Yeah but you don't have Wedgie's hockeybuzz street cred to pull it off.
- Scabeh

True. Or his well-appointed writing prose.


(frank) you Wedgie

That isn't what Wedgie is saying. The important part of the Report is that it suggests that JQ really didn't know the extent (ie. he believed that it was harrassing texts and creepy hanging around behaviour not abuse). If the report is accurate then I agree.

In my experience when someone like JQ sits quietly politely waiting for his 'turn' it leads me to believe there's more to the story.

I'd also throw out the thought (not aimed at JQ but instead everyone that eventually knew what this (frank)er did and/or was hardwired to do) ....once you did know the extent of his actions shouldn't you, as a human being, have whispered/yelled to the press or anyone else the details to prevent this (frank)face from going out and continuing his (frank)ing disturbing behaviour elsewhere (which he did ...with younger players). If one of the other subsequent victims was your 16 year old son would you not have been pissed at every single person who could have said something ..but chose not to?

In fact (and I don't know this) but if there are lawsuits still alive from any of the victims that might be a reason why the league has kept JQ away from an active job.
- The Law

Absolutely 100% agree with this. Just doesn't seem to be the case with JQ.

And even just my impression of JQ would be that had he known he would have killed someone over it. I just don't find him to be a bad guy...or that guy.

That isn't what Wedgie is saying. The important part of the Report is that it suggests that JQ really didn't know the extent (ie. he believed that it was harrassing texts and creepy hanging around behaviour not abuse). If the report is accurate then I agree.

In my experience when someone like JQ sits quietly politely waiting for his 'turn' it leads me to believe there's more to the story.

I'd also throw out the thought (not aimed at JQ but instead everyone that eventually knew what this (frank)er did and/or was hardwired to do) ....once you did know the extent of his actions shouldn't you, as a human being, have whispered/yelled to the press or anyone else the details to prevent this (frank)face from going out and continuing his (frank)ing disturbing behaviour elsewhere (which he did ...with younger players). If one of the other subsequent victims was your 16 year old son would you not have been pissed at every single person who could have said something ..but chose not to?

In fact (and I don't know this) but if there are lawsuits still alive from any of the victims that might be a reason why the league has kept JQ away from an active job.
- The Law

the whole thing and JQ have this massive stink on it, and I dont want that poop show to come to the leafs, they are enough of a poop show we dont have to make it 10x worse.

JQ cant be the only coach they can find to get the team over the top. and JQ probably couldnt either.

Speaking of the Blackhawks

"A woman who worked for the Chicago Blackhawks is suing the NHL team and its charity, accusing them of breach of contract, fraud and sexual harassment.
The woman said in her lawsuit that she was pushed out after she was hired on improve the team’s relationships with the Native American community.
In the lawsuit, the woman said she was sexually harassed in 2022 by a man working with the Blackhawks. The lawsuit accuses him of "inappropriate sexual advances," touching her "without her consent", and also of sending her unwanted "sexually explicit videos of him" on Snapchat.
The lawsuit also said the woman reported two other incidents of women being groped at Blackhawks events by men working with the team"

https://twitter.com/rwest...1ScgB-M6Td4TyyjQ99Zg&s=19

Absolutely 100% agree with this. Just doesn't seem to be the case with JQ.

And even just my impression of JQ would be that had he known he would have killed someone over it. I just don't find him to be a bad guy...or that guy.
- underhill14

Where is his urge to "kill someone over" stronger though?
The above...or wnning the Stanley cup?

the whole thing and JQ have this massive stink on it, and I dont want that poop show to come to the leafs, they are enough of a poop show we dont have to make it 10x worse.

JQ cant be the only coach they can find to get the team over the top. and JQ probably couldnt either.
- senstroll

And realistically, if I'm JQ and the league gives me the green light, I'm NOT signing in any Canadian market.

I just assume the league has more/greater facts than what we can read in that report. Bowman put some stronger facts on the table about what JQ said/did so there's some debate about what he might have known. Also, the fact that the league didn't do anything to Cheveldayoff when he was in the same meeting and presumably knew the same things as JQ leads me to believe there's so real smoke to the idea that JQ knew a little more than reported.

I'm just going to assume that he wouldn't allow the league to be unfair/arbitrary about his punishment. He hasn't collected a paycheque in 3 years so if he had room to beef ...I'm going to assume he'd be beefing.
- The Law

The real difference between Quenneville and Cheveldayoff was simply that Q urged them to wait until after the playoffs. Although it should be noted that after Aldrich had resigned and more information was becoming known, Quenneville still took the time to write the following about Aldrich: "[he] did a great job for the Coaching staff in preparing us for all of our meetings and coordinating several tasks that we forward his way” and “has several people relying on him at the same moment and (a) way of deflecting and accommodating everyone at once."

He's far from directly complicit and he wasn't directly responsible for what happened in terms of handling Aldrich, either - that was on McDonough and Bowman who chose not to do anything.

Here's the legitimate challenge from a human perspective, not a sports perspective:

If I were a security guard and I stole money, I wouldn't be a security guard anymore - in fact I wouldn't be bondable and likely couldn't be a security guard for, I think it's something like 7 years after I was pardoned for my crime. That's real life.

If I were a coach of people and I knew something bad was happening and chose to look the other way and allow it to keep happening because the needs of the many outweighed the needs of the few? It's not Star Trek, and he's not Spock. He broke a sort of implied trust, in my opinion, and it's probably not that far off from the security guard analogy.

That said, and I'm sort of being candid, in 2010 the idea of sexual harassment - which is what Q reportedly knew about - and using authority as a sexual influence, especially between men, weren't something that people were looking at as seriously - or even really at all.

The arguments can go both ways. The question really is how much did Q really know. I do believe if he thought it was truly serious other than the alleged harassment, something more would have been done - but given the circumstances there was no reason to write a positive review about his performance after he'd already resigned.

Do we really think JQ can still coach?
Is he even really the answer to solve what ails the leafs?

Can he play defense or shoot from the point on the pp?

But seriously, im sure there are other coaches that can move the leafs forward. It seems the leafs arent even looking into JQ....so why are we arguing about this?

Rebuild the D. For once in the past 40 years, the leafs need to put money, scouting etc into drafting and signing quality D.
Building from forward group back has failed miserably

[quote=Fakepartofme]
“some guys…really know how to get the women.”
-Henry Chinaski👍

Speaking of the Blackhawks

"A woman who worked for the Chicago Blackhawks is suing the NHL team and its charity, accusing them of breach of contract, fraud and sexual harassment.
The woman said in her lawsuit that she was pushed out after she was hired on improve the team’s relationships with the Native American community.
In the lawsuit, the woman said she was sexually harassed in 2022 by a man working with the Blackhawks. The lawsuit accuses him of "inappropriate sexual advances," touching her "without her consent", and also of sending her unwanted "sexually explicit videos of him" on Snapchat.
The lawsuit also said the woman reported two other incidents of women being groped at Blackhawks events by men working with the team"

https://twitter.com/rwest...1ScgB-M6Td4TyyjQ99Zg&s=19
- Fakepartofme

hey at least the team has seemed to have learned their lesson

hey at least the team has seemed to have learned their lesson
- senstroll

So they don’t need Tavares then?

I think tyler toffoli would be a good add or replacement for Bertuzzi

Do we really think JQ can still coach?
Is he even really the answer to solve what ails the leafs?

Can he play defense or shoot from the point on the pp?

But seriously, im sure there are other coaches that can move the leafs forward. It seems the leafs arent even looking into JQ....so why are we arguing about this?

Rebuild the D. For once in the past 40 years, the leafs need to put money, scouting etc into drafting and signing quality D.
Building from forward group back has failed miserably
- Fakepartofme

From my perspective, it's a principal question - not actually wanting JQ for the Leafs. He may be the best candidate for the job on paper, but this market is a lightning rod for criticism that wouldn't let the story die. If Q is even reinstated and wants to leave this behind him, there are markets he just can't coach in.

For the Leafs themselves I think you're right. Personally I'm not sure scouting and drafting help this current core group in the near enough term - in that our current scouting and drafting appears to be pretty good considering their draft positions. If this group is deemed a failure already (which I think would be a mistake) then sure blow it all up, but I think that the tough decision on Marner or Nylander coupled with JT's next contract, be it here or elsewhere, in 2025 probably give us the room needed to move forward.

Treliving seems like a very straight-forward hockey guy - a guy who probably likes North/South hockey and certainly from his words, playing "the right way". I get this from his time in Calgary as well. You still need some guys who can score and are puck movers in that mix. It feels to me that a guy like Berube is a lot more sympatico with what I think of Treliving than most of the available coaches.

So they don’t need Tavares then?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

The Chicago Sexual Harassments have been awarded Connor Bedard

I think tyler toffoli would be a good add or replacement for Bertuzzi
- Fakepartofme

Different type of player, but he would be good.

[quote=Skalapy]

"Find what you love and let it kill you."

Think Buk had us Leaf fans in mind.

I think tyler toffoli would be a good add or replacement for Bertuzzi
- Fakepartofme

I think brad likes the identity they are building with the forward group.

I see both Domi and Bertuzzi back.

I think brad likes the identity they are building with the forward group.

I see both Domi and Bertuzzi back.
- Santo_44

[quote=sokosteve]
this too😭:
“ Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead.”

That isn't what Wedgie is saying. The important part of the Report is that it suggests that JQ really didn't know the extent (ie. he believed that it was harrassing texts and creepy hanging around behaviour not abuse). If the report is accurate then I agree.

In my experience when someone like JQ sits quietly politely waiting for his 'turn' it leads me to believe there's more to the story.

I'd also throw out the thought (not aimed at JQ but instead everyone that eventually knew what this (frank)er did and/or was hardwired to do) ....once you did know the extent of his actions shouldn't you, as a human being, have whispered/yelled to the press or anyone else the details to prevent this (frank)face from going out and continuing his (frank)ing disturbing behaviour elsewhere (which he did ...with younger players). If one of the other subsequent victims was your 16 year old son would you not have been pissed at every single person who could have said something ..but chose not to?

In fact (and I don't know this) but if there are lawsuits still alive from any of the victims that might be a reason why the league has kept JQ away from an active job.
- The Law

I’d be in jail, cuz I woulda beat the (frank) outta’ Buzzed Aldrich. As a player or parent, or as an employee of the Black Hawks.

- AdamFrench

I think brad likes the identity they are building with the forward group.

I see both Domi and Bertuzzi back.
- Santo_44

I'd really like Domi back. Even with his hot streak at the end of the year, I never really warmed up to Bertuzzi. If I were trying to describe him to someone I wouldn't even know how. He doesn't hit. He's not a good passer. He has an average shot. He's not particularly fast nor creative. He's not a north/south guy, but he doesn't really carry the puck. He's not good defensively.

He's like a drunken whirling dervish - all over the ice, often times having fallen down - who occasionally accomplishes something worthy, but I'm never sure if he actually intended to or if it just happened because at some point the puck is bound to ricochet off of him since he's all over the place all the time.

The only way I would want Bert back is if he was taking a lot less than he thinks he's worth.

I think brad likes the identity they are building with the forward group.

I see both Domi and Bertuzzi back.
- Santo_44

I agree... I could see both Domi and Bertuzzi back. Think they both get 3 yr deals.

Also why after a 20 goal 57 point season with 13 points in 18 playoff games gets Domi a 3M one year contract at 28...but why do I see fans saying he will get a 3-4 year deal worth 4M-4.5M after a 47 point 8 goal season at 29?

Are and trying to prepare themselves or do they actually believe he will get that type of money if he wants to stay?

- Santo_44

I think Bert is on his way to Utah on a 7 year 5.5mil deal they will regret immediately.