gus now, it made me sick. Bring in good hockey players, and don't coddle them.

Things That I've Moved On (A bit)

- I was never against making a hockey trade. In fact, I am all for it. But now I think it is necessary. We need another top 6 forward. The problem is that Skinner's contract is going to make things dicey in a couple of years. Either way, that can be dealt with. Also, the fourth line needs to be so much more than it is today. That should be easy enough to do - I worry that Adams doesn't see it that way (again, see comments on gus).

The Byram Trade


I couldn't give a rat's arse how many LHD we have. If you can make this trade, you do it every time. His ceiling is so high. I got a chance to watch him in person on saturday - he very much reminds me of Montour as he is always lurking. He was so noticeable all over the ice, and I hope his attacking style rubs off on 25 and 26 as they haven't done as much of it as they used to.

Offseason Moves

- Skinner has to be moved at any price. If that means retaining and attaching a giant asset to him, you do it. You can't win a cup with him on your top line, and his contract limits us in a year or two.
- Move on from one of Joker or Clifton. They are both bottom-pair D and you can't pay both of that money in the bottom pair. Or more on from both.
- A hard-to-play against 4th line.
- Top 6 winger. Let the kids fight over who plays on the 3rd line.

The future is still incredibly bright, but I worry about the coach and GM. And I guess by extension, the owner. I wonder if he also falls in love with prospects and players too much (as I know I have been prone to do). Losing has become acceptable.

“There’s beer in Tex-Arkana”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJPM-M_Z65o
- Ratsreign

Be Nice to get our first 4 game win streak of the year at this point. Would make it very interesting. Sabres are getting a lot of help

Actually, out of curiosity, if you could fire one of them today...

Adams or Granato? The other has to stay for 2 years minimum afterwards though.
- QuinnFan

Adams, everything starts at the top and you can't remove the owner, Adams head must roll

Actually, out of curiosity, if you could fire one of them today...

Adams or Granato? The other has to stay for 2 years minimum afterwards though.
- QuinnFan

Meatballs

Hey guys, I took a few months off from this board after spending a summer arguing. To be honest, the snark gets to me after a while.

With a few months of hindsight, this is how I am seeing things.

Things That I Think We All Agree On (to varying degrees)

- Adams still isn't aggressive enough. I was fine not going shopping for big-name free agents, but more should have been done over the last 2 years to fill in our shortcomings. It cost us a playoff spot last year (when D injuries hit), and it probably will again this year (bringing back the 4th line was moronic). I damn near lost my poope when I heard they were negotiating with Gus.
- Granato might not be the guy. Lineup choices, line combinations, etc. I don't need him to yell and screen in public, but I do need him to make obvious decisions. Why is Greenway playing in the top 6 while Krebs languished on the 4th line? Why does he regularly pair D together that have proven not to work well when looking at the data? Why does Skinner ever see the ice with less than 3 minutes to go (or overtime)?


Things That I Think I Got Right

- The goalies. I thought that one would rise to the top, and it happened. I still think that Levi was fine as the backup (his stats were average), but it was wise to send him down once UPL established himself. Thankfully we didn't go shopping for the likes of Jack Campbell and so many others. Remember people falling over themselves over the Devil's goalies? Its voodoo, and should be treated as such.
- The D. Well, kind of. People obsessed over who was physically capable of playing x minutes, and I thought that was nonsense. Don't get me wrong - EJ was still a giant mistake (we all agreed on that), and Clifton is disappointing. The point is that nobody talks about minutes.
- Not being jealous of every freaking move that everyone else made. As per usual, the majority of the moves made were terrible. I don't get doing something *just because*, but things clearly needed to be done (especially after the Quinn injury).
- Not being obsessed with bringing in people with cups to teach the kids. Listening to Adams talk about EJ before the season or Gus now, it made me sick. Bring in good hockey players, and don't coddle them.

Things That I've Moved On (A bit)

- I was never against making a hockey trade. In fact, I am all for it. But now I think it is necessary. We need another top 6 forward. The problem is that Skinner's contract is going to make things dicey in a couple of years. Either way, that can be dealt with. Also, the fourth line needs to be so much more than it is today. That should be easy enough to do - I worry that Adams doesn't see it that way (again, see comments on gus).

The Byram Trade


I couldn't give a rat's arse how many LHD we have. If you can make this trade, you do it every time. His ceiling is so high. I got a chance to watch him in person on saturday - he very much reminds me of Montour as he is always lurking. He was so noticeable all over the ice, and I hope his attacking style rubs off on 25 and 26 as they haven't done as much of it as they used to.

Offseason Moves

- Skinner has to be moved at any price. If that means retaining and attaching a giant asset to him, you do it. You can't win a cup with him on your top line, and his contract limits us in a year or two.
- Move on from one of Joker or Clifton. They are both bottom-pair D and you can't pay both of that money in the bottom pair. Or more on from both.
- A hard-to-play against 4th line.
- Top 6 winger. Let the kids fight over who plays on the 3rd line.

The future is still incredibly bright, but I worry about the coach and GM. And I guess by extension, the owner. I wonder if he also falls in love with prospects and players too much (as I know I have been prone to do). Losing has become acceptable.
- Slump Buster

You can't let people's opinions about the Sabres get to you. Having terrible and strong opinions about the Sabres is nearly as old as the club itself. When I was young I enjoyed the Empire Sports call in post-game show more than the game itself.

You can't let people's opinions about the Sabres get to you. Having terrible and strong opinions about the Sabres is nearly as old as the club itself. When I was young I enjoyed the Empire Sports call in post-game show more than the game itself.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Empire Sports was awesome! Brinson made me laugh

Hey guys, I took a few months off from this board after spending a summer arguing. To be honest, the snark gets to me after a while.

With a few months of hindsight, this is how I am seeing things.

Things That I Think We All Agree On (to varying degrees)

- Adams still isn't aggressive enough. I was fine not going shopping for big-name free agents, but more should have been done over the last 2 years to fill in our shortcomings. It cost us a playoff spot last year (when D injuries hit), and it probably will again this year (bringing back the 4th line was moronic). I damn near lost my poope when I heard they were negotiating with Gus.
- Granato might not be the guy. Lineup choices, line combinations, etc. I don't need him to yell and screen in public, but I do need him to make obvious decisions. Why is Greenway playing in the top 6 while Krebs languished on the 4th line? Why does he regularly pair D together that have proven not to work well when looking at the data? Why does Skinner ever see the ice with less than 3 minutes to go (or overtime)?


Things That I Think I Got Right

- The goalies. I thought that one would rise to the top, and it happened. I still think that Levi was fine as the backup (his stats were average), but it was wise to send him down once UPL established himself. Thankfully we didn't go shopping for the likes of Jack Campbell and so many others. Remember people falling over themselves over the Devil's goalies? Its voodoo, and should be treated as such.
- The D. Well, kind of. People obsessed over who was physically capable of playing x minutes, and I thought that was nonsense. Don't get me wrong - EJ was still a giant mistake (we all agreed on that), and Clifton is disappointing. The point is that nobody talks about minutes.
- Not being jealous of every freaking move that everyone else made. As per usual, the majority of the moves made were terrible. I don't get doing something *just because*, but things clearly needed to be done (especially after the Quinn injury).
- Not being obsessed with bringing in people with cups to teach the kids. Listening to Adams talk about EJ before the season or Gus now, it made me sick. Bring in good hockey players, and don't coddle them.

Things That I've Moved On (A bit)

- I was never against making a hockey trade. In fact, I am all for it. But now I think it is necessary. We need another top 6 forward. The problem is that Skinner's contract is going to make things dicey in a couple of years. Either way, that can be dealt with. Also, the fourth line needs to be so much more than it is today. That should be easy enough to do - I worry that Adams doesn't see it that way (again, see comments on gus).

The Byram Trade


I couldn't give a rat's arse how many LHD we have. If you can make this trade, you do it every time. His ceiling is so high. I got a chance to watch him in person on saturday - he very much reminds me of Montour as he is always lurking. He was so noticeable all over the ice, and I hope his attacking style rubs off on 25 and 26 as they haven't done as much of it as they used to.

Offseason Moves

- Skinner has to be moved at any price. If that means retaining and attaching a giant asset to him, you do it. You can't win a cup with him on your top line, and his contract limits us in a year or two.
- Move on from one of Joker or Clifton. They are both bottom-pair D and you can't pay both of that money in the bottom pair. Or more on from both.
- A hard-to-play against 4th line.
- Top 6 winger. Let the kids fight over who plays on the 3rd line.

The future is still incredibly bright, but I worry about the coach and GM. And I guess by extension, the owner. I wonder if he also falls in love with prospects and players too much (as I know I have been prone to do). Losing has become acceptable.
- Slump Buster

Great write up Slumper.

Meatballs
- Jet Jaguar BD

Adams, everything starts at the top and you can't remove the owner, Adams head must roll
- washedup20

That's what I'm thinking, at least with a better roster, we might be able to cover Donny's faults. Can't do anything with a good coach and poorly constructed team though.

You can't let people's opinions about the Sabres get to you. Having terrible and strong opinions about the Sabres is nearly as old as the club itself. When I was young I enjoyed the Empire Sports call in post-game show more than the game itself.
- Buffalo--Sabres

To be clear, it has nothing to do with peoples opinions. As you all know, I love to debate. Its just that the snark in the debate reminds me so much of twitter. Part of it is that nothing changed over a long offseason, so the same debates happened over and over. In that sense, there was nothing wrong with ejecting for a while. So many people wanted to dwell on the same stuff over and over again, and that isn't for me.

I also loved Hockey Hotline and the post-game shows.

Adams, everything starts at the top and you can't remove the owner, Adams head must roll
- washedup20

This might get you 2 birds with 1 stone. Donny definitely had the credentials to get the job, and he's gotten us some things done for us, but when I read he is now 7th in games coached without making the playoffs I was like "What are we doing???"

To be clear, it has nothing to do with peoples opinions. As you all know, I love to debate. Its just that the snark in the debate reminds me so much of twitter. Part of it is that nothing changed over a long offseason, so the same debates happened over and over. In that sense, there was nothing wrong with ejecting for a while. So many people wanted to dwell on the same stuff over and over again, and that isn't for me.

I also loved Hockey Hotline and the post-game shows.
- Slump Buster

Well welcome back to the fray. It seems we have things to talk about at least.

That's what I'm thinking, at least with a better roster, we might be able to cover Donny's faults. Can't do anything with a good coach and poorly constructed team though.
- QuinnFan

Touche

This might get you 2 birds with 1 stone. Donny definitely had the credentials to get the job, and he's gotten us some things done for us, but when I read he is now 7th in games coached without making the playoffs I was like "What are we doing???"
- Buffalo--Sabres

Unless you find a coach like Torts (Adams won't) then a coaching change, while not addressing the country club environment put in place by the GM, means little. Words from a different mouth falling on ears covered by headphones (for you homie).