You think that's a good thing? You think that justifies bringing back a core that has utterly failed eight years in a row? Weird.
- fifty__missions

You know how many years Yzerman was a "failure" for the Detroit Red Wings?

Drafted in 1983, won his first Cup in 1997.

Steve, (frank)ing, Yzerman took 14 years to win a Cup in the NHL.

The difference between 1984 and 1997? Better drafting, better supporting cast and better (maybe the best) coaching. And two more Cups after that.

Bloated was a beauty back in the day for trolling the Leafs, he was banned more than he wasn’t.
- LeftCoaster

I've yet to meet the Canucks fan that can troll the Leafs as effectively as a Leafs fan.

Put him on the 4th line and say have fun getting a contract next year.

And NMC aren’t about avoiding trades, it’s about controlling where they get to go
- Dozzer

100%! - add in the absolute crap storm of stupidity that will surround him all summer there is no way he doesn’t at least submit a list to Tre. A first round exit will be insanely loud in Toronto. You can say players don’t care and to a point they don’t but they are human you know.

…would be hilarious though. Put him down lineup playing half minutes (vs usual) and no PP time. He will want out to pad stats quick with free agency coming at him at seasons end.

We all get older at some point. I’m almost 60 and I’ve got two grandkids now.
- LeftCoaster

About to hit 47 with 3 (the latest born in late January ❤️). The oldest daughter is 25 now.

I've yet to meet the Canucks fan that can troll the Leafs as effectively as a Leafs fan.
- golfingsince

They eat themselves at some point from the continual disappointment.

It can certainly be done, but it’ll be done on his terms and that usually doesn’t bode well for the team trading the player.
- LeftCoaster

Unless Chicago, who would love a setup winger, would take him

*dreams a little*

About to hit 47 with 3 (the latest born in late January ❤️). The oldest daughter is 25 now.
- Dozzer

You know how many years Yzerman was a "failure" for the Detroit Red Wings?

Drafted in 1983, won his first Cup in 1997.

Steve, (frank)ing, Yzerman took 14 years to win a Cup in the NHL.

The difference between 1984 and 1997? Better drafting, better supporting cast and better (maybe the best) coaching. And two more Cups after that.
- Rare_Jewel

The commitment from ownership to spend in Detroit and salary cap presently make this a bad comparable though man. Different situations.

100%! - add in the absolute crap storm of stupidity that will surround him all summer there is no way he doesn’t at least submit a list to Tre. A first round exit will be insanely loud in Toronto. You can say players don’t care and to a point they don’t but they are human you know.

…would be hilarious though. Put him down lineup playing half minutes (vs usual) and no PP time. He will want out to pad stats quick with free agency coming at him at seasons end.
- Big23Questions

Careful… too many fans think the game is more important than the business

Unless Chicago, who would love a setup winger, would take him

*dreams a little*
- Dozzer

I can’t see Marner accepting that, but a guy can dream.

Paul McFarland, Mike Van Ryn and Guy Boucher...

These are the offensive geniuses who are amazing PP coaches...

That's what we're hanging our hats on?
- Rare_Jewel

They were successful before in their last gigs before coming here. Who you hiring? Legit that would leave their current successful job and come here?

Paul McFarland, Mike Van Ryn and Guy Boucher...

These are the offensive geniuses who are amazing PP coaches...

That's what we're hanging our hats on?
- Rare_Jewel

And it was Carbery not Van Ryn.

Unless Chicago, who would love a setup winger, would take him

*dreams a little*
- Dozzer

I could see him going to Chicago, Utah or the pacific division cellar teams.

- LeftCoaster

And back to you

Sorry for not saying it right away

As for me I love being around those boys…now when I get tired being able to bring them home is an added bonus lol

The commitment from ownership to spend in Detroit and salary cap presently make this a bad comparable though man. Different situations.
- Big23Questions

Leafs have more money to burn than any other team in the NHL.

They were successful before in their last gigs before coming here. Who you hiring? Legit that would leave their current successful job and come here?
- jribout

Joel Quenneville can hire whoever he wants to run his PP.

I can’t see Marner accepting that, but a guy can dream.
- LeftCoaster

Well… if he’s promised to be on Bedard’s line he might accept it

You know how many years Yzerman was a "failure" for the Detroit Red Wings?

Drafted in 1983, won his first Cup in 1997.

Steve, (frank)ing, Yzerman took 14 years to win a Cup in the NHL.

The difference between 1984 and 1997? Better drafting, better supporting cast and better (maybe the best) coaching. And two more Cups after that.
- Rare_Jewel

Datsyuk, Lidstrom and Zetterberg was more luck than good. No way guys like Shanny, Hull and Murphy get brought in with todays cap restraints. Different times cannot compare at all.

I could see him going to Chicago, Utah or the pacific division cellar teams.
- golfingsince

If he goes to Utah he’s missing Kerfoot more than he will admit

And it was Carbery not Van Ryn.
- jribout

A lot of good he did for the Washington Capitals PP this year.

Leafs have more money to burn than any other team in the NHL.
- Rare_Jewel

Oh no - I meant the futility with Stevie Y in Detroit was influenced by the owners in a non cap era not spending or being committed. It played a role. And the teams Stevie was on was not like the talent the have - until a year or 2 prior to first Cup (Stevie’s era)

Datsyuk, Lidstrom and Zetterberg was more luck than good. No way guys like Shanny, Hull and Murphy get brought in with todays cap restraints. Different times cannot compare at all.
- jribout

Drafting is all about scouting and player development, two areas the Leafs can spend with no limit and yet the Leafs seem to very rarely get any results with.

Did the Leafs not break the bank for Tavares? They got the money. They don't have the brains to spend it on the right guys.

If he goes to Utah he’s missing Kerfoot more than he will admit
- Dozzer

Utah has more picks and prospects than a 1/4 of the league. They can overpay for a soft winger........and then regret it.

They eat themselves at some point from the continual disappointment.
- LeftCoaster

I have come close but I just think the following 3 things.

1. Dale Tallon / Gilbert Perreault
2. Mike Richter
3. Aaron Rome/Johnny Boychuck
4. Jake Virtanen/William Nylander

Last year people thought I was insane that the cost for JT Miller would be Nylander in my opinion at the time.
$8M vs 11.5M moving forward. JT most likely becomes less effective moving forward. But, he's a type of player you would covet. 6 more years of JT.

Last year people thought I was trolling, still might. I thought it was a hockey trade.