The Original Mr Beef that Carl Bonovolanto ran in Orland Park was by far the best Italian beef on the planet earth.

Portillos is good since there isn't really a beef stand anymore but it does not compare.
- fattybeef

Johnnie's Beef, River Forest!

Picked the best time for that trade, don't think any of us thought those two picks would be #19s

That KD can see into the future, good gift to have
- vabeachbear

No way Tampa makes that trade when they can't get out of the first round.

Maybe we bring back Duclair for another go around. Dumba wouldn't be a bad signing either.

Future Blackhawk
- BetweenTheDots

3 @ $6M.

Be so Leafy to trade Tavares and sign Stamkos.
- Elbows15

He's from outside there...

It’s a good fast game.

Oshawa is rolling over North Bay 4-1. Beckett Sennecke has looked really good this series, he’s the guy Wiz has Chicago picking at 33.
- paulr

Yeah, and I am thinking it was wishful thinking.

If we are guessing, Buffalo is my choice. Close to home and he "almost" signed with the Sabres last go around.
- Elbows15

Wasn't that only because Buffalo could pay him the most?

Wasn't that only because Buffalo could pay him the most?
- rpeters01

That and it's less than 2 hours from his hometown.

Buffalo could use a guy like him to maybe get them back into the playoffs.

He's from outside there...
- wiz1901

I know.

The hawks picked the best time for that Tampa Bay / Hagel trade, don't think any of us thought those two picks would be #19s

That KD can see into the future, good gift to have
- vabeachbear
- vabeachbear[

Every time I see Hagel he seems better and better and I remember saying something when we had him that he could be a top player.

I don 't doubt he would have made the Hawks a bit better the last couple years.

No way Tampa makes that trade if they can't get out of the first round.
- rpeters01

Well, the idea that first round picks are just that, and that they TAMPA were going to still challenge so the picks would "probably be very later first rounders."

...and they were getting a up and coming long term players whose crappy first contracts were gonna allow more savvy deals for the bolts to retool even MORE!

No handkerchiefs for them and Me, I am glad they one just two and not three so I maintain St. Pete bragging rights with the 3rd cup that also squashed TB.
(The new Cup color guy Ryan Callahan story about how he still cannot enter the UC with out sick feelings about how the Lightning unexpectedly got swept in the first round in the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs in four games with Callahan being held pointless in two games.
He never played with Hagel, maybe that is why he was calling him HAgggg-al instead of Hey gull?

I just became a Vegas fan in hopes they beat Dallas and that Tampa pick drops from #20 to #19....
that is as low as it can go now...

All I know is I like a lot of guys who they can take in that area, but don't treat it like a luxury pick of a big foreign forward over they guys I know and love that are already in North America....

Sure but it Doesn't change the fact the Blackhawks were the deepest team in the playoffs that year.
- BetweenTheDots

I think the problem stems from the fact you said Hossa wasn’t “great” in the playoffs. 15 pts in 22 games (2010) and pretty much the best defensive forward on the ice.

If the Hawks end up “bargain shopping” for guys that can’t get the contract they want elsewhere, I’d overpay a bit for Duchene. Has enough talent to play top line and a bit of a wiener to play against.

Johnnie's Beef, River Forest!
- rpeters01

It is actually in Elmwood Park. Lived there for five years.

It is actually in Elmwood Park. Lived there for five years.
- bjphawkfan

Johnnie's is the best beef and sausage combo I have tried. They also have a location in Arlington Heights.

Very interesting, BM, but I would not trade the 4th for the 8th and 9th in THIS draft....... Tier wise I have Celebrini in a tier by himself and literally have 2 thru 9 damn near interchangeable and all of those players have a more than reasonable chance to be a difference maker. But, 2 of those 9 are Russians and I just can't risk even an 8th or 9th on the chance the kid never makes it to the US. ..... I would make an exception for Demidov with the 8th or 9th cuz he has a very good chance to be an elite NHL player and can justify the risk but he ain't lasting to 8th.

So that leaves me with 7 almost interchangeable players to draft from that I think will be NHL difference makers then comes the 3rd tier and a big fall off. ..... The 9 players I see after Celebrini in no particular order.

2, Buium
3, Levshunov
4, D!ckinson
5, Parekh
6, Lindstrom
7, Eiserman

8, Demidov (Russian)
9, Siliyev (Russian)

I would listen to an argument for Catton to be in Tier 2 but am not going to give up a true blue chipper (a 1st pairing type Dman, a Dman with pt per game skills/IQ, a perennial 50 goal threat or a 6ft 4in physical centerman who can score) at #4 for Catton and Iginla.

Interesting, BM, but I don't make that move. IMO the Hawks will get an NHL difference maker at #4.  
- Mr Ricochet

I watched that Buium in the Frozen Four. If I'm not getting Celebrini, he's my pick at #2, #3 or #4, and I don't look back.

I think the problem stems from the fact you said Hossa wasn’t “great” in the playoffs. 15 pts in 22 games (2010) and pretty much the best defensive forward on the ice.
- Chunk

You know i don't care about the Leafs, if they win or lose, i recall a Marian Hossa who wasn't great in the playoffs, he was great defensively, but that 5 minute major almost cost us the series. Isn't that what the playoffs are one teams best players vs the other teams best and its usually the depth players that win you the series.

He really wasn't great offensively, 3 goals?

You know i don't care about the Leafs, if they win or lose, i recall a Marian Hossa who wasn't great in the playoffs, he was great defensively, but that 5 minute major almost cost us the series. Isn't that what the playoffs are one teams best players vs the other teams best and its usually the depth players that win you the series.

He really wasn't great offensively, 3 goals?
- BetweenTheDots

Hossa is one player who among the Blackhawks and even the entire NHL at the time, you couldn't really look at his goal totals to judge his impact, not just defensively but at both ends.

He was consistently winning puck battles all over the ice, tilting the possession in his teams favor and making plays. He didn't directly score as many goals. He still put up points and was third on the team in primary assist behind only Toews (14) and Kane (10) with 8. When the team was as deep as they were not everyone will be relied on necessarily bury the puck.

Also you have to consider that much of the playoffs that season Hossa wasn't on the 1st pp unit as that was often Toews, Sharp, Kane, Keith and Buff around the net. At 5v5 Hossa lead the team in assists per 60, primary assists per 60 and was just barely off the lead in points per 60 trailing only Kane and Sharp. There was really nothing wrong with his offense.

The more i think about it, its eiserman for me

The more i think about it, its eiserman for me
- LFS

I love when folks start to see things my way, just never happens ...............until now

Hossa is one player who among the Blackhawks and even the entire NHL at the time, you couldn't really look at his goal totals to judge his impact, not just defensively but at both ends.

He was consistently winning puck battles all over the ice, tilting the possession in his teams favor and making plays. He didn't directly score as many goals. He still put up points and was third on the team in primary assist behind only Toews (14) and Kane (10) with 8. When the team was as deep as they were not everyone will be relied on necessarily bury the puck.

Also you have to consider that much of the playoffs that season Hossa wasn't on the 1st pp unit as that was often Toews, Sharp, Kane, Keith and Buff around the net. At 5v5 Hossa lead the team in assists per 60, primary assists per 60 and was just barely off the lead in points per 60 trailing only Kane and Sharp. There was really nothing wrong with his offense.
- breadbag

That is really the point I'm trying to make out of all this. If you took Hossa and put him on today's Leafs, i know it doesn't work that way, the team will struggle to win playoff games because of the lack of depth.

I loved Hossa being on this team but it takes a team to win a SC.

That is really the point I'm trying to make out of all this. If you took Hossa and put him on today's Leafs, i know it doesn't work that way, the team will struggle to win playoff games because of the lack of depth.

I loved Hossa being on this team but it takes a team to win a SC.
- BetweenTheDots

It does take depth, adding Hossa in his prime to any team would be a big help, he was not in three Stanley cup finals in a row with different teams by pure luck. We were lucky to have Hossa on a very cap friendly and ridiculous contract that you can't do anymore. Adding to that we had the benefit of having Kane/Toews on their ELC still and followed by reasonable bridge contracts. Patrick Sharp was even really playing great for his dollars too. Keith and Seabrook were pretty much both in the top 15 to 20 Dmen in the league for a good stretch.

IMO the Leaf's issues are some big big contacts to guys who don't play quite as well when the time and space tighten up in the playoffs and a somewhat average defense. It's tough to win in the playoffs when you have to pay star players big money and those stars don't rise to the occasion with the level of that pay come playoff time. More depth or you need top guys who excel more at playoff style of hockey. It's extremely difficult to build a winning team and things have to line up just right.

Every time I see Hagel he seems better and better and I remember saying something when we had him that he could be a top player.

I don 't doubt he would have made the Hawks a bit better the last couple years.





Well, the idea that first round picks are just that, and that they TAMPA were going to still challenge so the picks would "probably be very later first rounders."

...and they were getting a up and coming long term players whose crappy first contracts were gonna allow more savvy deals for the bolts to retool even MORE!

No handkerchiefs for them and Me, I am glad they one just two and not three so I maintain St. Pete bragging rights with the 3rd cup that also squashed TB.
(The new Cup color guy Ryan Callahan story about how he still cannot enter the UC with out sick feelings about how the Lightning unexpectedly got swept in the first round in the 2019 Stanley Cup playoffs in four games with Callahan being held pointless in two games.
He never played with Hagel, maybe that is why he was calling him HAgggg-al instead of Hey gull?

I just became a Vegas fan in hopes they beat Dallas and that Tampa pick drops from #20 to #19....
that is as low as it can go now...

All I know is I like a lot of guys who they can take in that area, but don't treat it like a luxury pick of a big foreign forward over they guys I know and love that are already in North America....
- wiz1901

I think the Hagel trade was a win/win situation.

The Bolts got a cost controlled, productive top-6 forward that they locked-up for the long term at a reasonable rate. TB is a better team with Hagel vs. what they gave up.

The Hawks got 2 forwards to help with the Tank and fill roster spots for almost 2 seasons. The 2 draft picks ended up being in the 19-20 range which is better than we could have hoped for. If Moore realizes his potential the trade is a win for the Hawks and the 2024 pick is icing on the cake. Plus, without making this trade the Hawks may not have landed Bedard.

It does take depth, adding Hossa in his prime to any team would be a big help, he was not in three Stanley cup finals in a row with different teams by pure luck. We were lucky to have Hossa on a very cap friendly and ridiculous contract that you can't do anymore. Adding to that we had the benefit of having Kane/Toews on their ELC still and followed by reasonable bridge contracts. Patrick Sharp was even really playing great for his dollars too. Keith and Seabrook were pretty much both in the top 15 to 20 Dmen in the league for a good stretch.

IMO the Leaf's issues are some big big contacts to guys who don't play quite as well when the time and space tighten up in the playoffs and a somewhat average defense. It's tough to win in the playoffs when you have to pay star players big money and those stars don't rise to the occasion with the level of that pay come playoff time. More depth or you need top guys who excel more at playoff style of hockey. It's extremely difficult to build a winning team and things have to line up just right.
- breadbag

To be fair those teams had a lot of talent on them as well, and he did end up on the losing end of both those teams.

After we gutted the team in 2010, we were one and done in the playoffs. Sure Hossa was brutally blown up in one of those series but the other series he couldn't carry us past the first round.

When he played for Ottawa and then Atlanta his team didn't make it out of the 1st round 5 out of 7 years. As much as i like Marian Hossa, who's a great player, it takes 20+ players to win a SC.

Seth jones and unconditional 1st round pick 2024 for mitch marner
- LFS

Based on rankings Catton and Iginla will be long gone before Chicago’s second pick. Good chance Paraczak is available though. What I like from what I’ve seen of Paraczak is he makes him home in front of the net and battles hard along the boards. I’m not sure about his skating, he’s not a speedster but he keeps up. He seems to have a great shot with quick release.
- paulr

Sounds like Hyman. Exactly what the Leafs need. Hysterical that they had him and didn't keep him.