That one was a real stinker. He was out swimming around on that jvr one Saturday night.
- shack67

Kinda like Swayman on the Marner one

I don't know how many times I said that over the last six years and gotten absolutely flamed for it. People wanted me banned for being too "negative". Funny how the worm has turned with Leafs Nation.
- fifty__missions

Ya, you were definitely getting razzed for it.

We agreed tho, I just stopped trying to prove the point.

You're a better man than I 50.

1. How in hell do you know what the plan was? Like factually know what the plan was.

2. Was the comment truly laugh out loud funny or do you type lol cause you’re a child?

3. Plans don’t change? No matter what the landscape looks like (draft, injury, player performance) you keep going? That’s the thing?

4. The plan was to build an offensive, skill first, fast, puck possession team and win that way.

He and you are both wrong. Lmao
- Big23Questions

I don't agree.

The PP has personnel problems. It's not all coaching. They have core players unwilling/unable to fight for that middle ice. This won't just go away with a new coach. They need to change the core.
- fifty__missions

Powerplays are almost entirely coaching considering the talent the Leafs have.

You can't change the core without blowing the team apart and tanking again.

This is who they got and they need a coach to squeeze the most out of it.

Mayfield leave New York, if we can just say we should have gotten players we didn't even have the opportunity to have, I want Cale Makar.

Graves is average at best and 2 years away from being Brodie, a 6 year deal is an awful idea. Gustafson was poop defensively.

This is all of stupid and not even possible.

It is that time of year for UG to crawl out of his hole though isn't it.
- joel878

Yes he did, he was signed July 1st which means he was indeed a UFA. Leafs obviously didn't make an offer because they were too busy wasting money on Klingberg.

lol the original plan was to draft. After 3 players they pretty much altered the plan.

He's not wrong. The plan changed the day they signed Tavares.
- golfingsince

The whole plan shifted when they made playoffs the first year matthews was drafted. That was suppose to be a rebuilding year still but in January they started going on a heater and made the playoffs.

Just playing hockey cards JR.

PLD was hopefully retained.

A while back Merz and Korpi were touted as awesome #1 starters and people in here were dying to get them out of CBJ.

Willy or Marner being overpaid is what we think...since we have Matthews and JT getting the cheddar too. Not sure the entire list of NHL GMs do?
- underhill14

Before someone mentions my name….

I wanted Korpse when he was a pending UFA who was making 1.8m
I felt it would help solidify our weak goaltending
Never would I give him what the Sens did

You may now proceed 😁

The whole plan shifted when they made playoffs the first year matthews was drafted. That was suppose to be a rebuilding year still but in January they started going on a heater and made the playoffs.
- bryant

Imagine they tanked in 2017 and ended up with Makar or Heiskanen.

Totally different team.

Instead, they got Liljegren.

1. How in hell do you know what the plan was? Like factually know what the plan was.

2. Was the comment truly laugh out loud funny or do you type lol cause you’re a child?

3. Plans don’t change? No matter what the landscape looks like (draft, injury, player performance) you keep going? That’s the thing?

4. The plan was to build an offensive, skill first, fast, puck possession team and win that way.

He and you are both wrong. Lmao
- Big23Questions

I guess I could ask you the same, you just said the plan was wrong then furthermore in point 4 went on to tell us the plan. How do you know the plan?

From experience, the plan to blow it up is to acquire picks and prospects.

What's actually funny is how incredibly dense you are, and it's truly laugh out loud funny.

Next, you point toward the changing point in the plan which happens to coincide with the exact move mentioned........just for you signing Tavares.

Wings are looking on the up and up though, congrats.

[quote=jribout]


I think I get what you are trying to say by Bolded.

I don’t know what the plan was at the beginning - nobody did/does… but I listened to what Shanny and Dubas said and what the plan became. They said they wanted an offensive, skill first, fast etc., team.

I’ve said it before that I’m not the best writer but that’s what I meant.

1. Nobody truly knows what the ‘plan’ was going into the tenure
2. We can only assume the plan BECAME what was stated by the President and GM

I guess I could ask you the same, you just said the plan was wrong then furthermore in point 4 went on to tell us the plan. How do you know the plan?

From experience, the plan to blow it up is to acquire picks and prospects.

What's actually funny is how incredibly dense you are, and it's truly laugh out loud funny.

Next, you point toward the changing point in the plan which happens to coincide with the exact move mentioned........just for you signing Tavares.

Wings are looking on the up and up though, congrats.
- golfingsince

Hey you are an bumhole. You forgot to thank him for Hronek

I said it the day Tavares was signed. Obviously the stagnant cap situation really hurt the Leafs, but it affected all teams.

The big problem is that if falsely accelerated the rebuild, resulting in chasing players and paying Matthews and Marner more than they had to on their 2nd deal.
- golfingsince

No team got more screwed over by the stagnant cap than the Leafs. The timing was horrible.

I guess I could ask you the same, you just said the plan was wrong then furthermore in point 4 went on to tell us the plan. How do you know the plan?

From experience, the plan to blow it up is to acquire picks and prospects.

What's actually funny is how incredibly dense you are, and it's truly laugh out loud funny.

Next, you point toward the changing point in the plan which happens to coincide with the exact move mentioned........just for you signing Tavares.

Wings are looking on the up and up though, congrats.
- golfingsince

See below. Wings have no business being discussed in a Leafs area man. Go to the Wings area if you want to discuss. Dubas and Shanny stated the direction they were constructing the roster with prior to the signing.

Bold: you seem to be taking this super personal eh.

Hey you are an bumhole. You forgot to thank him for Hronek
- jribout

You know he didn’t thank me come to think of it! When me, Stevie, and golfing since were sitting down discussing the scenario and how it could all play out - he never did say thanks. I feel my team helped out his team. Ah either way our bosses were happy with the decisions we made.

The whole plan shifted when they made playoffs the first year matthews was drafted. That was suppose to be a rebuilding year still but in January they started going on a heater and made the playoffs.
- bryant

They signed Tavares that offseason, that's the trademark move.

The year before they signed Marleau to teach the kids how to be pros. They (frank)ing had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau in order to accommodate Tavares. They lost a bunch of draft capital buying and becoming compliant.

Tavares is the day it changed as it changed expectations. Those expectations would probably just have begun a couple of years ago and the pipeline would likely be full of prospects had management not pivoted.

Hey you are an bumhole. You forgot to thank him for Hronek
- jribout

No team got more screwed over by the stagnant cap than the Leafs. The timing was horrible.
- Aetherial

Tampa Bay? Vegas?

The flat cap didn't help the Leafs but if they knew how to win a trade more than once a decade for draft high end players (other than lottery picks) who stay on ELC, they wouldn't have been as crippled by their insanely bad cap management habits.

The Leafs have had next to zero success drafting players to fill the spots of the players they have had to let go. Year after year, they traded draft picks for rentals and their system has gone dry. And the few picks they have kept have turned out to be busts or barely move the needle.

Not to mention the bargain players they let walk who became 40/50 goal scorers...

They signed Tavares that offseason, that's the trademark move.

The year before they signed Marleau to teach the kids how to be pros. They (frank)ing had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau in order to accommodate Tavares. They lost a bunch of draft capital buying and becoming compliant.

Tavares is the day it changed as it changed expectations. Those expectations would probably just have begun a couple of years ago and the pipeline would likely be full of prospects had management not pivoted.
- golfingsince

Based on Dubas’ and Shannys idea of how to construct a roster - signing JT and adding to their idea (of loaded talent offence etc) should have rendered a Cup or 2 had they have been correct. They were clearly not. Some agreed some didn’t. I personally saw it as a mistake also - but they are in the position they are for a reason and gambled and lost bass on their idea. They weren’t the first nor will they be the last.

[quote=Big23Questions]


Fair Tavares was never fast. Offensive yes but not fast. The Leafs had too much success early, went for it too early instead of building more depth, and had to pay their top players too much too early because of all their early success.

I said last year it would be more of the same this year as the team was handicapped financially until 2025-26. So best to hold onto assets, play the young guys to both develop them and see if they are part of the plan. For example Knies, Robertson and Holmberg for sure. Well we didn't because Dubas was facing being let go if Leafs lost 1st round again so they went for it.

As a result our younger players have less experience, and Leafs have very few draft picks which could have been piled up to trade for a decent youngish defenseman or goalie once we freed up cap space and could restructure the team

See below. Wings have no business being discussed in a Leafs area man. Go to the Wings area if you want to discuss. Dubas and Shanny stated the direction they were constructing the roster with prior to the signing.

Bold: you seem to be taking this super personal eh.
- Big23Questions

It's just weird. You're a Wings fan commenting on a Leafs blog, then you call out Canucks fans for doing the same.

I haven't been disrespectful have I?

- jribout[url

Absolutely. He was never fast but did fit the other skill offence thing.

I agree as I said above that the roster build was a bad decision. It is what it is. My concern to be honest (cause to a degree good for having an idea and theory and sticking to it) was it took too long to shift and adjust and have the balls to admit you were wrong. Feel like it wasted at least 2 extra years of 34.

I don't know how many times I said that over the last six years and gotten absolutely flamed for it. People wanted me banned for being too "negative". Funny how the worm has turned with Leafs Nation.
- fifty__missions

I remember showing, statistically, how MMNT were ALL among the worst playoff performers in the league compared to their regular season production. I remember pointing out for years that Dubas was doing a horrible job, simply by the fact that there were no results. As early as a couple weeks ago, I dared to suggest that the Leafs have actually regressed.

It is crystal clear that we are right to be negative about this complete 8-year failure, BUT... The thing I have had to realize is that people don't want to come here and hear negative poop all the time about the Leafs, and frankly, I was, and am, guilty of being that guy.

They’re not out yet!!!!
- Dozzer

true.

They’ve begun to build my meds back up, they got the seizures they need, and now I had a short portion done of it today but I’m getting one of about 2-3 hours tomorrow where they literally connect my head to a computer and read everything it does.

I didn’t even know this lobe existed (I’m no neurologist lol) but it’s one that lies in between either side called the diencephalon, it’s in between the temporal lobes.

The 5 neurologists studying me told me after tomorrow there’s a very good chance they’ll remove all the electrodes Wednesday, make me stay 24 more hours, and then release me the next day. It obviously depends on what they discover tomorrow.

Either way I learned something new and cool today… and the neurologists feel excited. Not the most normal of things and it seems to explain a lot. Various strengths vs various weaknesses kind of thing. They’re thinking that once they get to study the info for a few months they might be able to rid me of epilepsy and if that happens I will be so massively thankful.
- Dozzer

Whoa!
Dude. That would be awesome.

It's just weird. You're a Wings fan commenting on a Leafs blog, then you call out Canucks fans for doing the same.

I haven't been disrespectful have I?
- golfingsince

I am from Toronto. Cheer for Leafs when Wings aren’t involved. Entire family Leafs fans. Kids Leafs fans. I don’t poop on leafs on the wings board then come on here and passive aggressively chirp the leafs when they loose to get a rise. That’s not disrespectful to be glaciers but certainly childish.

Yes. I childishly go onto the Canucks thread and chirp because of the amount of you feeders doing the same here…and also I’m sucked in and fascinated at the same time - at the utter obsession you folks have with the Leafs.

Edit: you’ve literally made your avatar a chirp to leafs