They can not be over 87.7M on opening night. They can not use LTIR until after they submit their cap-compliant roster to the league. Ellis and Johansen will be on the opening night roster - that 10.25M is on the books and will be used when determining if the team is cap-compliant. After opening night they can place players on LTIR. The team can go over in the offseason but must be cap-compliant on opening night - as their roster is constructed today; they are (frank)ed
- corduroy

Again, the way I read it, they can't be 8.77 million (10%) over the cap using LTIR to start the season. Anything under the 10% (when It is removed to start the season) can be exceeded using LTIR.

Can someone (MJL, LOL) clarify this for us.

Looking through Cap Friendly, plenty of teams that have to make roster decisions. Canes out again, only one team wins the cup, the rest are still building.

Right because the Flyers are not making any moves between now and next season … come on already
- jd250

You're badly missing the point. The point is that the Flyers are the team with the least cap space going into the season, yet are no where close to contending. Maybe you're under the illusion that the Flyers are going to drastically cut cap space and aren't going to try and compete next season.

Cap Friendly lists the roster at 19 of 23 - so before LTIR they have 500K to round out the roster. My understanding is they can not use LTIR until the season begins - they have to be cap-compliant before using LTIR - so it is actually worse than it looks
- corduroy

Not the case anymore. There is now off season LTIR

It's pretty embarrassing honestly. What are they paying all that money for?
- mickel25

The ranks are misleading, they represent active contracts. Edmonton has to sign a lot of free agents,

Flyers have to sign Zamula.

Ryjo and Ellis on LTIR will give them plenty of room

I don’t know what he is doing or feeling. I am just stating that if he really wants to play in the NHL he needs to develop here, not the KHL
- jd250

That's false. As Bill stated in the blog. There are plenty of examples of successful NHL goalies coming over at 23 or later.

They can not be over 87.7M on opening night. They can not use LTIR until after they submit their cap-compliant roster to the league. Ellis and Johansen will be on the opening night roster - that 10.25M is on the books and will be used when determining if the team is cap-compliant. After opening night they can place players on LTIR. The team can go over in the offseason but must be cap-compliant on opening night - as their roster is constructed today; they are (frank)ed
- corduroy

That's false. A team has the option of submitting a roster on opening night with players on LTIR or waiting until after. Whatever maximizes their LTIR cap space.

Not the case anymore. There is now off season LTIR
- MJL

so teams no longer need to be cap complaint on opening night without using LTIR?

The ranks are misleading, they represent active contracts. Edmonton has to sign a lot of free agents,

Flyers have to sign Zamula.

Ryjo and Ellis on LTIR will give them plenty of room
- WhiskeyMan

Not misleading at all if you understand the cap. It gives the cap picture and how much room teams have to sign RFA's and UFA's. That the entire point of it.

so teams no longer need to be cap complaint on opening night without using LTIR?
- corduroy

That has never been the case.

The ranks are misleading, they represent active contracts. Edmonton has to sign a lot of free agents,

Flyers have to sign Zamula.

Ryjo and Ellis on LTIR will give them plenty of room
- WhiskeyMan

Not so sure... isn't this the available cap $ to sign UFAs and RFAs? Genuinely asking...

Not misleading at all if you understand the cap. It gives the cap picture and how much room teams have to sign RFA's and UFA's. That the entire point of it.
- MJL

Blessing in disguise

Not so sure... isn't this the available cap $ to sign UFAs and RFAs? Genuinely asking...
- Flyfly

Yes, it's not misleading. But as noted, some teams can increase available space by using LTIR.

Yes, it's not misleading. But as noted, some teams can increase available space by using LTIR.
- MJL

Aren't the Flyers technically over the cap right now when accounting for Petersen?

Capfriendly has him pre-buried.

Aren't the Flyers technically over the cap right now when accounting for Petersen?

Capfriendly has him pre-buried.
- Tomahawk

I thought the same thing.

Again, the way I read it, they can't be 8.77 million (10%) over the cap using LTIR to start the season. Anything under the 10% (when It is removed to start the season) can be exceeded using LTIR.

Can someone (MJL, LOL) clarify this for us.
- MBFlyerfan

I stand corrected - my bad

Aren't the Flyers technically over the cap right now when accounting for Petersen?

Capfriendly has him pre-buried.
- Tomahawk

Technically yes. Off season cap accounting rules are that any player signed to a one way contract counts against the cap in the off season, regardless of where he played the previous season. Players on two way contracts count commensurate with the amount of time they spent on the NHL roster the previous season. For example, if a player on a 2 way spent 30 days on a NHL roster the previous season, then the NHL team must account for that 30 days if he is still under contract. The formula would be players cap hit/days in the season times 30. Teams still have to be cap compliant during the off season using the available 10% overage and possibility of off season LTIR. This will include any qualifying offers they make to players. So yes, Petersen counts in full technically on the off season cap. Cap friendly makes estimates in the off season. They can't know what a team's actual roster is going to eventually look like.

Not misleading at all if you understand the cap. It gives the cap picture and how much room teams have to sign RFA's and UFA's. That the entire point of it.
- MJL

People were poking fun at the Flyers because they are listed #1 because of cap space they did not have UFA's and RFA's on their mind. That is what I was pointing out.

I stand corrected - my bad
- corduroy

No worries, that is why we have respectful discussions. I thought the same as you until I dove into it.

People were poking fun at the Flyers because they are listed #1 because of cap space they did not have UFA's and RFA's on their mind. That is what I was pointing out.
- WhiskeyMan

You routinely try and spin statements afterwards. It's not misleading. The Flyers cap space situation is what it is and it's not misleading. They're a team far away from contending that is up against it. Some of that is due to taking on contracts to get future assets but it is what it is. It will get better in the future if they're smart about it. They're normally not.

No worries, that is why we have respectful discussions. I thought the same as you until I dove into it.
- MBFlyerfan

this is hilarious

why be upset they are up against the cap in a year we aren’t winning anything when part of the reason is we took on RyJo for a 1st? Shouldn’t we weaponize cap space?

As soon as we do folks here are whining that we have no cap space to do anything. What exactly do you want them to do? Sign a big name in free agency?

You routinely try and spin statements afterwards. It's not misleading. The Flyers cap space situation is what it is and it's not misleading. They're a team far away from contending that is up against it. Some of that is due to taking on contracts to get future assets but it is what it is. It will get better in the future if they're smart about it. They're normally not.
- MJL

Look Ass Hat, people were hating on they Flyers because people look for anything to laugh at them for. Did people click on other teams to see why they had more cap space, probably not.

So what I should have aske to the people making fin of the Flyers is why do they think the Flyers are at the top of the list. People asked what are they spending on, that was a very easy question to answer. People were not thinking of UFAs and RFAs, just the fact the Flyers have no cap space. Did they forget that 2 people will be going on LTIR or IR, no, they just wanted to make fun of the Flyers.

I know it meant how much room teams have to spend on free agents, but I am not looking to point out the Flyers failures like other love to do.

I am going to stop replying to you, I will not participate in helping you do your best impersonation of Toobin every time you try to point out you are a super genius compared to us pleebs.

Flyers being #1 is actually good for the organization, especially coGM DB. He is mandated to spend to the cap. At his next performance review this is a feather in his cap rather than a black eye.

this is hilarious
- Black_Francis

Here we go again. What now, you gonna threaten to expose my address or something?