I would love if he just kept it on for his career.
- Chunk

Me to

I would love if he just kept it on for his career.
- Chunk

He could put a digital ad stripe at the top of the plastic shield, more advertising revenue!

I would love if he just kept it on for his career.
- Chunk

Why?

Around 2012 I believe, Kane put the team on his back and carried them to the playoffs playing Center when Toews was out with a concussion for an extended period. They had a little more then, especially on Defense but Kane made them a playoff team.
- rpeters01

Lol Sharp, Hossa, Bolland, Stahlberg (he’d be top line on current hawks he potted 22 that year), young Shaw, Bickell, Frolik. Not a stacked forward group but all of those are playing top 9 on this current team.

Toews played 59 games. Ya Kane played center but he struggled doing it. 66pts in 82 games. Way better talent around him.

What makes you believe that? I think we need three to five years to make that determination as Nazar hasn’t played one NHL game and Dach has been injured allot.
- paulr

I agree with Dots regardless of how Nazar or Dach pan out. Sure, I'm hopin Dach does well but Nazar better but the trade of Dach for the 13th overall was good work by KD IMO.

I think the board has discussed the need for an organIzation to learn which of their prospects are gonna hit and which aren't. The trick is knowing which won't before the rest of the league and move those kids then, at their highest value.

That's what KD did with Dach. Now, KD may end up being wrong, he couldn't have been sure Nazar would be on the board at 13, or maybe the kid he hoped would be there wasn't, but the process was sound.. Move a kid we don't think is gonna make it in the Bigs, or with us, and get as much as we can for him.

Considering Dach's time with the Hawks I thought KD did well to get a 13th and in fact if he kept him another yr and he stunk some more, I know he played under Colliton, and/or another yr of funk outa Dach and highly unlikely he gets better than a 13th overall.

And looking at that draft should KD have taken McGroarty who was taken right after Nazar? McGroarty is lookin beastly. A power forward with 50 in 31 at U of MI this yr and FOUR WJC's, dominating this yrs. https://www.eliteprospect...raft/nhl-entry-draft/2022

I agree with Dots regardless of how Nazar or Dach pan out. Sure, I'm hopin Dach does well but Nazar better but the trade of Dach for the 13th overall was good work by KD IMO.

I think the board has discussed the need for an organIzation to learn which of their prospects are gonna hit and which aren't. The trick is knowing which won't before the rest of the league and move those kids then, at their highest value.

That's what KD did with Dach. Now, KD may end up being wrong, he couldn't have been sure Nazar would be on the board at 13, or maybe the kid he hoped would be there wasn't, but the process was sound.. Move a kid we don't think is gonna make it in the Bigs, or with us, and get as much as we can for him.

Considering Dach's time with the Hawks I thought KD did well to get a 13th and in fact if he kept him another yr and he stunk some more, I know he played under Colliton, and/or another yr of funk outa Dach and highly unlikely he gets better than a 13th overall.

And looking at that draft should KD have taken McGroarty who was taken right after Nazar? McGroarty is lookin beastly. A power forward with 50 in 31 at U of MI this yr and FOUR WJC's, dominating this yrs. https://www.eliteprospect...raft/nhl-entry-draft/2022
- Mr Ricochet

I like the move, trading Dach for Montreal’s pick who they used to acquire Nazar. But we won’t know who the better player will be for a while. Hopefully it’s Nazar.

It's very difficult to project what a 17-18 year old will end up being?
- rpeters01

Yea it is, and as LVG's expansion draft showed it ain't exactly easy to project your own NHLers!! They hit homeruns on Karlsson, Marchessault, Stephenson and their clubs whiffed........... I wonder if any of the brainiacs out there studied up on if the evolution of fancy stats has allowed for better evaluating and drafting? Maybe in 5 yr increments as the fancies got better and better.

I like the move, trading Dach for Montreal’s pick who they used to acquire Nazar. But we won’t know who the better player will be for a while. Hopefully it’s Nazar.
- paulr

No, we won't know for a good while but my point is I like the approach/process and thinking by KD. Move a player before it's known he ain't that good after all when his value is the highest........ Personally I like what Dach brings but it hasn't clicked even though this guy was horribly mismanaged by the Hawk's organIzation. He goes to MTL and right away move him to wing and has his best yr by far. I still like Dach to be useful but if he ain't playing center I don't know how much his skillset brings.

Same goes for all in the system though. If they think Del Mastro, Moore, Lardis, Ludwinski ain't the goods move the kid at his highest value. ...... Easy on paper I guess but I do like the thinking.

No, we won't know for a good while but my point is I like the approach/process and thinking by KD. Move a player before it's known he ain't that good after all when his value is the highest........ Personally I like what Dach brings but it hasn't clicked even though this guy was horribly mismanaged by the Hawk's organIzation. He goes to MTL and right away move him to wing and has his best yr by far. I still like Dach to be useful but if he ain't playing center I don't know how much his skillset brings.

Same goes for all in the system though. If they think Del Mastro, Moore, Lardis, Ludwinski ain't the goods move the kid at his highest value. ...... Easy on paper I guess but I do like the thinking.
- Mr Ricochet

I addressed Dots’ assertion that KD sold high on Dach. My point was never about approaches or processes. Right not we don’t know if KD sold high, do we? Hopefully Dots is right.

If the Hawks draft a d-man with their selection my preference would be Levshunov then D!ckinson. That being said, I hope they pick a scorer with their pick and a RHD with Tampa's.
- DarthKane

Thing is with so many Dmen rated so highly, a great draft for Dmen, it spreads out the risk of drafting a bust. ....... I see some Doughty in Levshunov, some Shea Weber in D!ckenson and Karlsson in Parekh but think he's better defensively than Karlsson.

As much as I want to see Celebrini, Lindstrom or Eiserman a Hawk I really like quite a few Dmen in the top 10ish of this draft. ....

I addressed Dots’ assertion that KD sold high on Dach. My point was never about approaches or processes. Right not we don’t know if KD sold high, do we? Hopefully Dots is right.
- paulr

And I addressed you, point being is IMO he did sell high on Dach and that sale took a process and that I liked it. If you wanna throw out the process, approach or thinking part or fail to see any connection of that in the transaction omit process/approach/thinking ...... And no, we'll never know will we cuz Dach never played in a KD regime. He might have put up 60 pts in LR's/KD's first yr or 25 pts.

You know out of curiosity was Vlasic ever rated a top 50 prospect in the league? I think he was never rated that high in our own system maybe 7th?

He's arguably the best damn defenseman on this team, so rankings are nice things to debate but Vlasic looks like he's going to be a better offensive version of Nik Hjalmarsson. So many didn't see that coming including me.

Why?
- paulr

For one, I don’t understand why hockey players don’t protect their faces.

I just think it would be cool if he made safety cool for kids that look up to him. Plus I’m sure he initially got short for it and it would be cool if he just lit up the league with it on.

For one, I don’t understand why hockey players don’t protect their faces.

I just think it would be cool if he made safety cool for kids that look up to him. Plus I’m sure he initially got short for it and it would be cool if he just lit up the league with it on.
- Chunk

Interesting, I’d never considered those points.

For one, I don’t understand why hockey players don’t protect their faces.

I just think it would be cool if he made safety cool for kids that look up to him. Plus I’m sure he initially got short for it and it would be cool if he just lit up the league with it on.
- Chunk

He would get chirped mercilessly every game if he was wearing it just out of precaution.

He would get chirped mercilessly every game if he was wearing it just out of precaution.
- Dieselhead

Which would make it that much better when he schooled the league.

Pretty sure he made the Swiss World Junior team.
- paulr

He was at the centre position in the tournelocker y, and was Cleary a leader of that locker room...

That's why i think Levshunov instead of Parekh will be ranked higher on the Blackhawks draft board
- BetweenTheDots

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If he skated defensively as well as Makar, I would say he is lock...but I can't.
There is another kid names Carter Yakemchuk in the same boat with Makar comparison. (like 98% of the National Hockey League doesn't reach that bar.)
Is is essential Kyle from Chicago gets this one right? That he wouldn't swing for the fences at an offense first defender?
I guess a lot depends upon what parts of Korchinski's (and I guess Sam Rinzel) games are ones they are that Parekh excels above them in...Soupy Campbell should be a good judge of these defenders, right?

Dots:
If they have to go defense, I believe it won’t necessarily be BPA , but best RH Dee-man, I can see Carter Yakemchuk off the board - quickly, I have him at slot #12, in those top 4 picks I refuse to not include Eiserman.
Carter Yakemchuk
I wouldn’t count out the big kid to go higher.
Here is my evaluation of my 7 round mock on lines.com:
One of the most interesting right handed defenseman in the draft class, after potting 19 goals last season. He is a big tall aggressive force with a high skill level, and loves the puck on his stick in the offensive end. Plays with pace, and has puck-handling skill to beat forecheckers easily. Uses his feet aggressively on the attack. He forces the play in the offensive end, pinching down hard on the wall to apply pressure and maintain puck possession. Dances laterally on the blue line to gain separation and give himself space and time to find the shooting lanes. While his defensive game is a work in progress, he puts in a visible effort around the confines of his end. Possesses the physicality and effort to be effective defensively in his own end, and off the rush, but that's not his calling card. His occasional defensive lapses, and his occasional neutral zone stutter are all that is holding him back from being considered an elite prospect. His work level, size, and lateral movement are such that he projects as eventually being an asset in his own end also. He is electric and there seems to be a magnet that pulls him straight to the opposing net at all times he is has the puck on his stick. He is the closest thing this draft has to a gunslinger, and is in the running for the backliner who generates the most offense this season. He has elite offensive instincts that his skating, puck skills, and a lethal point shot allow him to make the most of.

The Hawk brass will never admit any position preference if the big boys at forward vaporize before they pick, but right now, who is to say that whichever teams are drafting 2, 3, HAVE and forward locked in?

The Sharks have a 22 yr old Shakir Mukhamadullin , a LD, so I can see them easily thinking Artyom Levshunov, or LD Anton Silayev, a player I think a lot of teams will think twice about by passing.

So lets just say the Sharks go 3rd, because TWO TEAMS win the two lottery [/I]slots, let's guess they take 1) Celebrini, 2) Silayev--under the current circumstances I cannot see ME selecting this really good giant and dealing with language, eventual arrival date, and the fact no one is sure this a player equally able of handling phases of offensive attack. I guess that could also be said about Artyom Levshunov, but you know he speaks English, and IS already here[/I]


So with hawks at Lottery Slot #4
1) Celebrini, 2) Silayev, 3) Levshunov and (4)
I think there is a chance both Cayden Lindstrom and Cole Eiserman---nah, I don't believe that really. I think one will be there and I am taking him.

Thing is with so many Dmen rated so highly, a great draft for Dmen, it spreads out the risk of drafting a bust. ....... I see some Doughty in Levshunov, some Shea Weber in D!ckenson and Karlsson in Parekh but think he's better defensively than Karlsson.

As much as I want to see Celebrini, Lindstrom or Eiserman a Hawk I really like quite a few Dmen in the top 10ish of this draft. ....
- Mr Ricochet

Drafting in the top 5 will bring the Hawks another quality prospect. While I’d prefer a goal scoring forward, I’d be ok with one of the top D prospects.

Drafting in the top 5 will bring the Hawks another quality prospect. While I’d prefer a goal scoring forward, I’d be ok with one of the top D prospects.
- DarthKane

Wouldn't you rather trade that top 5 pick with Jones's contract to obtain more glorious cap space to weaponize at next year's trade deadline when the Hawks are making a run?

Thing is with so many Dmen rated so highly, a great draft for Dmen, it spreads out the risk of drafting a bust. ....... I see some Doughty in Levshunov, some Shea Weber in D!ckenson and Karlsson in Parekh but think he's better defensively than Karlsson.

As much as I want to see Celebrini, Lindstrom or Eiserman a Hawk I really like quite a few Dmen in the top 10ish of this draft. ....
- Mr Ricochet

The best draft year of defenseman was certainly 2008 but I always wonder why the order of selections never syncs up with the prospects pro careers.
Only point I am trying to make is..Was the NHL team thinking/scouting so different in what the 18 yr. versions of the players in that draft class WERE THEN in JUNIOR so some projections were more hot air while other had ignored traits & qualities?

In the top ten
Drew Doughty LA
Zach Bogosian Atlanta
Alex Pietrangelo St Louis
Luke Schenn Toronto

In the 11-20 area
Tyler Myers Vanc
Erik Karlsson Ottawa
Jake Gardiner Anaheim
Michael del Zotto NY R

In the 21-30 area
John Carlson WAS

Roman Josi 38

We see which ones LASTED longer

There are lots of other lesser lights whose names you would recall besides these noted classmates.

The above is my Rubik's cube..explain why the ordeer taken IS the order taken

The best draft year of defenseman was certainly 2008 but I always wonder why the order of selections never syncs up with the prospects pro careers.
Only point I am trying to make is..Was the NHL team thinking/scouting so different in what the 18 yr. versions of the players in that draft class WERE THEN in JUNIOR so some projections were more hot air while other had ignored traits & qualities?

In the top ten
Drew Doughty LA
Zach Bogosian Atlanta
Alex Pietrangelo St Louis
Luke Schenn Toronto

In the 11-20 area
Tyler Myers Vanc
Erik Karlsson Ottawa
Jake Gardiner Anaheim
Michael del Zotto NY R

In the 21-30 area
John Carlson WAS

Roman Josi 38

We see which ones LASTED longer

There are lots of other lesser lights whose names you would recall besides these noted classmates.

The above is my Rubik's cube..explain why the ordeer taken IS the order taken
- wiz1901

Cuz we are all human beings and generally fall back to default and the safety of size and skating? We tell ourselves if this big smooth skating kid doesn't reach his ceiling his floor is high? That if a Parekh or Boqvist doesn't reach his ceiling he'll bust?......... And with that in mind will Parekh end up being the guy to have out of this group 15 yrs from now or will he be a better Boqvist? And is what Byram doing in BUF gonna have an effect on the 2024 draft?

To your point Wiz, is there a person who matters that has the balls to take a Parekh ahead of Lev, D!ckenson or Siliyev? Hell, I'm not sure I have the guts to do so for my fantasy team!!!... I'm positive that damn Parekh kid is keeping up all kinds of people who draw an NHL paycheck up at night and will continue to do so until he's off the board.

Good post Wiz, and as always thank you for the effort.

And Wiz, have you noticed the MI State coach flip flopping right shot Levshunov and his left shot D partner for faceoffs in the Ozone? ...... Lev is a RS and his partner is a LS yet coach flips both of them to their weak sides on Ozone draws.

Never saw this done before but it does speak to the confidence coach has in both those kids to play their weak sides.

I agree with Dots regardless of how Nazar or Dach pan out. Sure, I'm hopin Dach does well but Nazar better but the trade of Dach for the 13th overall was good work by KD IMO.

I think the board has discussed the need for an organIzation to learn which of their prospects are gonna hit and which aren't. The trick is knowing which won't before the rest of the league and move those kids then, at their highest value.

That's what KD did with Dach. Now, KD may end up being wrong, he couldn't have been sure Nazar would be on the board at 13, or maybe the kid he hoped would be there wasn't, but the process was sound.. Move a kid we don't think is gonna make it in the Bigs, or with us, and get as much as we can for him.

Considering Dach's time with the Hawks I thought KD did well to get a 13th and in fact if he kept him another yr and he stunk some more, I know he played under Colliton, and/or another yr of funk outa Dach and highly unlikely he gets better than a 13th overall.

And looking at that draft should KD have taken McGroarty who was taken right after Nazar? McGroarty is lookin beastly. A power forward with 50 in 31 at U of MI this yr and FOUR WJC's, dominating this yrs. https://www.eliteprospect...raft/nhl-entry-draft/2022
- Mr Ricochet

How many of McGroarty's goals in the world jrs were set up by Nazar?

For those interested over at Dobber they talk about Hertyl and LVG at the TDL https://dobberhockey.com/...peg-guentzel-to-carolina/

"Maybe this works out great, or maybe the number of games played on these players begins to show itself and this club looks like an ICU come next season. They'll look to have around $8 in cap space come this summer and it will be interesting how they designate that with Chandler Stephenson and newly acquired Anthony Mantha due up, along with another newly acquired blueliner that we'll touch on momentarily".