I dont see marner waiving to go to Utah.
But
If he did.
Grab either Durzi or valimaki plus a couple of prospects or one high end pick like Guenther plus picks
Get a forward via free agency.
Or marner plus (Lili) to vegas for theodore, hertl and pick.
- Fakepartofme

If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah.

If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah.
- Canada Cup

With the way taxes are, he doesnt just need to go to Utah to get more money.
He sign his current contract in vegas and make more than he has here.

I dont see marner waiving to go to Utah.
But
If he did.
Grab either Durzi or valimaki plus a couple of prospects or one high end pick like Guenther plus picks
Get a forward via free agency.
Or marner plus (Lili) to vegas for theodore, hertl and pick.
- Fakepartofme

why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances)

With the way taxes are, he doesnt just need to go to Utah to get more money.
He sign his current contract in vegas and make more than he has here.
- Fakepartofme

I’m sure there are other options and $ might not be the only factor. But the Utugs do have advantages - Utah has a flat income tax set at under 5%, the team has nothing but cap space and picks and they might want a marketable star. I still think he refuses to waive but I could see putting a $2 bet down on that possibility.

why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances)
- Symba007

First, Vegas wants everyone who is any good.
second, you know that this Marner playoff disease is only in Toronto right?
Buffalo had the same disease with Eichel

they can go to Vegas and get cured

First, Vegas wants everyone who is any good.
second, you know that this Marner playoff disease is only in Toronto right?
Buffalo had the same disease with Eichel

they can go to Vegas and get cured
- senstroll

Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured.

Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured.
- Whipper

getting married? Herpes?

I got you Dementsy ...

In summary - "Keefe sucks".
- The Law

do we hear that Keefe has been let go in a day or so?

Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured.
- Whipper

cured of one thing, get another

This is wrong over 80% of the time so far this playoff season.

From an earlier post I made:

There were 8 games total in the entire 1st round where the winning team scored less than 3 goals ( 3 in the Toronto / Boston series, 2 in the Dallas/Vegas series and 3 in the Van/Nashville series).

8 of 44 games played so less than 20% (it's 18 and change%).

So far in round 2 there have been zero but it's early.


But yes, let's cling to the magic bullet that it's goaltending that lost them the series no need to address playoff goal scoring or lack thereof or a pp that was 4.8% right?

Run it back with a new goalie and all will be better.
- Cush29

But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2

But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2
- shack67

The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently

If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah.
- Canada Cup

The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently
- Santo_44

The Bruins beat the panthers 5-1 but the goalie had nothing to do with it, the panthers should have scored 6

So 1-0 wins don't count?
- underhill14

There were 2 of them in the entire first round (both in the Western conf) but sure you can believe the Leafs were going to win game 7 1-0 if Woll was in net despite him not getting a shut out in the 2 games he had where he had 3 or less shots against in the first half of each of those games.

I choose not to.

If there was going to be a 1-0 win one of those 2 games should have been it.

I'll say it again - lack of scoring is why the Leafs are not in the 2nd round.

do we hear that Keefe has been let go in a day or so?
- dmnted

I don't see how they don't change the coaching staff.

But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2
- shack67

How many games did a team need to score only 1 or 2 and win because they only gave up 1 or 0?

I did a quick count and see 18.

So less than half.

End of the day if you don't score more than 2 you should expect to lose more often than not in the playoffs.

But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2
- shack67

the problem is the leafs have been averaging LESS than 2 goals a game for at least the last two playoff rounds. pumping half the teams cap into 4 guys whose best assets and number priority is putting up goals and points. Not a whole lot of money is pumped jnto solid defenders and elite goaltending. so you get what you get and expecting them to allow 1 goal just about every single playoff game to give their team a chance to win because the offensive leaders snd core of this team poop them bed is not only unfair but completely (frank)ing absurd

The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently
- Santo_44

Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost.

why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances)
- Symba007

Cause the marner cant play in the playoffs is probably only a Toronto thing.
I think has 50pts in 50 or something like that.
Why wouldnt they want a player like marner under quality coaching?

Anywho, just a random trade idea.

Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost.
- Cush29

goaltending got them to game 7. The lack of scoring lost them the series. Then again remind me how many PP goals and points Woll and Sammy had? oh...zero? My bad then. Yea definitely goaltending was the number one reason we lost.

Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost.
- Cush29

Goaltending wasnt the reason the leafs lost, its what prolonged the series, sure. Not sure who even suggested that.
Lack of scoring and special teams killed the leafs. Same as round 2 last year.

the problem is the leafs have been averaging LESS than 2 goals a game for at least the last two playoff rounds. pumping half the teams cap into 4 guys whose best assets and number priority is putting up goals and points. Not a whole lot of money is pumped jnto solid defenders and elite goaltending. so you get what you get and expecting them to allow 1 goal just about every single playoff game to give their team a chance to win because the offensive leaders snd core of this team poop them bed is not only unfair but completely (frank)ing absurd
- systemtool

I agree but that opinion is clearly not shared by all so whatever.

goaltending got them to game 7. The lack of scoring lost them the series
- systemtool

Bingo

There were 2 of them in the entire first round (both in the Western conf) but sure you can believe the Leafs were going to win game 7 1-0 if Woll was in net despite him not getting a shut out in the 2 games he had where he had 3 or less shots against in the first half of each of those games.

I choose not to.

If there was going to be a 1-0 win one of those 2 games should have been it.

I'll say it again - lack of scoring is why the Leafs are not in the 2nd round.
- Cush29

I don't disagree on lack of scoring but playoffs get really tight.

I know you don't like to hear it but Sammy was weak. His stats show he was weak. The eye test shows he was weak. NOT absolute shiite but he wasn't Swayman out there.

And not for nothing but both of those things can exist simultaneously: Sammy was weak, team should've been able to score more.

Bottom line: Keefe sucks. He can't coach Gods.

Also no one has really mentioned

Marners SB is given July 1st…he has a whopping salary of 800K next year.

That has to be insanely valuable to quite a few teams.

Especially a Nashville, Utah type franchise convincing their owner to sign Marner 8 years 12M knowing over 9 years it’s more like 10.5M a year.