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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 3:24 PM ET
It’s a joke! I would never do it as a GM. Kid will be good next year playing with Karlsson but IMO no where near the impact Smith will have on San Jose.
- jd250



Then you would be just as incompetent as the Flyers were.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 15 @ 3:27 PM ET
the phucked up part is he probably wants to stay!!!!
- hello it's me 2050








Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Apr 15 @ 3:34 PM ET
Gonna be a great night tonight as all these teams win Philly wants to lose
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 15 @ 3:35 PM ET
If the Flyers are truly rebuilding, why should they buy out all 3 players and extend the cap hits? If they're truly rebuilding, why do they need the cap space that buyouts would give initially. If they're truly rebuilding, they should do the opposite. Let the contracts ride out and be completely done with them after next season. Bury all 3 in the AHL.
The Flyers need to stay out of high level UFA's completely.

- MJL


If your briere you put together the BJ line in Allentown. Sign one more ex bj in the summer. See how much it blows.


Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Apr 15 @ 3:38 PM ET
The Flyers have time. Every article I have read says they have until August 15th 2025 to sign him.




https://thehockeynews.com...to-ncaa-scoring-sensation

https://phillyhockeynow.c...spengler-cup-bobby-brink/

- MBFlyerfan


why sign him when you can shop him at the draft.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 15 @ 3:46 PM ET
Happened in Chicago this weekend too. Nazar signed his ELC, will maybe get 2 games, and 1st year is done. GM's willing to do it, because they want to make the top prospects happy, and get them under contract.

It makes so much sense as an extra bargaining chip for the team or motivationfor the player.

- TheFreak


So funny that the Flyers will die on that hill with one of their best prospects but are happy to bend over for Nick Seeler and ND.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 15 @ 3:48 PM ET
The Flyers have time. Every article I have read says they have until August 15th 2025 to sign him.




https://thehockeynews.com...to-ncaa-scoring-sensation

https://phillyhockeynow.c...spengler-cup-bobby-brink/

- MBFlyerfan


22-yo junior. Gotta love it. He'll be 24 by the time he's in the NHL.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 15 @ 3:49 PM ET
Then you would be just as incompetent as the Flyers are.
- MJL



FTFY
BaronVonShiznit
Location: The Desert Southwest
Joined: 09.07.2014

Apr 15 @ 4:04 PM ET
So funny that the Flyers will die on that hill with one of their best prospects but are happy to bend over for Nick Seeler and ND.


- Tomahawk


AMEN!!!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 15 @ 4:04 PM ET
Then you would be just as incompetent as the Flyers were.
- MJL

I’ll let others judge what is more competent, not letting a player dictate terms and set the precedent that for one game an entire year of their ELC is burned, or making them wait until they can get a chance to make the team and start their NHL career.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Apr 15 @ 4:07 PM ET
I would think that Danielson and TK would be the basis for the trade, but additions and tweeks would need to happen.
1-2 years would be great timing for Michkov, no?

- TheFreak

TK plus for Cooley in Arizona/Utah.
Make it happen
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 4:24 PM ET
I’ll let others judge what is more competent, not letting a player dictate terms and set the precedent that for one game an entire year of their ELC is burned, or making them wait until they can get a chance to make the team and start their NHL career.
- jd250


Players dictate terms to teams all the time. That understanding seems to escape you.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 15 @ 4:26 PM ET
Players dictate terms to teams all the time. That understanding seems to escape you.
- MJL

Maybe in other sports but it has not been that way in hockey, at least not at the level of other major sports. But time’s are changing and not for the better. In the end we are not even sure if this was the reason Quitter decided he didn’t want to play for the Flyers so is not worth speculating. It might have been Torts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 4:29 PM ET
Maybe in other sports but it has not been that way in hockey, at least not at the level of other major sports. But time’s are changing and not for the better. In the end we are not even sure if this was the reason Quitter decided he didn’t want to play for the Flyers so is not worth speculating. It might have been Torts.
- jd250


Yes, it is that way in hockey. That understanding seems to escape you.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Apr 15 @ 4:51 PM ET
Happened in Chicago this weekend too. Nazar signed his ELC, will maybe get 2 games, and 1st year is done. GM's willing to do it, because they want to make the top prospects happy, and get them under contract.

It makes so much sense as an extra bargaining chip for the team or motivationfor the player.

- TheFreak


Maybe some GMs learned from the Cutter situation. It’s always a risk when dealing with the whims of an 18 y/o. Not sure, but I think the NBA requires a year of college or a professional league. That may be a better model. A year makes a difference at that age.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 15 @ 4:52 PM ET
Maybe some GMs learned from the Cutter situation. It’s always a risk when dealing with the whims of an 18 y/o. Not sure, but I think the NBA requires a year of college or a professional league. That may be a better model. A year makes a difference at that age.
- Minnyhock



The Flyers did it with Brink so its not like it was unprecedented even in the organization.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 15 @ 4:53 PM ET
Ha ha, I just heard that the league may be expanded to 36 teams in 5 years from now. This take was given on NHL Network (Sirius/XM). There inclusions were SLC, Phoenix (again), Houston, Atlanta (again) and another team not yet identified. I think Buttman and the powers to be may just be losing their collective minds.
TheFreak
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Duncan, BC
Joined: 12.06.2019

Apr 15 @ 4:56 PM ET
I’ll let others judge what is more competent, not letting a player dictate terms and set the precedent that for one game an entire year of their ELC is burned, or making them wait until they can get a chance to make the team and start their NHL career.
- jd250


This is nothing new and has been going on for at least a decade, Players and G's figureout loopholes.

Most GM's are happy their top prospects are wanting to sign with them, and don't care about the 1 year they lose. They still own the rights, and can get to locking them up long term sooner. It's not like the one year is going to free the player up. If they are an elite or top prospect, the management team is going to want to sign their top players to max contracts...it's the way it is.

But nothing precedent setting about this whole situation, next to the team going public and saying what they did with Gauthier. The fuqked up, they lost the player due to their own arrogance, and they public blamed te player for it. They should have just traded the player, said they wanted Drysdale, and moved on.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Apr 15 @ 4:58 PM ET
Ha ha, I just heard that the league may be expanded to 36 teams in 5 years from now. This take was given on NHL Network (Sirius/XM). There inclusions were SLC, Phoenix (again), Houston, Atlanta (again) and another team not yet identified. I think Buttman and the powers to be may just be losing their collective minds.
- Phillywhiteout


Then the NHL can have 8 teams living off or near welfare instead of 6.

Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Apr 15 @ 4:58 PM ET
Players dictate terms to teams all the time. That understanding seems to escape you.
- MJL

Young just drafted players rarely dictate anything. Comparing apples to oranges.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Apr 15 @ 5:00 PM ET
This is nothing new and has been going on for at least a decade, Players and G's figureout loopholes.

Most GM's are happy their top prospects are wanting to sign with them, and don't care about the 1 year they lose. They still own the rights, and can get to locking them up long term sooner. It's not like the one year is going to free the player up. If they are an elite or top prospect, the management team is going to want to sign their top players to max contracts...it's the way it is.

But nothing precedent setting about this whole situation, next to the team going public and saying what they did with Gauthier. The fuqked up, they lost the player due to their own arrogance, and they public blamed te player for it. They should have just traded the player, said they wanted Drysdale, and moved on.

- TheFreak

That would’ve been worse. No one I. Their right mind thinks Drysdale is equal value
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
Ha ha, I just heard that the league may be expanded to 36 teams in 5 years from now. This take was given on NHL Network (Sirius/XM). There inclusions were SLC, Phoenix (again), Houston, Atlanta (again) and another team not yet identified. I think Buttman and the powers to be may just be losing their collective minds.
- Phillywhiteout


Vegas entered the league in 2017 and paid a 500M expansion fee. In 2021, Seattle entered and payed 650M. What is the price now? I'll give you a little bit of time to think about it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 15 @ 5:02 PM ET
Young just drafted players rarely dictate anything. Comparing apples to oranges.
- Stayin alive


You're wrong. Gauthier just did as much as he can. It happens routinely.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Apr 15 @ 5:08 PM ET
I’ll let others judge what is more competent, not letting a player dictate terms and set the precedent that for one game an entire year of their ELC is burned, or making them wait until they can get a chance to make the team and start their NHL career.
- jd250

Dude, the Flyers currently have three players ON THE ROSTER that they burned a year off their ELC for. The fact that this continues to baffle you is alarming.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 15 @ 5:13 PM ET
Players dictate terms to teams all the time. That understanding seems to escape you.
- MJL


Back in the olden days there was a constant parade of stars holding out (sometimes for entire seasons) to extract more money or force trades. Messier, Coffee, Dryden, Peca, Yashin, Stevens, Bure, #88, etc.

Then you had team leaders like Fedorov, Tkachuk and Sakic who signed offer sheets to force their own teams to ante up.

It actually seems like there's less labor strife these days w/ the salary cap. Occasionally get a Nylander or a Cutter, but mostly guys just show up and play.
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