If the Flyers didn't have Michkov there is no question their ranking would be late 20's easily. Other than Bonk everyone else is an absolute crapshoot if they even play in the NHL and stick around.
- Glak18

This is what happens to your prospect pool when you waste a 1st and two 2nds on an overpaid, injury prone 3rd pairing dman like Ristolainen.

This is what happens to your prospect pool when you waste a 1st and two 2nds on an overpaid, injury prone 3rd pairing dman like Ristolainen.
- Feanor

How many 2nds were wasted in the Ghost and TDA trades?

Sucks for you since the new era of orange won't be nearly as good or exciting. In the 10 seasons Giroux and Voracek played together the Flyers were the 14th best regular season team, had the 7th best PP, Giroux was 3rd in the NHL in scoring and Voracek was 15th.

Since then the Flyers are 26th overall, dead last on the PP, and their highest scorer is ranked 81st in the league.
- Feanor

but they were SAWFT

listening to 32 Thoughts a week ago or something and Friedman did say something interesting....a new team that could be in the mix for UFA's and perhaps some immediate hockey help is gonna be Utah. They have a young core developing and with new ownership, they no longer are going to skimp and scrape. It's very possible new ownership wants and expects to have a winner next year.

I wonder if they could be a team that would be interested in TK? Perhaps a trade to get their pick into the top 10??

I absolutely agree. They do have good pieces, but they can't rely on those pieces becoming more than what they are as their main plan. There are teams that have multiple elite players that struggle to get to the next level and the Flyers haven't had 1 in a very very long time.

Farabee-
- Glak18[?]-Foerster
Tippett-Frost-Brink
[?]-Couturier-[?]
Cates-Poehling-Hathaway
Deslauriers

Sanheim-Drysdale
York-[?]
Zamula-Seeler

Ersson
Fedotov

Michkov, Barkey, Bonk in the pipeline. 10 picks the next 2 years Rounds 1-3.

Konecny -> 1st Round pick & prospect
Laughton -> 1st Round pick OR prospect
Atkinson -> Waive / Bury / Buyout
Johansen -> Waive / LTIR / Buyout

Ristolainen -> ???
Ellis -> LTIR

How different would this team be if they had a young elite center that didn't take 3-4 years to develop to hopefully reach their potential in another 2 years?

I don't even think they have to get a Crosby, McDavid type....just a Matthews/Stamkos/Pettersson one. It doesn't necessarily make them a contender, but actually having a line that is a true threat game in and game out.

Ultimately the only way to get that player is be at the bottom of the league for a couple years or get super lucky and get a Aho.

very expensive 4th line for a non contending team

This is what happens to your prospect pool when you waste a 1st and two 2nds on an overpaid, injury prone 3rd pairing dman like Ristolainen.
- Feanor

Their asset management has been terrible throughout their history. Add in the fact they feel they can't be patient and mistakes will happen. They have never gone into a season with a big picture plan....ever.

That's why they always tell the media and fans how the fans have these great expectations, you have to reach high expectations first before you can make them your standard. So instead of accepting a period of dark days until the sun comes out they would rather have consistent overcast days hiding in a bomb shelter.

very expensive 4th line for a non contending team
- hello it's me 2050

The 4th line is the LEAST of their concern.

listening to 32 Thoughts a week ago or something and Friedman did say something interesting....a new team that could be in the mix for UFA's and perhaps some immediate hockey help is gonna be Utah. They have a young core developing and with new ownership, they no longer are going to skimp and scrape. It's very possible new ownership wants and expects to have a winner next year.

I wonder if they could be a team that would be interested in TK? Perhaps a trade to get their pick into the top 10??
- Wingdestroyer

You would have to add to get into the top 10. I don't think TK is going to bring in a 1st rounder in the top 10.

listening to 32 Thoughts a week ago or something and Friedman did say something interesting....a new team that could be in the mix for UFA's and perhaps some immediate hockey help is gonna be Utah. They have a young core developing and with new ownership, they no longer are going to skimp and scrape. It's very possible new ownership wants and expects to have a winner next year.

I wonder if they could be a team that would be interested in TK? Perhaps a trade to get their pick into the top 10??
- Wingdestroyer

TK and Risto for Geekie and 2025 1st?

Sign me up!!

You would have to add to get into the top 10. I don't think TK is going to bring in a 1st rounder in the top 10.
- Flyfly

Utah wants to make a splash in their inaugural season. I could see them possibly moving their 6OA pick for TK and the Florida 1st.

And, if they would be willing to make that move, Briere needs to get it done.

I’d also offer Laughton plus a 2025 2nd (Flyers choose which one) to Buffalo for 11OA. Or Laughton and 12OA to Ottawa for 7OA and Ottawa’s 2024 2nd.

Again, I have no idea if Buffalo, Ottawa or Utah would be willing to make these moves but they are the kind of deals a smart GM should be exploring.

Of course, I have zero evidence that DB is a smart GM.

Listen to this broadcasters round table podcast from today starting at the 15 minute mark where they discuss the Flyers power play. Boucher mirrors what I have posted numerous times about the power play, it's more about the players and how they collaborate with the coach versus just the coaching. Its an insightful discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U59REu1YkOo

Utah wants to make a splash in their inaugural season. I could see them possibly moving their 6OA pick for TK and the Florida 1st.

And, if they would be willing to make that move, Briere needs to get it done.

I’d also offer Laughton plus a 2025 2nd (Flyers choose which one) to Buffalo for 11OA. Or Laughton and 12OA to Ottawa for 7OA and Ottawa’s 2024 2nd.

Again, I have no idea if Buffalo, Ottawa or Utah would be willing to make these moves but they are the kind of deals a smart GM should be exploring.

Of course, I have zero evidence that DB is a smart GM.
- BiggE

Those moves sound good, so the Flyers won't be doing them.

Utah wants to make a splash in their inaugural season. I could see them possibly moving their 6OA pick for TK and the Florida 1st.

And, if they would be willing to make that move, Briere needs to get it done.

I’d also offer Laughton plus a 2025 2nd (Flyers choose which one) to Buffalo for 11OA. Or Laughton and 12OA to Ottawa for 7OA and Ottawa’s 2024 2nd.

Again, I have no idea if Buffalo, Ottawa or Utah would be willing to make these moves but they are the kind of deals a smart GM should be exploring.

Of course, I have zero evidence that DB is a smart GM.
- BiggE

If that were on the table and DB doesn't take that trade we are in trouble. I feel like the Flyers always overvalue their own players. *IF there was a 1st rounder offered for Laughton (as has been said) and they didn't take it I have little faith. There is not a player on the roster today that I would not consider trading in the right deal.

I am with you. Not confident this "New Era" is any different. Love to be wrong but I have not been impressed with the new fornt office.

Listen to this broadcasters round table podcast from today starting at the 15 minute mark where they discuss the Flyers power play. Boucher mirrors what I have posted numerous times about the power play, it's more about the players and how they collaborate with the coach versus just the coaching. Its an insightful discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U59REu1YkOo
- jd250

You agreeing with what an organizational employee says?!?!?!?!?!?

Color me shocked!

If that were on the table and DB doesn't take that trade we are in trouble. I feel like the Flyers always overvalue their own players. *IF there was a 1st rounder offered for Laughton (as has been said) and they didn't take it I have little faith. There is not a player on the roster today that I would not consider trading in the right deal.

I am with you. Not confident this "New Era" is any different. Love to be wrong but I have not been impressed with the new fornt office.
- Flyfly

Look at the seeler and rp extensions

The majority of those prospects, even if they reach their ceiling, are middle six, bottom six talents at best. That is what worries me. IMO there are reasons they were drafted in the 2nd 3rd 4th rounds.

They have Michkov and not much else in terms of game changing talent. Barkey is too small and not a good enough skater to overcome it at the NHL level. Bonk is a 2nd pair guy who will be more of a defensive defenseman in the NHL. His offensive numbers right now are mainly because he is playing the bumper on their PP. Something he won't be doing in the NHL. etc etc.

Wheeler had them ranked 6th and that is all based on Michkov. If he wasn't in the prospect pool they would be ranked in the late teens, low 20's IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

Michkov looks to be the only elite talent unless you believe in Zavgravin but how many elite talents does a team need to win a cup? Generally speaking most Stanley Cup winners have at least three guys who are hall of fame level or near hall of fame level with a bunch of depth. If Michkov is one and one of the goalies is two, the Flyers don’t need that much more if and it’s a big if they have built good depth in the system with high end support types like Foerster and York look like they may become.

The wrong turn at Albuquerque for this organization was Hextall not stripping it to the studs. He wasn’t allowed to imo but I could be wrong.
- StepfordSam

Hextall was also left in cap hell by Homer, and just had it sorted out when they replaced him with Fletcher. Fletcher blew his load on Hayes. Hextall might have missed on some draft picks, but he had the franchise in a good position to move ahead when the time was right...that never came.

Listen to this broadcasters round table podcast from today starting at the 15 minute mark where they discuss the Flyers power play. Boucher mirrors what I have posted numerous times about the power play, it's more about the players and how they collaborate with the coach versus just the coaching. Its an insightful discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U59REu1YkOo
- jd250

You must of hated hearing them say how talented Frost is...

Look at the seeler and rp extensions
- corduroy

Two great examples.

Positivity of the Day:

No matter what sport or team you follow or how bad the team is, as long as it's not the Leafs...it could be worse.

Look at the seeler and rp extensions
- corduroy

If they don’t extend Seeler, who is playing with Drysdale for as cheap?

The 4th year was a little much but I don’t see a problem with passing up a 3rd rd pick to keep a guy who hope can shelter and let Drysdale develop. After the Hextall years of using MacDonald to help develop Provorov, I don’t think it’s that bad of a decision to extend Seeler.

As far as Poehling goes, look at the Flyers center depth.

As far as bad contracts, Fedotov was awful and inexcusable. Briere got taken to cleaners on that one. And if he sits on his hands this summer and doesn’t make any moves then I would absolutely put him in the bad GM category but I can’t kill him for either of those extensions. The Phantoms are crap and he needs to actually fill out an NHL roster.

The 4th line is the LEAST of their concern.
- Glak18

doesnt change what I said.

listening to 32 Thoughts a week ago or something and Friedman did say something interesting....a new team that could be in the mix for UFA's and perhaps some immediate hockey help is gonna be Utah. They have a young core developing and with new ownership, they no longer are going to skimp and scrape. It's very possible new ownership wants and expects to have a winner next year.

I wonder if they could be a team that would be interested in TK? Perhaps a trade to get their pick into the top 10??
- Wingdestroyer

I mentioned this last week too. I thought the new owners might want to make a splash and pick up some veteran talent and put a push on. They aren't going to want to move to a new town and say yay, we are rebuilding.

That franchise is loaded with picks and prospects.

Hextall was also left in cap hell by Homer, and just had it sorted out when they replaced him with Fletcher. Fletcher blew his load on Hayes. Hextall might have missed on some draft picks, but he had the franchise in a good position to move ahead when the time was right...that never came.
- TheFreak

When the plan is to draft and develop and you blow multiple high picks that don’t even sniff the NHL then you did not leave the franchise in a good position.

If they don’t extend Seeler, who is playing with Drysdale for as cheap?

The 4th year was a little much but I don’t see a problem with passing up a 3rd rd pick to keep a guy who hope can shelter and let Drysdale develop. After the Hextall years of using MacDonald to help develop Provorov, I don’t think it’s that bad of a decision to extend Seeler.

As far as Poehling goes, look at the Flyers center depth.

As far as bad contracts, Fedotov was awful and inexcusable. Briere got taken to cleaners on that one. And if he sits on his hands this summer and doesn’t make any moves then I would absolutely put him in the bad GM category but I can’t kill him for either of those extensions. The Phantoms are crap and he needs to actually fill out an NHL roster.
- psuhockey

I am judging Briere 100% purely based on his actions this offseason whether he creates a path for improvement or if he just adds problems that have to be fixed later.