Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS Joined: 07.05.2010
May 15 @ 10:11 AM ET
Tell me what exactly was JOEL Q. involvement in that fiasco? Do you know? From what I understand (limited) his involvement was very minor.
People are condemning him without even knowing exactly was was done.
It’s been years. He’s done his penalty time. There is a thing called FORGIVENESS. This is something the cancel culture know little about. We all are flawed. We all make mistakes. It’s not the unpardonable sin. - leafersince62
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May 15 @ 10:28 AM ET
Good morning gentlemen, and the bumholes too!
I hope Florida and Boston goes seven games with multiple overtimes and they beat the living poop out of each other. Marchand already got some justice, now it's time for Bennett and Tkaupchuck.
Calm down about a member of the Core-4 getting traded this offseason. It's NOT happening unless a Briesbois smokes bath salts and offers Stamkos and 100 draft picks for Tavares or Marner. All of the Core-4 are staying through this coming season until at least the trade deadline. Somebody might get moved then, but highly unlikely it happens before that.
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
May 15 @ 10:32 AM ET
Good morning gentlemen, and the bumholes too!
I hope Florida and Boston goes seven games with multiple overtimes and they beat the living poop out of each other. Marchand already got some justice, now it's time for Bennett and Tkaupchuck.
Calm down about a member of the Core-4 getting traded this offseason. It's NOT happening unless a Briesbois smokes bath salts and offers Stamkos and 100 draft picks for Tavares or Marner. All of the Core-4 are staying through this coming season until at least the trade deadline. Somebody might get moved then, but highly unlikely it happens before that.
Shoot Guy Boucher into the Sun. - GalacticStone
My guess is Marner is traded to a team that is willing to move a goalie.
Maybe Marner to Nashville for Saros, Fabbro and Colton Sissons.
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON Joined: 06.27.2013
May 15 @ 10:34 AM ET
I don't think Brind'Amour is going anywhere. It would be a mistake for Carolina to let him go imho. - Scabeh
I don't think Carolina is ever going to do better than him. If they really want to win with Brind'Amour as the coach they just need to alter some of their up front personnel to add some size and meanness. They aren't small, but they aren't punishing. You can play a 7 game series with Carolina and you're probably tired from the pace - but you're not beat up from the punishment. The Rangers are laying a beating on the Canes physically. The Canes probably need just a small dose of that to be able to return fire. Not that large angry men who can skate and play Brind'Amour's puck pressure system are hanging around in abundance.
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
May 15 @ 10:36 AM ET
I don't think Carolina is ever going to do better than him. If they really want to win with Brind'Amour as the coach they just need to alter some of their up front personnel to add some size and meanness. They aren't small, but they aren't punishing. You can play a 7 game series with Carolina and you're probably tired from the pace - but you're not beat up from the punishment. The Rangers are laying a beating on the Canes physically. The Canes probably need just a small dose of that to be able to return fire. Not that large angry men who can skate and play Brind'Amour's puck pressure system are hanging around in abundance. - Monkeypunk
I agree. You can tell it's a well coached team by how they are playing but they definetely seem to have trouble against hard hitting teams like Florida or New York.
They end up not looking that bad because of how deep their lineup is but a physical game is not a style of play that suits their personnel.
I have to admit I was a "Hell no to Quenneville" guy before reading it.
Now I'm not.
The report makes it clear that in the meeting, sexual assault was not discussed.
Whether or not senior management knew otherwise, it was presented to Quenneville (who joined the meeting late) that an incident of sexual harassment had occurred - an unwanted sexual advance.
Is it OK that the team didn't deal with this immediately? Hell no.
But having read the report, I do think that Quenneville at least has been adequately punished, considering it would not in any way be his job to deal with a case of sexual harassment. In an organization, HR lawyers would step in and deal with it. - Atomic Wedgie
I just assume the league has more/greater facts than what we can read in that report. Bowman put some stronger facts on the table about what JQ said/did so there's some debate about what he might have known. Also, the fact that the league didn't do anything to Cheveldayoff when he was in the same meeting and presumably knew the same things as JQ leads me to believe there's so real smoke to the idea that JQ knew a little more than reported.
I'm just going to assume that he wouldn't allow the league to be unfair/arbitrary about his punishment. He hasn't collected a paycheque in 3 years so if he had room to beef ...I'm going to assume he'd be beefing.
I have to admit I was a "Hell no to Quenneville" guy before reading it.
Now I'm not.
The report makes it clear that in the meeting, sexual assault was not discussed.
Whether or not senior management knew otherwise, it was presented to Quenneville (who joined the meeting late) that an incident of sexual harassment had occurred - an unwanted sexual advance.
Is it OK that the team didn't deal with this immediately? Hell no.
But having read the report, I do think that Quenneville at least has been adequately punished, considering it would not in any way be his job to deal with a case of sexual harassment. In an organization, HR lawyers would step in and deal with it. - Atomic Wedgie
I made the "wasn't his department" comment a few weeks ago and got a post-lashing for it.
I have to admit I was a "Hell no to Quenneville" guy before reading it.
Now I'm not.
The report makes it clear that in the meeting, sexual assault was not discussed.
Whether or not senior management knew otherwise, it was presented to Quenneville (who joined the meeting late) that an incident of sexual harassment had occurred - an unwanted sexual advance.
Is it OK that the team didn't deal with this immediately? Hell no.
But having read the report, I do think that Quenneville at least has been adequately punished, considering it would not in any way be his job to deal with a case of sexual harassment. In an organization, HR lawyers would step in and deal with it. - Atomic Wedgie
IMO, there are two different sets of decisions that need to be addressed. The first is a league decision as to whether he’s been punished enough. This is where all the second chance arguments come into play. The second related decision is a team decision and relates to anything you can see in his character based on his behaviour. This one is probably tougher
I made the "wasn't his department" comment a few weeks ago and got post-lashing for it. - underhill14
That isn't what Wedgie is saying. The important part of the Report is that it suggests that JQ really didn't know the extent (ie. he believed that it was harrassing texts and creepy hanging around behaviour not abuse). If the report is accurate then I agree.
In my experience when someone like JQ sits quietly politely waiting for his 'turn' it leads me to believe there's more to the story.
I'd also throw out the thought (not aimed at JQ but instead everyone that eventually knew what this (frank)er did and/or was hardwired to do) ....once you did know the extent of his actions shouldn't you, as a human being, have whispered/yelled to the press or anyone else the details to prevent this (frank)face from going out and continuing his (frank)ing disturbing behaviour elsewhere (which he did ...with younger players). If one of the other subsequent victims was your 16 year old son would you not have been pissed at every single person who could have said something ..but chose not to?
In fact (and I don't know this) but if there are lawsuits still alive from any of the victims that might be a reason why the league has kept JQ away from an active job.
