Anyone else see Sielski’s article in the Inqy about Bernie? About the ‘73-74 season he says, “Take Parent off that club, and there’s no championship to celebrate. The Bullies would have been goons and nothing more.” Bernie was great and it was a nice article, but come on that’s just ridiculous. Why would a Philly spirts writer say that?
- Dkos

Sielski is a hack.

Nostalgia goggles.
- Tomahawk

No…just miss the days when the organization did everything they could to be relevant every year. Now we get 6 year plans, T shirts with slogans about how the team is “back” and a team that’s most interesting personality is it’s 65 year old coach along with a player that’s not even on the team. I’ll take my nostalgia over this crap any day.

Nothing to do with the cap. It was a Flyer mindset supported by the owner. Now it’s just excuses.
- landros 2

well many peeps say it was because of no cap is why they were "successful".

the fact they still think they are doing it right is beyond all comprehension.

No…just miss the days when the organization did everything they could to be relevant every year. Now we get 6 year plans, T shirts with slogans about how the team is “back” and a team that’s most interesting personality is it’s 65 year old coach along with a player that’s not even on the team. I’ll take my nostalgia over this crap any day.
- landros 2

and win, now pure incompetence.

Cant trade sl - means to much to the room - who needs goals and assists when you have the intangibles of sotty laughton?
- corduroy

Ya….like when Wayne Gretzky got traded ….because he didn’t have Scotty’s intangibles. Sure, I can agree he’s a solid base player….but in the end he’s the product of another failed Flyer era.

Sielski is a hack.
- Flyfly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7tJZniOMLE

Ya….like when Wayne Gretzky got traded ….because he didn’t have Scotty’s intangibles. Sure, I can agree he’s a solid base player….but in the end he’s the product of another failed Flyer era.
- landros 2

I think, you missed sarcasm there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7tJZniOMLE
- missingmike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7tJZniOMLE
- missingmike

TK's reaction never gets old.

TK's reaction never gets old.
- MBFlyerfan

wish he had done a spit-take

It takes someone to make tough decisions. The last GM with the balls to trade away prime talent was Holmgren when he swapped out both faces of the franchise in Richards and Carter just coming into their prime. It was a franchise altering day. It wouldn’t be easy to part with Konecnyand a Farabee ….or to a lesser extent Laughton. But if they were ever serious about an actually proper rebuild then those are the choices that have to be made….otherwise this organization will just continue to spin its wheels.
- Landros

As I listen to opinions from the various Flyers podcasts, it seems most believe the Flyers must make the playoffs next season to move another step forward with this rebuild. I don't agree. I think if DB and Jones are serious about a rebuild, it's quite possible the team takes a step back next year. But this will only happen if the team is willing to part with more veteran players and give more younger players consistent minutes to continue to develop. I love TK but if his salary demands are higher than the Flyers want to pay and there is a chance to get assets and a younger player with the potential to be a 1C or 1D in return, I would trade TK. But I would also look to trade players like Laughton and Farabee. Given the cap space issues the Flyers currently have, they will have to buy out Atkinson. The Flyers have to put off making the playoffs next season as a priority, and continue to get younger and open up roster spots for young player to develop. If the Flyers instead go after veterans to improve the PP for example, all it does is stagnate the rebuild because they will be stuck in middling land, not bad enough to land a elite talent player and not good enough to make a serious run for the Cup. DB has got to start parting with more veteran players and commit to a rebuild. Without a true 1C and 1D, this Flyers team is going no where, Michkov or no Michkov.

I can tell you then I would need to go to confession
- hello it's me 2050

THAT wins the internet today!

As I listen to opinions from the various Flyers podcasts, it seems most believe the Flyers must make the playoffs next season to move another step forward with this rebuild. I don't agree. I think if DB and Jones are serious about a rebuild, it's quite possible the team takes a step back next year. But this will only happen if the team is willing to part with more veteran players and give more younger players consistent minutes to continue to develop. I love TK but if his salary demands are higher than the Flyers want to pay and there is a chance to get assets and a younger player with the potential to be a 1C or 1D in return, I would trade TK. But I would also look to trade players like Laughton and Farabee. Given the cap space issues the Flyers currently have, they will have to buy out Atkinson. The Flyers have to put off making the playoffs next season as a priority, and continue to get younger and open up roster spots for young player to develop. If the Flyers instead go after veterans to improve the PP for example, all it does is stagnate the rebuild because they will be stuck in middling land, not bad enough to land a elite talent player and not good enough to make a serious run for the Cup. DB has got to start parting with more veteran players and commit to a rebuild. Without a true 1C and 1D, this Flyers team is going no where, Michkov or no Michkov.
- jd250

If they are to take a step back then they should not be buying out anyone. As long as torts is the coach he will prioritize vets over kids and will try to get every point he can.

Dollars to donuts that if the team is competing early in the year you will be the first to scream torts for the jack adams award

As I listen to opinions from the various Flyers podcasts, it seems most believe the Flyers must make the playoffs next season to move another step forward with this rebuild. I don't agree. I think if DB and Jones are serious about a rebuild, it's quite possible the team takes a step back next year. But this will only happen if the team is willing to part with more veteran players and give more younger players consistent minutes to continue to develop. I love TK but if his salary demands are higher than the Flyers want to pay and there is a chance to get assets and a younger player with the potential to be a 1C or 1D in return, I would trade TK. But I would also look to trade players like Laughton and Farabee. Given the cap space issues the Flyers currently have, they will have to buy out Atkinson. The Flyers have to put off making the playoffs next season as a priority, and continue to get younger and open up roster spots for young player to develop. If the Flyers instead go after veterans to improve the PP for example, all it does is stagnate the rebuild because they will be stuck in middling land, not bad enough to land a elite talent player and not good enough to make a serious run for the Cup. DB has got to start parting with more veteran players and commit to a rebuild. Without a true 1C and 1D, this Flyers team is going no where, Michkov or no Michkov.
- jd250

- do you think they ar willing to take a step back?

- you trade TK no matter what. they will not.

- they will not trade SL. plain dumb to buy out Cam. Let him come back see what he can do. if not then you cut bait or simply sit him. Not like anyone is beating down
the door to force him out.

- there is no rebuild. why can't you accept this fact?

No…just miss the days when the organization did everything they could to be relevant every year. Now we get 6 year plans, T shirts with slogans about how the team is “back” and a team that’s most interesting personality is it’s 65 year old coach along with a player that’s not even on the team. I’ll take my nostalgia over this crap any day.
- landros 2

"Relevant" or not those teams were equally as hopeless at the end of the day.

Ass backwards philosophy prioritizing big centers over goaltending and defensemen. They never had a chance against teams like Jersey, Detroit and Colorado. '97 showed as much.

If they are to take a step back then they should not be buying out anyone. As long as torts is the coach he will prioritize vets over kids and will try to get every point he can.

Dollars to donuts that if the team is competing early in the year you will be the first to scream torts for the jack adams award
- corduroy

Given the cap situation the Flyers are in currently, if they are not willing to trade veteran players like Laughton and Farabee for example, they will need to buy out Atkinson to create some space to sign their RFAs like Zamula, or extend York who will deserve it. Torts is wired to win hockey games, and that is what a coach should do. Its up to DB to be sure Torts does not have too many veterans to play, so it's imperative DB does not sign any more veteran players this off season, players like Staal for example. I heard talk about the Flyers bringing back Eric Johnson for another season, that would be a BIG mistake IMO.

- do you think they ar willing to take a step back?

- you trade TK no matter what. they will not.

- they will not trade SL. plain dumb to buy out Cam. Let him come back see what he can do. if not then you cut bait or simply sit him. Not like anyone is beating down
the door to force him out.

- there is no rebuild. why can't you accept this fact?
- hello it's me 2050

It depends how much of a step back they will take. I don't want the Flyers to step back to be a laughing stock of the league as they were in 2021 or 2022. I would like them to remain competitive and play meaningful regular season games, and continue to see development from players like Foerster and Tippet. I'm just saying the Flyers at this stage of the rebuild do not have to make the playoffs next season to have a successful step forward, and should not prioritize it over getting younger and free up cap space. I'm not saying they should buy out Atkinson, all I am saying is right now they will have no choice.

Again a rebuild is not the same thing as tear down to the studs and tank. I think the Flyers are trying to rebuild.

"Relevant" or not those teams were equally as hopeless at the end of the day.

Ass backwards philosophy prioritizing big centers over goaltending and defensemen. They never had a chance against teams like Jersey, Detroit and Colorado. '97 showed as much.
- Tomahawk

goaltending was the only thing they didnt prioritize.

"Relevant" or not those teams were equally as hopeless at the end of the day.

Ass backwards philosophy prioritizing big centers over goaltending and defensemen. They never had a chance against teams like Jersey, Detroit and Colorado. '97 showed as much.
- Tomahawk

90s hockey is thankfully gone for good. Today's game is vastly different than even the game was 10 years ago. Today's game is about speed and transition, but as we see in the playoffs, size and grit are still key ingredients. To me a team like Dallas is the favorite to win the cup. They have good goaltending, strong defense, highly skilled and fast forwards, plus good size and grit. They have it all and are making a very good team like Colorado look average. I don't see any team that can beat them this year. That is model the Flyers should be striving for. The Flyers need elite talent for sure, but they also need more size and speed IMO.

Given the cap situation the Flyers are in currently, if they are not willing to trade veteran players like Laughton and Farabee for example, they will need to buy out Atkinson to create some space to sign their RFAs like Zamula, or extend York who will deserve it. Torts is wired to win hockey games, and that is what a coach should do. Its up to DB to be sure Torts does not have too many veterans to play, so it's imperative DB does not sign any more veteran players this off season, players like Staal for example. I heard talk about the Flyers bringing back Eric Johnson for another season, that would be a BIG mistake IMO.
- jd250

imagine being a slop team like the flyers and pretty much capped out.

torts runs the show at the nhl level. why can't you accept that?

It depends how much of a step back they will take. I don't want the Flyers to step back to be a laughing stock of the league as they were in 2021 or 2022. I would like them to remain competitive and play meaningful regular season games, and continue to see development from players like Foerster and Tippet. I'm just saying the Flyers at this stage of the rebuild do not have to make the playoffs next season to have a successful step forward, and should not prioritize it over getting younger and free up cap space. I'm not saying they should buy out Atkinson, all I am saying is right now they will have no choice.

Again a rebuild is not the same thing as tear down to the studs and tank. I think the Flyers are trying to rebuild.
- jd250

they are a laughingstock, that is what you and others do not get.

for phucks sake there is no fn rebuild.

they will not make the playoffs and have less point than this year is my early prediciton.

It depends how much of a step back they will take. I don't want the Flyers to step back to be a laughing stock of the league as they were in 2021 or 2022. I would like them to remain competitive and play meaningful regular season games, and continue to see development from players like Foerster and Tippet. I'm just saying the Flyers at this stage of the rebuild do not have to make the playoffs next season to have a successful step forward, and should not prioritize it over getting younger and free up cap space. I'm not saying they should buy out Atkinson, all I am saying is right now they will have no choice.

Again a rebuild is not the same thing as tear down to the studs and tank. I think the Flyers are trying to rebuild.
- jd250

The Flyers are already a laughing stock. There is a gigantic amount of cognitive dissonance by the organization about what the Flyers actually are.

They view themselves as some kind of gold standard to be emulated around the league. In reality they are a cautionary tale. The sharp GMs have them correctly pegged around the league and take advantage when appropriate. Or ignore altogether.

I don't want the Flyers to step back to be a laughing stock of the league as they were in 2021 or 2022.
- jd250

They weren't a laughing stock because they were losing... they were a laughing stock because all that losing was unintentional lol.

People knew what the 'Hawks and Sharks were trying to do. And with Bedard and Celebrini in hand the ends will likely justify the means.

Meanwhile the Flyers are either too proud, too honorable and/or too profit-driven to do the deed and have 50-years of nothing to show for it.

And if they're not gonna be willing to tank then they should have been investing all their time and resources into giving their scouts and talent evaluators some competitive edge but they didn't do that either. Just the same old philosophy of splashy trades and wasting money in UFA.

It depends how much of a step back they will take. I don't want the Flyers to step back to be a laughing stock of the league as they were in 2021 or 2022. I would like them to remain competitive and play meaningful regular season games, and continue to see development from players like Foerster and Tippet. I'm just saying the Flyers at this stage of the rebuild do not have to make the playoffs next season to have a successful step forward, and should not prioritize it over getting younger and free up cap space. I'm not saying they should buy out Atkinson, all I am saying is right now they will have no choice.

Again a rebuild is not the same thing as tear down to the studs and tank. I think the Flyers are trying to rebuild.
- jd250

My opinion is that making the playoffs WILL be a step back for this franchise. It will prevent them from drafting the talent they need. Wash rinse repeat. They want to play both sides of the coin in perpetuity.

90s hockey is thankfully gone for good. Today's game is vastly different than even the game was 10 years ago. Today's game is about speed and transition, but as we see in the playoffs, size and grit are still key ingredients. To me a team like Dallas is the favorite to win the cup. They have good goaltending, strong defense, highly skilled and fast forwards, plus good size and grit. They have it all and are making a very good team like Colorado look average. I don't see any team that can beat them this year. That is model the Flyers should be striving for. The Flyers need elite talent for sure, but they also need more size and speed IMO.
- jd250

Last year it was Vegas. Now it’s going to be Dallas?

The Flyers are always the dog chasing its own tail.