if they cant move JT full cap without giving up anything. then just keep him
a 30 goal 65 point C is valuable. and he had some bad puck luck last season.

less than a mil in Real $$ some teams can work with that
- senstroll

They have to find 2 teams.

One where he wants to end up and another to eat 4 million after the Leafs retain 2.75.

Like I mapped out, a team like Chicago or Anaheim can take the cap hit and it would cost them nothing. They could get a player (Kampf or Jarnkrok) and a pick for their trouble.

If the Leafs can get a depth player and open up 5.5 AAV in cap space, that's enough to sign either a 2C like Stephensen or a RHD like Pesce or DeMelo.

One little thing when it comes to Marner… if the leafs say they aren’t resigning him he needs to either give up an 8 year deal or agree to a movement elsewhere.

It’s the only hiccup there is and even that’s pretty severe.
- Dozzer

I think the 8th year is a bit overemphasized. If he can get an extra $1M-1.5M/year in free agency, he’s down anywhere from $1.5M to $5M over the contract. I know I wouldn’t work an extra year for a measly extra million and a half.

Marner says no to a resign or a trade the leafs don’t have the choice.

Keep that in mind this time around.
- Dozzer

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.
- Rare_Jewel

its more that idea that something Major has to change...trading JT or letting his contract run out..doesnt really feel like a shakeup...which...after 8 tries...what are we doing here

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.
- Rare_Jewel

The difference is one guy is going to want a raise, and the other is likely going to settle for a team friendly deal.

Obviously Marner is the much better player, but his money is better spent elsewhere.

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.
- Rare_Jewel

You sincerely think a player is going to say that he wants out? Considering that is rarely ever happens I believe nothing coming out of a player’s mouth 99% of the time.

Everything is always an option for a player.

I think the 8th year is a bit overemphasized. If he can get an extra $1M-1.5M/year in free agency, he’s down anywhere from $1.5M to $5M over the contract. I know I wouldn’t work an extra year for a measly extra million and a half.
- Canada Cup

Depending on taxation would play a role lol

Marner doesn't want to leave and doesn't want a trade. Tavares' contract is running out in 1 year and Marner has 6+ years of prime hockey left in him.

The Leafs do have a choice. Get rid of the guy who isn't worth the money anymore. And if he refuses, you resign Marner and use the Tavares cap space next season instead of this season.

This idea that "Marner must be removed" is ridiculous.
- Rare_Jewel

Why do you think Tavares wants to be traded? The JT contract is a one year problem. He either signs a team friendly deal or he goes after this upcoming season. I think ts far more likely that he stays.

its more that idea that something Major has to change...trading JT or letting his contract run out..doesnt really feel like a shakeup...which...after 8 tries...what are we doing here
- senstroll

Trading the captain is the biggest shake up they can make.

Especially because his signing is the main reason they haven't been able to win or build around the guys they started this whole team with.

We are getting rid of Tavares and keeping our star players who are still in their prime 20s.

Depending on taxation would play a role lol
- Dozzer

I was expecting that HR Dozzer

The difference is one guy is going to want a raise, and the other is likely going to settle for a team friendly deal.

Obviously Marner is the much better player, but his money is better spent elsewhere.
- Whipper

If he really really wants to stay...then the Leafs can test his loyalty and offer him a ....real team friendly deal.

otherwise...pref is to move him

Trading the captain is the biggest shake up they can make.

Especially because his signing is the main reason they haven't been able to win or build around the guys they started this whole team with.

We are getting rid of Tavares and keeping our star players who are still in their prime 20s.
- Rare_Jewel

Trading Matthews would be a much bigger shakeup

haha (frank)ing Jays

The difference is one guy is going to want a raise, and the other is likely going to settle for a team friendly deal.

Obviously Marner is the much better player, but his money is better spent elsewhere.
- Whipper

Marner's "raise" is probably 1.5 AAV. Tavares is overpaid by 6 million.

Marner is better spent staying a Leaf.

Trading Matthews would be a much bigger shakeup
- drexel

Can't trade the leading goal scorer in the NHL.

Ovechkin didn't win a Cup for a very long time. Capitals didn't trade him.

I made a list but you deleted it...

After July 1st signing bonus.

Leafs retain 25% on Tavares = 2.75 AAV dead cap hit.

To CHI or ANA: 50% of 8.25 (4.125 AAV), Kampf and a 2nd round pick.
*Or any other team willing to eat 4 AAV for cap floor reasons.

To Islanders: Tavares at 4.125 AAV (338K real dollars)

To Leafs: Cizikas (2.5 AAV)

If he feels like going back to where it all started the Islanders pay him next to nothing in real dollars and he provides 25 goals, 60 points. Pretty good deal for all 3 parties.

If he feels like being closer to Oakville, Buffalo is closer, still gets to play in the top-6 and the Leafs get a big body LW (Greenway @ 3 AAV). Any other depth player with a low cap hit or recovery of 2nd/3rd round picks would be acceptable.

A lot of other teams could fill in at this final landing spot if Tavares only costs 4.125 AAV against the cap. Probably a lot of contenders all over the league would be calling, making him offers to join them. If the Leafs can get back a depth player for less than 3 AAV, the deal works. Could also recover 2nd/3rd round picks from the right buyer if he wants to join a contender in the West for 1 season (Dallas, Vegas, Colorado, Edmonton).
- Rare_Jewel

there's all kind of wrong with this train of thought

The Leafs need to keep their 1st round pick

now you need to replace 3 players who will most likely not outperform JT.
and there goes your cap space you are trying to gain.

you suck it up an YOU KEEP JT. it's so plain and simple, no need to complicate things.

If he really really wants to stay...then the Leafs can test his loyalty and offer him a ....real team friendly deal.

otherwise...pref is to move him
- senstroll

I just don't think MMs game suits what you need in the playoffs. Time and space disappear the further you go, and Mitch's entire game is using time and space.

Heck of a player, but we need a big change.

haha (frank)ing Jays
- senstroll

So Leafy

I just don't think MMs game suits what you need in the playoffs. Time and space disappears the further you go, and Mitch's entire game is using time and space.

Heck of a player, but we need a big change.
- Whipper

oh I agree

Why do you think Tavares wants to be traded? The JT contract is a one year problem. He either signs a team friendly deal or he goes after this upcoming season. I think ts far more likely that he stays.
- Canada Cup

He will be traded if the Leafs tell him they don't want him back after his deal is over.

He didn't do anything in his prime, he won't do anything going forward either.

He had his chance, it's over.

So Leafy
- Whipper

just soul crushing teams I cheer for..absolute trash always

Can't trade the leading goal scorer in the NHL.

Ovechkin didn't win a Cup for a very long time. Capitals didn't trade him.
- Rare_Jewel

Gretzky got traded

just soul crushing teams I cheer for..absolute trash always
- senstroll

yah

haha (frank)ing Jays
- senstroll

Amazing some people are in love with Varsho and his .210 BA

Gretzky got traded
- drexel

sold.