Bottom line was the Hawks screwed up on Forsling. Easy as that, no mystery to it. Everyone with eyes knew he had upside and they didn't wait for him to develop. D-men take time.

Last night was no surprise. While the Kings are pretenders rather than contenders, they have a lot more to play for to try and keep their playoff position. Odds are they will make it in that 3rd or wildcard spot, they can't afford to be complacent.

The Hawks will have a difficult time trying to hang close with deeper teams who have more to play for at this point.

Good example of why it’s ok to be patient with some of our younger players vs the instant gratification some seem to be anticipating here.

Don’t really recall many if any lamenting his departure when it occurred though.
- HawkintheD

You know that’s not how is works here. Prospects must be jettisoned as soon as they stop performing at all-star levels. If they succeed on other teams it’s standard operating procedure to blame the GM for giving up too early.

Get with the program D, I expect more from you.

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Forsling had a very strange-ish time in Chicago. He had parts of two season where he played very well and then for some reason, injury or loss of confidence, he really struggled.
- Elbows15

Jeremy Colliton took over after 15 games that season.

Arizona: Hawks score 7 goals - no Reichel
Anaheim: Hawks score 7 goals - no Reichel
LA: Hawks score 0 goals - Reichel recalled

Coincidence that the offense dries-up with Reichel on the team???

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We ran him out of town cuz he was a bum. Now that’s he’s good, management should have kept him.
- paulr

Also, Q was the fellow who wasn't fond of young Fosling, iirc.

Also, Q was the fellow who wasn't fond of young Fosling, iirc.
- mohel

So it was the coaching staff and management’s fault.

Jeremy Colliton took over after 15 games that season.
- breadbag

He still played well for Colliton but i think that was the season he got injured and once he came back, it was like he forgot how to play.

Also, Q was the fellow who wasn't fond of young Fosling, iirc.
- mohel

Q was playing him close to 20 minutes a night and giving him middling match-ups. He was eventually sent down cause his play fell off a cliff.

Played a little less under JC but the same thing happened in that season. Started ot playing really well and his play fell off a cliff yet again.

Then he was moved to Carolina and the rest is his history.

You are not allowed to like a prospect because it becomes you believe them to be a future star.
- Elbows15

Just me or anyone? 😂

I always find the game to game emotional swings silly. Especially now when everyone knows that the team is poop.

Just watch the games and try to find the improvements in the young guys. If there isn’t any, hopefully you see them learn from their mistakes.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game last night, i guess i don't understand why some think we are going to be good all of a sudden. Looks like for now we are beating teams at our water level, which is a positive step. I think this is the first match up between these 2 teams this year. Maybe they play them better next time, maybe not.
- BetweenTheDots

They played 3 teams about as good or worse than them recently. The Kings have a decent team and looked like they weren't messing around.

While maybe not "good" all of a sudden they can certainly be more competitive with a few adds at the top of the roster and not be embarrassingly bad.

Just me or anyone? 😂

I always find the game to game emotional swings silly. Especially now when everyone knows that the team is poop.

Just watch the games and try to find the improvements in the young guys. If there isn’t any, hopefully you see them learn from their mistakes.
- Chunk

Anyone with an opinion.

Except there really aren't any young guys aside from 3 or maybe 4 if you count plugs like Raddysh, Anderson and that ilk. I don't but that is my opinion.

They played 3 teams about as good or worse than them recently. The Kings have a decent team and looked like they weren't messing around.

While maybe not "good" all of a sudden they can certainly be more competitive with a few adds at the top of the roster and not be embarrassingly bad.
- fattybeef

Embarrassingly bad?

Like anything in life when you start over. This team for this year and the next is about consistent solid shifts. I agree bring in some more NHL talent, keep adding young talent and grow this team from the inside out. One can say this team embarrassed the Yotes and the Ducks, but they are going through the same process.

There are a few NHL clubs that appear to be building good teams. One in particular looks intriguing, Montreal, they have a few younger guys, Slavkovsky, Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Newhook, Guhle, Arber Xhekaj. Then they have a bunch of prospects Owen Beck, Lane Hutson, David Reinbacher and Florian Xhekaj. There’s skill, speed and some size. And the Xhekaj brothers are going to wreak havoc, we’ve already seen Arber play physically and take on all comers but watch out for his brother Florian. I’ve watched him allot this season and he’s taken a game based almost exclusively on physicality to a good fast physical winger who’s putting up a point a game alongside Nick Lardis’ Brantford Buldogs. And Florian is meaner than Arber. If the Canadiens should luck out in the lottery and are able to draft Celebrini they have the real potential to have the team to beat in the next few years.

They played 3 teams about as good or worse than them recently. The Kings have a decent team and looked like they weren't messing around.

While maybe not "good" all of a sudden they can certainly be more competitive with a few adds at the top of the roster and not be embarrassingly bad.
- fattybeef

Plus, the Kings lost the night before in STL. They were pissed they let 2 important points ( to them) get away and made damn sure it didn’t happen again.

He still played well for Colliton but i think that was the season he got injured and once he came back, it was like he forgot how to play.
- Elbows15

Frosling had a huge shot, but then he broke his wrist and that was a problem. Initially I thought he could be the next Doug Wilson for the hawks. Didn't turn out that way. Took quite a while but it looks like he's got it going. Good for him.

You know that’s not how is works here. Prospects must be jettisoned as soon as they stop performing at all-star levels. If they succeed on other teams it’s standard operating procedure to blame the GM for giving up too early.

Get with the program D, I expect more from you.

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- DarthKane

Damian Cox wrote a piece for The Toronto Star and surely the topic reverberates throughout all of the hockey crazed provinces in Canada

Is it time for Sidney Crisby to move on, for his good as well as the good of the franchise

The Penguins compete level since the Guentzel trade has been woeful, inadequate, despicable. In fact Cox says moreover that " the team has :just given up" and ....."can't wait for the season to end."

Clearly the strategy to win by adding Karlsson to the aging cast of stars whose glory days have passed has proven to be catastrophic. Dubas realized too that paying Guentzell big money in a new contract just was not doable

Cox goes on to explain the affect upon the Penguins:
The team was sinking, not rising up to the challenge of squeezing into the playoffs. Now the Penguins have no other choice but to tear down, to rebuild and surely they will suffer painfully with a lot of loosing just like Montreal and Chicago have experienced,

I just cannot but wonder what owner and or what GM would embrace Crosby

Crosby has value still as his season has brought good numbers statistically at age 36
Cox suggests that Crosby can still play and would bring a winning pedigree to a new team

Cox's conclusion is to do yourself and the Penguins a solid by moving to another team

The haul may not be all that is hoped for.
Dubas has traded away too much futures and the Penguins have not had a top ten drafted player for a very very long time

Have to start the breakdown, indeed
We in Chicago know the feeling of hanging around too long Cortese of Stan Bowman..Whether Rocky wanted to squeeze more winning out of his stars and relayed that to Bowman, is something g we can only guess may have legs, may have been true.

But just what owner and or GM embraces Crosby?
Maybe the NYI with Roy pushing buttons would gamble their older base can profit by adding Crosby

The NYI aren't as old or declining like the Penguins
I am not suggesting that the NYI go after Crosby..Just a thought maybe they would
.
Because off the top of my head I don't see many suitors

Some shrewd GM's are.aware Crosby probably is going to be available but I am going to say they will not be stumbling over each other for Sid the older Kid even if he can still perform well[/img]

Damian Cox wrote a piece for The Toronto Star and surely the topic reverberates throughout all of the hockey crazed provinces in Canada

Is it time for Sidney Crisby to move on, for his good as well as the good of the franchise

The Penguins compete level since the Guentzel trade has been woeful, inadequate, despicable. In fact Cox says moreover that " the team has :just given up" and ....."can't wait for the season to end."

Clearly the strategy to win by adding Karlsson to the aging cast of stars whose glory days have passed has proven to be catastrophic. Dubas realized too that paying Guentzell big money in a new contract just was not doable

Cox goes on to explain the affect upon the Penguins:
The team was sinking, not rising up to the challenge of squeezing into the playoffs. Now the Penguins have no other choice but to tear down, to rebuild and surely they will suffer painfully with a lot of loosing just like Montreal and Chicago have experienced,

I just cannot but wonder what owner and or what GM would embrace Crosby

Crosby has value still as his season has brought good numbers statistically at age 36
Cox suggests that Crosby can still play and would bring a winning pedigree to a new team

Cox's conclusion is to do yourself and the Penguins a solid by moving to another team

The haul may not be all that is hoped for.
Dubas has traded away too much futures and the Penguins have not had a top ten drafted player for a very very long time

Have to start the breakdown, indeed
We in Chicago know the feeling of hanging around too long Cortese of Stan Bowman..Whether Rocky wanted to squeeze more winning out of his stars and relayed that to Bowman, is something g we can only guess may have legs, may have been true.

But just what owner and or GM embraces Crosby?
Maybe the NYI with Roy pushing buttons would gamble their older base can profit by adding Crosby

The NYI aren't as old or declining like the Penguins
I am not suggesting that the NYI go after Crosby..Just a thought maybe they would
.
Because off the top of my head I don't see many suitors

Some shrewd GM's are.aware Crosby probably is going to be available but I am going to say they will not be stumbling over each other for Sid the older Kid even if he can still perform well
- jhawk59[/img]

Crosby for Tavares and a 2nd. Dubas gets to keep chewing on that ridiculous contract that he gifted to Tavaras, and Crosby can teach the Leafs how to compete. Both contracts expire at the end of next season.

I am watching Mich. St. and Ohio St. Number 5 for Mich St. is an absolute beast. He is a defenseman. Can't pronounce his name.

Edit: It sounds like his name is Levshunov. Announcers said that there are a lot of scouts there looking at him. He has a great plus/minus.

Bottom line was the Hawks screwed up on Forsling. Easy as that, no mystery to it. Everyone with eyes knew he had upside and they didn't wait for him to develop. D-men take time.

Last night was no surprise. While the Kings are pretenders rather than contenders, they have a lot more to play for to try and keep their playoff position. Odds are they will make it in that 3rd or wildcard spot, they can't afford to be complacent.

The Hawks will have a difficult time trying to hang close with deeper teams who have more to play for at this point.
- breadbag

More a casualty of "win now" and getting a poor result from the GM \ professional scouting department not dissimilar to some of the other moves made during that time frame.

That iteration of the front office was very bad at evaluating players in the system and even worse at other orgs players on professional contracts though they weren't abhorrent at drafting talent.

Oops.

Though to be fair Vancouver gave him away and Carolina didn't want to keep him around so it's not like they were the only ones that missed there.

Damian Cox wrote a piece for The Toronto Star and surely the topic reverberates throughout all of the hockey crazed provinces in Canada

Is it time for Sidney Crisby to move on, for his good as well as the good of the franchise

The Penguins compete level since the Guentzel trade has been woeful, inadequate, despicable. In fact Cox says moreover that " the team has :just given up" and ....."can't wait for the season to end."

Clearly the strategy to win by adding Karlsson to the aging cast of stars whose glory days have passed has proven to be catastrophic. Dubas realized too that paying Guentzell big money in a new contract just was not doable

Cox goes on to explain the affect upon the Penguins:
The team was sinking, not rising up to the challenge of squeezing into the playoffs. Now the Penguins have no other choice but to tear down, to rebuild and surely they will suffer painfully with a lot of loosing just like Montreal and Chicago have experienced,

I just cannot but wonder what owner and or what GM would embrace Crosby

Crosby has value still as his season has brought good numbers statistically at age 36
Cox suggests that Crosby can still play and would bring a winning pedigree to a new team

Cox's conclusion is to do yourself and the Penguins a solid by moving to another team

The haul may not be all that is hoped for.
Dubas has traded away too much futures and the Penguins have not had a top ten drafted player for a very very long time

Have to start the breakdown, indeed
We in Chicago know the feeling of hanging around too long Cortese of Stan Bowman..Whether Rocky wanted to squeeze more winning out of his stars and relayed that to Bowman, is something g we can only guess may have legs, may have been true.

But just what owner and or GM embraces Crosby?
Maybe the NYI with Roy pushing buttons would gamble their older base can profit by adding Crosby

The NYI aren't as old or declining like the Penguins
I am not suggesting that the NYI go after Crosby..Just a thought maybe they would
.
Because off the top of my head I don't see many suitors

Some shrewd GM's are.aware Crosby probably is going to be available but I am going to say they will not be stumbling over each other for Sid the older Kid even if he can still perform well
- jhawk59[/img]

He's still a PPG player and proven winner so probably any team that can afford him...

Damian Cox wrote a piece for The Toronto Star and surely the topic reverberates throughout all of the hockey crazed provinces in Canada

Is it time for Sidney Crisby to move on, for his good as well as the good of the franchise

The Penguins compete level since the Guentzel trade has been woeful, inadequate, despicable. In fact Cox says moreover that " the team has :just given up" and ....."can't wait for the season to end."

Clearly the strategy to win by adding Karlsson to the aging cast of stars whose glory days have passed has proven to be catastrophic. Dubas realized too that paying Guentzell big money in a new contract just was not doable

Cox goes on to explain the affect upon the Penguins:
The team was sinking, not rising up to the challenge of squeezing into the playoffs. Now the Penguins have no other choice but to tear down, to rebuild and surely they will suffer painfully with a lot of loosing just like Montreal and Chicago have experienced,

I just cannot but wonder what owner and or what GM would embrace Crosby

Crosby has value still as his season has brought good numbers statistically at age 36
Cox suggests that Crosby can still play and would bring a winning pedigree to a new team

Cox's conclusion is to do yourself and the Penguins a solid by moving to another team

The haul may not be all that is hoped for.
Dubas has traded away too much futures and the Penguins have not had a top ten drafted player for a very very long time

Have to start the breakdown, indeed
We in Chicago know the feeling of hanging around too long Cortese of Stan Bowman..Whether Rocky wanted to squeeze more winning out of his stars and relayed that to Bowman, is something g we can only guess may have legs, may have been true.

But just what owner and or GM embraces Crosby?
Maybe the NYI with Roy pushing buttons would gamble their older base can profit by adding Crosby

The NYI aren't as old or declining like the Penguins
I am not suggesting that the NYI go after Crosby..Just a thought maybe they would
.
Because off the top of my head I don't see many suitors

Some shrewd GM's are.aware Crosby probably is going to be available but I am going to say they will not be stumbling over each other for Sid the older Kid even if he can still perform well
- jhawk59[/img]

Isn’t it more where Crosby would want to go, more so than where Dubas would get the most return?

I would be happy the hawks paying for Solderblom to paint his with Blackhawk RED.
- wiz1901

I was thinking more like the Kings and the Knights ... goalies-- I always just let do their thing ... but fair point I guess.

In my mind, a guy who plays four years of college hockey = a guy who plays four years in the CHL. If I were a betting man, my money would be on that last night WAS the highlight of his career...
- Beaver-Warrior

Nah - can't be- tradition has it that you need that one minor to become statistically relevant- so he needs to trip someone in front of the ref.

But ... soon.

Probably some disenchanted fans in Pittsburgh

First they get Fields from Chicago Bears. Although, he only cost either a 4th or 6th round pick determined by how much Fields plays

Next Crosby is dealt

Not good times in Pittsburgh