Clarke couldn't even get the names straight when he told the story. He kept saying Makar when all the reports said that there were some voices in the room pushing for Miro, not Makar.
- Tomahawk

So one is a franchise defenseman with a ring already. The other is an elite defender on a great team in the playoffs. The Flyers pick retired this year due to head injuries and migraines.

Set consensus and all that aside...

The Flyers had just taken Provy 7th-overall and he had jumped in right away as a #1 guy. Ghost had just turned in two great seasons to open his career and was poised to drop 65-points in 2017. Sanheim and Hagg were considered ready for full-time jobs. Morin, taken 11th, was still healthy at the time and everybody thought he'd make the jump sooner or later. Myers was ripping up the Q, was considered one of the best d prospects not in the NHL, and he was about to go pro. Friedman had just signed his ELC.

Nobody thought the Flyers needed to add any more D prospects at the time -- everybody thought they were completely set on the blueline.

Meanwhile G was nearing 30 and coming off a down year. Coots' offense was languishing in the bottom-six. Schenn was a perennial disappointment. All signs pointed to the Flyers needing future help down the middle and NP was hyped as having an elite 1C ceiling by some pre-draft.

If Hexy did indeed override anybody in the room he had a million and one reasons to. 99.9% of the fans would have done the same. Bob Clarke would have done the same. There probably wasn't a GM in the league outside of Poile who would have taken another defenseman with that pick.
- Tomahawk

center was the need within the franchise at the time. Patrick or Nico was the pick by most, I hoped for Nico.

99.9% of Flyers fans were over the (frank)ing moon when Patrick dropped to #2 on draft day. The fanbase would have torn Hexy limb from limb if he had taken anybody other than Patrick with that pick. You all thought NP was G's heir apparent.

Funny how you're all trying to pretend otherwise now, eating up some BS that Clarkie put out there.
- Tomahawk

I'm not sure why the narrative always goes the route of "the fans would of been mad!". Who the (frank) cares if the fans would tippy tappy on their keyboards or phones in anger.

The Flyers organization has a responsibility to select the players, not the fan base. When the Flyers selected Patrick they told the fans they did their research and medical examinations and everything was great...which is was not. The ONLY thing that matters is how the player works out for the team, if they don't that's 100% on the TEAM, not the fans/media.

The Flyers didn't care about the many, many players I wanted them to draft instead of who they chose, but for this one pick they did?

Did the Montreal fans get mad not picking Shane Wright at the time? Are they upset now?

I'm not sure why the narrative always goes the route of "the fans would of been mad!". Who the (frank) cares if the fans would tippy tappy on their keyboards or phones in anger.

The Flyers organization has a responsibility to select the players, not the fan base. When the Flyers selected Patrick they told the fans they did their research and medical examinations and everything was great...which is was not. The ONLY thing that matters is how the player works out for the team, if they don't that's 100% on the TEAM, not the fans/media.

The Flyers didn't care about the many, many players I wanted them to draft instead of who they chose, but for this one pick they did?

Did the Montreal fans get mad not picking Shane Wright at the time? Are they upset now?
- Glak18

Speaking of Wright, how about TK, Laughton, and FLD 1st for Wright and the 8OA

Speaking of Wright, how about TK, Laughton, and FLD 1st for Wright and the 8OA
- coffee junkie

I don't like doing mock trades because they are pointless especially when it's dealing with a specific team and players...why would Seattle do it, would they do it?

Speaking of Wright, how about TK, Laughton, and FLD 1st for Wright and the 8OA
- coffee junkie

If you were Seattle would you make that deal? Awful lot to give up on Seattles end for solid not spectacular players.

I'm not sure why the narrative always goes the route of "the fans would of been mad!". Who the (frank) cares if the fans would tippy tappy on their keyboards or phones in anger.

The Flyers organization has a responsibility to select the players, not the fan base. When the Flyers selected Patrick they told the fans they did their research and medical examinations and everything was great...which is was not. The ONLY thing that matters is how the player works out for the team, if they don't that's 100% on the TEAM, not the fans/media.

The Flyers didn't care about the many, many players I wanted them to draft instead of who they chose, but for this one pick they did?

Did the Montreal fans get mad not picking Shane Wright at the time? Are they upset now?
- Glak18

In the context for discussing the pick and how the fans feel now in hindsight, yes how they felt when the pick was made is certainly relevant. Anyone can be an ace GM after the fact.

I don't like doing mock trades because they are pointless especially when it's dealing with a specific team and players...why would Seattle do it, would they do it?
- Glak18

I agree. It normally is made from a point of view of trading players we don't want or want to trade for the other teams best assets. It is rarely made taking into consideration the opposite perspective.

I don't like doing mock trades because they are pointless especially when it's dealing with a specific team and players...why would Seattle do it, would they do it?
- Glak18

If i am trading Konecny, I think the return would be young roster player/prospect, late 1st or early 2nd rounder and maybe another mid round pick.

I agree. It normally is made from a point of view of trading players we don't want or want to trade for the other teams best assets. It is rarely made taking into consideration the opposite perspective.
- MJL

any thoughts on ryan reaves playing in the leafs 3 games?

any thoughts on ryan reaves playing in the leafs 3 games?
- hello it's me 2050

If Mccan were healthy Reaves would not be playing. He got the ND treatment, 7 minutes of ice time.

99.9% of Flyers fans were over the (frank)ing moon when Patrick dropped to #2 on draft day. The fanbase would have torn Hexy limb from limb if he had taken anybody other than Patrick with that pick. You all thought NP was G's heir apparent.

Funny how you're all trying to pretend otherwise now, eating up some BS that Clarkie put out there.
- Tomahawk

I don't know who you're talking to, but you certainly aren't talking to me. I was begging for Jersey to take Patrick cause I wanted Nico. I didn't know about the defensemen and I'm not going to pretend that I did, but I didn't want Patrick (injury history and not a fast skater).

Are the Flyers really that far away? I look at the Bruins roster and I think that perhaps they aren't. They have Marchand, Pasta and McAvoy on the backend. They obviously have two elite goalies as well, but look at the rest of their roster. Is it really all that exciting?

Are the Flyers really that far away? I look at the Bruins roster and I think that perhaps they aren't. They have Marchand, Pasta and McAvoy on the backend. They obviously have two elite goalies as well, but look at the rest of their roster. Is it really all that exciting?
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers are about as far away as a team can get. Boston's defense as a group is one of the best in the league. They also have an elite coach.

The Flyers are about as far away as a team can get. Boston's defense as a group is one of the best in the league. They also have an elite coach.
- MJL

What's so special about their defense. I mean, after McAvoy who are they. I mean, they are good steady defenders, but are they anything special?

Clarke couldn't even get the names straight when he told the story. He kept saying Makar when all the reports said that there were some voices in the room pushing for Miro, not Makar.
- Tomahawk

he got names wrong, senior moment. still believe it 100%

What's so special about their defense. I mean, after McAvoy who are they. I mean, they are good steady defenders, but are they anything special?
- Phillywhiteout

I'll repeat. As a group, they're one of the best in the league. Hampus Lindholm is one of the top 25 or so defenseman in the league.

If Mccan were healthy Reaves would not be playing. He got the ND treatment, 7 minutes of ice time.
- WhiskeyMan

Don’t be so sure.

This is not entirely true. Patrick had a an injury filled draft season and his stock was dropping come draft day. Several scouts told Hextall not to draft Patrick, but Hextall overrode his scouts and went with what he hoped was a future 1C. I agree its not on Hextall, but he does bear some of the blame.
- jd250

That’s about it. Who’s the guy responsible? Of course he’s to blame….if NP turned into what they had hoped I’m sure the same defenders of Saint Ronnie would be touting to us what a great Job he did with his draft picks….oh wait…

I don't know who you're talking to, but you certainly aren't talking to me. I was begging for Jersey to take Patrick cause I wanted Nico. I didn't know about the defensemen and I'm not going to pretend that I did, but I didn't want Patrick (injury history and not a fast skater).
- Phillywhiteout

I’ll take Clarke’s word for it….Bill’s word….and everyone else who didn’t deny the story…yes Clarke got the D man name wrong, but the general consensus was take a D from what everyone around the situation said.
Obviously Hextall being the GM can make his own decisions. In this case it was a catastrophic decision. It sucks but obviously that type of decision helped lead to Hextall’s ouster.

never said it was fact. that is why i added "*If."
- Flyfly

Nah. According to mjl if it’s reported (which the laughts for a 1st was reported) then it’s a fact.

You didn’t need to add “if”. Reported is the new word for confirmed

Are the Flyers really that far away? I look at the Bruins roster and I think that perhaps they aren't. They have Marchand, Pasta and McAvoy on the backend. They obviously have two elite goalies as well, but look at the rest of their roster. Is it really all that exciting?
- Phillywhiteout

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Yeah they aren’t that far away.

If i am trading Konecny, I think the return would be young roster player/prospect, late 1st or early 2nd rounder and maybe another mid round pick.
- J35Bacher

pretty much what Giroux brought back

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- Stayin alive

I figured you'd get a kick out of this, but then again you seem like the type that thinks that the world is gonna end tomorrow. Look at the Bruins forward group. Is it really that impressive after Pasta and Marchand? Nah! They have a couple of top notch defenders and then a bunch of steady eddies. Of course, two elite goalies doesn't hurt.

I figured you'd get a kick out of this, but then again you seem like the type that thinks that the world is gonna end tomorrow. Look at the Bruins forward group. Is it really that impressive after Pasta and Marchand? Nah! They have a couple of top notch defenders and then a bunch of steady eddies. Of course, two elite goalies doesn't hurt.
- Phillywhiteout

Forward wise they only have a couple of elite forwards. They could use a top center for sure but they make it work. I don't think it's an easy formula to replicate. Nor should that be used as a gauge for the Flyers and how close they are.