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- paulr

I agree, but I'm sure with a caveat, no russians in russia

If he's so good that one is willing to give up a promising young dman then just draft him with the 1st pick we have, i still rather take Levshunov or Yakemchuk i want my dmen to have some size to them

That's wild we are talking about how we need a big forward then we are talking about a small defenseman.
- BetweenTheDots

It goes back to filling holes vs taking the BPA. The Hawks have a crap ton of size on the backend right now. They have less of that (at least high end potential) in the forward ranks.

I get the sentiment, but don't agree with it. If you are trading either of Vlasic or KK, you better be getting an NHL player back right now.

It goes back to filling holes vs taking the BPA. The Hawks have a crap ton of size on the backend right now. They have less of that (at least high end potential) in the forward ranks.

I get the sentiment, but don't agree with it. If you are trading either of Vlasic or KK, you better be getting an NHL player back right now.
- Chunk

I still say no to Vlasic and Korchinski and i agree with Paul, BPA, unless they are Russian in Russia

I agree, but I'm sure with a caveat, no russians in russia
- BetweenTheDots

No Russians in Russia?

I still say no to Vlasic and Korchinski and i agree with Paul, BPA, unless they are Russian in Russia
- BetweenTheDots

Ahhhh I got it

Are you asking because of the logjam at LD, or because you think he is better than either?

Personally, I think if you are trading KK or Vlasic, you should be getting an NHL player back.
- Chunk

Could be the combination of the LD logjam or what KD and staff think about Parekh being better down the road than KK or Vlasic.

Here's another scenario. Hawks take Lindstrom or a D early on and Eiserman is available at 9 or 10. Do you trade one of these LD prospects and the Lightning pick to move up and get a scoring forward. Remember, the opposing GM will most likely want a NHLer for that high pick, since the TB pick at 18-20 is less likely to get a starter down the road.

For the drafts 2015-2018 I looked at the top 10 draft choices, and how many are with the original teams, whether never made it, left via free agency, trade, etc.

2015 1 of 10
2016 2 of 10
2017 5 of 10
2018 6 of 10.

It appears that the other GM's are consistently evaluating their team and trying to improve, rather than stockpiling cattle like a livestock performance show.
- LAHawk

How many years before these players were moved?

Could be the combination of the LD logjam or what KD and staff think about Parekh being better down the road than KK or Vlasic.

Here's another scenario. Hawks take Lindstrom or a D early on and Eiserman is available at 9 or 10. Do you trade one of these LD prospects and the Lightning pick to move up and get a scoring forward. Remember, the opposing GM will most likely want a NHLer for that high pick, since the TB pick at 18-20 is less likely to get a starter down the road.
- boilermaker100

Here's my thing. The Hawks have the benefit of patience with their prospects (especially at LD). If someone wants one of them, I'd put it at a premium. I don't think you just trade them for the benefit of moving up 10 spots in the draft. This goes back to my point of needing to start actually building something instead of just hoarding prospects.

If someone like Pinto was available, I would not be opposed to trading one of the LD's for him (especially since they won't have room for all of them). Of course I have my favorites as to which ones I'd be more open to trading, but that's how I'd look at it.

Because he always seems to have a goalie problem?
- LAHawk

I think he's taking swings on quantity over quality. Looking to snag a Hellybuyck in the 5th rd. ..... Some are a big no on drafting goalies in rd 1.

Could be the combination of the LD logjam or what KD and staff think about Parekh being better down the road than KK or Vlasic.

Here's another scenario. Hawks take Lindstrom or a D early on and Eiserman is available at 9 or 10. Do you trade one of these LD prospects and the Lightning pick to move up and get a scoring forward. Remember, the opposing GM will most likely want a NHLer for that high pick, since the TB pick at 18-20 is less likely to get a starter down the road.
- boilermaker100

It depends on which young LD you’re moving. As of today, I would not trade any of Allan, Del Mastro, KK, or Vlasic unless I was blown away, but that could change. As far as your first trade scenario(Parekh), I would not include KK or Vlasic in that trade. The only drawback to these young Dmen is that they’re all LD, all things being equal a RD has more value than a LD.

Seems to not be deterred AT ALL to drafting Russians either.
- Chunk

It seems some NHL organIzations literally have Euro scouts on the ground in Russia and trust not only the on ice evaluations but off ice as well. Like, is the kid likely to come over to NA.

If he's so good that one is willing to give up a promising young dman then just draft him with the 1st pick we have, i still rather take Levshunov or Yakemchuk i want my dmen to have some size to them

That's wild we are talking about how we need a big forward then we are talking about a small defenseman.
- BetweenTheDots

Cuz I wanna walk away with Celebrini or Lindstrom or Eiserman AND Parekh for KK and the 20th. I'm greedy.

Why a "small" 6ft Parekh? He might have an 80 pt ceiling, KK does not, and he's a right shot. ....... Take a look at Sam Richardson. At 18 he controls the game both while in play and not at 6ft 3in 220 and finished 2nd in the skating contest of the OHL Top Prospect weekend!!! Not against Dmen he finished 2nd, against all OHL hockey players. ..... All this guy needs is a bit more edge and one might see a Shea Weber. .. LS though.

I agree, but I'm sure with a caveat, no russians in russia
- BetweenTheDots

A Cossack who you have rated at 4 and he's there at 12??? Pull the trigger on the move up for the soon to be Soviet.

You can shake off misses in the teens of rd 1 but not top 5-6-7.

Cuz I wanna walk away with Celebrini or Lindstrom or Eiserman AND Parekh for KK and the 20th. I'm greedy.

Why a "small" 6ft Parekh? He might have an 80 pt ceiling, KK does not, and he's a right shot. ....... Take a look at Sam Richardson. At 18 he controls the game both while in play and not at 6ft 3in 220 and finished 2nd in the skating contest of the OHL Top Prospect weekend!!! Not against Dmen he finished 2nd, against all OHL hockey players. ..... All this guy needs is a bit more edge and one might see a Shea Weber. .. LS though.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm not that much of a river boat gambler. I like what i see in KK, young cost controlled player who's swimming in the deep end and holding his own. If i were trading KK there's no way i include the 20th pick. Then again I'm not trading KK.

A Cossack who you have rated at 4 and he's there at 12??? Pull the trigger on the move up for the soon to be Soviet.

You can shake off misses in the teens of rd 1 but not top 5-6-7.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm good with that but not at top 4.

Why not put more talent on… because it’s not available. The studs get resigned or get sign & traded. The 29 year olds on 8x8s are more miss than hit, and usually hamstring their team’s cap for years. We have only one albatross contract and it’s refreshing.
- ObeseOprah

Which 29 year old on an 8x8 contract on a good team is a problem? I think this is way overblown. Even Jones won't be a problem.

Benn and Seguin haven't aged well BUT they are a first place team and have recently made a cup final. And Dallas seems to make all the right moves.

Stone can't seem to stay healthy but that is still a cup contending team and they won last year.

Tavares hit a bit of a dip this year but I don't think you could say he's detrimental to the team getting results. Cap management is a separate issue but it probably won't impact them being able to resign Marner.

Meier hasn't had a great year but he's not egregiously far off from his average and the team has had some major injury issues to overcome.

Troubda is a wanker but he fills a role on a good team.

There's not a lot of back breaking 8 million + dollar contracts.

Anders Lee is probably a guy they overvalued and paid too much. Kevin Hayes is probably not great money at 7 millions.

Certainly theyre not going to pay TT 8 million dollars per year. Thats ridiculous. No one will pay him that. The last time he played 82 games was 5 years ago. But giving him 6x5 is probably not unreasonable. DeBrusk at 7x6 or maybe 6.5 wouldn't be horrid. Depending on what Carolina does Necas could be available.

They have the money so they can throw 20 million over two years for Stamkos or Marchessault that wouldn't cause any problems for "the future" or whatever.

Bedard is in his own category but I just don't see them having to give a lot of paper to a lot of guys on their second deals. Maybe Nazar or Moore but probably not both.

For the drafts 2015-2018 I looked at the top 10 draft choices, and how many are with the original teams, whether never made it, left via free agency, trade, etc.

2015 1 of 10
2016 2 of 10
2017 5 of 10
2018 6 of 10.

It appears that the other GM's are consistently evaluating their team and trying to improve, rather than stockpiling cattle like a livestock performance show.
- LAHawk

Unless there is a Bedard or McDavid or Crosby year where a few teams just unload to try to be that bad - you are correct.

The league is still built on gate sales and most people aren't going to walk through the door to see poop consistently so unless you're Arizona there is some motivation to put together a decent product on the ice.

Interesting discussions, thanks!

Just looked it up, the 2010 SC team had 12 Blackhawk draftees on the roster, plus 2 undrafted players.

Bickell, Bolland, Brouwer, Burish, Byfuglien (one of the scouts most have had a thing for the letter B), Kane, Skille, Toews, Hjalmarsson, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford, Hendry, Niemi
- scottak

That's what you call an outlier.

It depends on which young LD you’re moving. As of today, I would not trade any of Allan, Del Mastro, KK, or Vlasic unless I was blown away, but that could change. As far as your first trade scenario(Parekh), I would not include KK or Vlasic in that trade. The only drawback to these young Dmen is that they’re all LD, all things being equal a RD has more value than a LD.
- Angotti

Other than Vlasic - none of them are NHL commodities and all expendable if a proven goal scorer or player in general is available like that.

They need to be ruthless and not have some arbitrary untouchable list especially if there is what looks like high end NHL talent on the block.

LR going with the Korchinski-Megna pairing again tonight. Let's see if KK shows some of that physicality he's been told to exhibit.

LR going with the Korchinski-Megna pairing again tonight. Let's see if KK shows some of that physicality he's been told to exhibit.
- boilermaker100

Being physical is the easy part, making a play knowing you’re going to get hit is the tough thing. In the last game Korchinski heard the footsteps and banked the puck off the boards blindly, leading to a goal. Korbustsky has looked a bit timid all season, fully expected for a rookie. I think with time and experience he’ll be fine, he’s shown improvement in almost all aspects of his game already.

I would love to see the Blackhawks bring in Duncan Keith over the summer and work with the dmen, especially his training regimen.

I would love to see the Blackhawks bring in Duncan Keith over the summer and work with the dmen, especially his training regimen.
- BetweenTheDots

Not needed. Seth Jones already knows how to kill his team's power play, he doesn't need Keith to show him anything

Not needed. Seth Jones already knows how to kill his team's power play, he doesn't need Keith to show him anything
- dahawks8819

I mean the kids, show them how hard they have to train to be at the top of their game. If i remember correctly he had 3 SCs and a Conn Smythe

I mean the kids, show them how hard they have to train to be at the top of their game. If i remember correctly he had 3 SCs and a Conn Smythe
- BetweenTheDots

Some guys are good coaches some aren’t and some have no interest. I know Seabrook has an interest in coaching. Do you know if Keith does?