I can also project what a Konecny extension looks like. Too much for too long.
- MJL

I think don't think it's fair to make this statement yet. It really depends on what else the Flyers do with their roster. What if Briere and company decide its best to part ways with Couts and they can trade him to another team and get out from all or most of his contract. The resigning TK and making him the captain of the team makes a lot of sense. So to me, I am open to trading TK if it will accelerate the rebuild by getting back a potential 1D or 1C, but I am also quite happy to keep him if other roster changes are made.

Actually, I think he is mocking MJL by making a minor alteration and yet getting worked up about it. The use of the word ... "absolutely" is the giveaway.
- PT21

That's just your bias coming through. There was nothing to mock. The opinion I offered is the prevalent opinion.

TK is a tailor made asset to trade. Particularly for a “rebuilding” team that lacks elite talent, especially at the center position.

It’s a layup that is grounds for dismissal (reason: incompetence) if missed.

Makes it even more entertaining that the Flyers are already laying the groundwork for a mega extension. Probably didn’t even consider trading TK!

😆
- StepfordSam

I feel like if Konecny is extended then you almost have to move Farabee. He would be an attractive piece at his age and skills. Contract is not bad.

This team needs to shed money to reshape this team.

TK is a tailor made asset to trade. Particularly for a “rebuilding” team that lacks elite talent, especially at the center position.

It’s a layup that is grounds for dismissal (reason: incompetence) if missed.

Makes it even more entertaining that the Flyers are already laying the groundwork for a mega extension. Probably didn’t even consider trading TK!

😆
- StepfordSam

TK and #12 to MTL, we could then draft Lidstrom or Richardinson or parekh.

I think don't think it's fair to make this statement yet. It really depends on what else the Flyers do with their roster. What if Briere and company decide its best to part ways with Couts and they can trade him to another team and get out from all or most of his contract. The resigning TK and making him the captain of the team makes a lot of sense. So to me, I am open to trading TK if it will accelerate the rebuild by getting back a potential 1D or 1C, but I am also quite happy to keep him if other roster changes are made.
- jd250

No, it doesn't have anything to do with whatever moves they make. As a rebuilding team, they should trade Konecny, period in my opinion. Of course you'll rubber stamp whatever other moves they make to put the team on the path to the cup.

Reported package was Simmonds, B.Schenn, Lecavalier, Matt Read and L.Schenn for 1st overall.

Simmonds was the sticking point. Per reports.
- J35Bacher

If that’s true I would have accepted that so fast. It’s basically Simmonds and B Schenn for 1st overall. They would have still had their own first, 17th overall. That pick was used on Sanheim. After giving up mostly forwards and then drafting Ekblad 1st they could have used 17 on a forward, say someone like Pastranak who went 8 picks later.

I think don't think it's fair to make this statement yet. It really depends on what else the Flyers do with their roster. What if Briere and company decide its best to part ways with Couts and they can trade him to another team and get out from all or most of his contract. The resigning TK and making him the captain of the team makes a lot of sense. So to me, I am open to trading TK if it will accelerate the rebuild by getting back a potential 1D or 1C, but I am also quite happy to keep him if other roster changes are made.
- jd250

Don't think that happens. Only way I see him moved is if he asks for it and then they would probably take a bad deal back. And most contracts making that money have NTC or NMC conditions. So not a very easy trade unless you attaching an asset and in that case what's the point.

If that’s true I would have accepted that so fast. It’s basically Simmonds and B Schenn for 1st overall. They would have still had their own first, 17th overall. That pick was used on Sanheim. After giving up mostly forwards and then drafting Ekblad 1st they could have used 17 on a forward, say someone like Pastranak who went 8 picks later.
- Schmojo

And they would have had a ton of cap space to reshape the roster.

And they would have had a ton of cap space to reshape the roster.
- J35Bacher

looking back, the Flyer were one trade short of doing it right, they needed to move Simmer or Jake.

If that’s true I would have accepted that so fast. It’s basically Simmonds and B Schenn for 1st overall. They would have still had their own first, 17th overall. That pick was used on Sanheim. After giving up mostly forwards and then drafting Ekblad 1st they could have used 17 on a forward, say someone like Pastranak who went 8 picks later.
- Schmojo

If that's true is the key. I ask myself if I had the #1 pick, would I make that deal? There is hindsight involved of course but the flip side of accepting that so fast is that from the other perspective, would you have?

looking back, the Flyer were one trade short of doing it right, they needed to move Simmer or Jake.
- wcorvette

At the time of Voracek being extended, he was looking like an elite player.

At the time of Voracek being extended, he was looking like an elite player.
- MJL

agree, why I think Simmer was the move. I get keeping G and Jake, that was the era of the two headed attack. You had Crosby and Malkin, Philly had G and Jake.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with whatever moves they make. As a rebuilding team, they should trade Konecny, period in my opinion. Of course you'll rubber stamp whatever other moves they make to put the team on the path to the cup.
- MJL

So you don't think TK can help a team win a Cup? He's not a good player that is still in his prime years? I understand with the timeline you are thinking of that by the time the Flyers are legitimately good TK will be past his prime, and you could be right. But I also think there is a chance the Flyers can be good sooner and TK can be a big part of a legitimate cup contender. In the end, if TK is looking for $10M plus for 7-8 years I would pass also, but honestly comparing TKs output to recent 7 year contracts, he is not going to get as much as you think he will.

Don't think that happens. Only way I see him moved is if he asks for it and then they would probably take a bad deal back. And most contracts making that money have NTC or NMC conditions. So not a very easy trade unless you attaching an asset and in that case what's the point.
- J35Bacher

They would be selling low on Couts given the year he just had, but then again he is clearly not happy with Torts and he has a new agent, so you never know. The Flyers traded Hayes away for nothing.

I think don't think it's fair to make this statement yet. It really depends on what else the Flyers do with their roster. What if Briere and company decide its best to part ways with Couts and they can trade him to another team and get out from all or most of his contract. The resigning TK and making him the captain of the team makes a lot of sense. So to me, I am open to trading TK if it will accelerate the rebuild by getting back a potential 1D or 1C, but I am also quite happy to keep him if other roster changes are made.
- jd250

well your not getting that back more than likely. it is a long shot.

I hope ex selke uses his NTC and tells the flyers to pound sand if they want to move him.

there is team taking on that contract without an equally bad one coming back.

agree, why I think Simmer was the move. I get keeping G and Jake, that was the era of the two headed attack. You had Crosby and Malkin, Philly had G and Jake.
- wcorvette

thats the main reason why flyers never did anything.....

So you don't think TK can help a team win a Cup? He's not a good player that is still in his prime years? I understand with the timeline you are thinking of that by the time the Flyers are legitimately good TK will be past his prime, and you could be right. But I also think there is a chance the Flyers can be good sooner and TK can be a big part of a legitimate cup contender. In the end, if TK is looking for $10M plus for 7-8 years I would pass also, but honestly comparing TKs output to recent 7 year contracts, he is not going to get as much as you think he will.
- jd250

on another team I agree.

he is getting over 8 million.

on another team I agree.

he is getting over 8 million.
- hello it's me 2050

PLD turned his 60 and 63 point seasons into 8 years and 8.5 AAV.

Konecny is getting at LEAST that.

So you don't think TK can help a team win a Cup? He's not a good player that is still in his prime years? I understand with the timeline you are thinking of that by the time the Flyers are legitimately good TK will be past his prime, and you could be right. But I also think there is a chance the Flyers can be good sooner and TK can be a big part of a legitimate cup contender. In the end, if TK is looking for $10M plus for 7-8 years I would pass also, but honestly comparing TKs output to recent 7 year contracts, he is not going to get as much as you think he will.
- jd250

I think TK would help a contender for sure. He is a heck of a player. Couts - as it stands today we have no idea what the Flyers or Couts plans are for 2024-25. You are going to eat a large contract in return "IF" they could even trade him. I can't see anyone taking that contract without the Flyers eating a massive contract coming back.

If TK is asking for 9M x 8 yrs would you still sign him? If that is what his camp is looking I still think you need to try and move him for assets.

PLD turned his 60 and 63 point seasons into 8 years and 8.5 AAV.

Konecny is getting at LEAST that.
- MBFlyerfan

IF they sign him, you pray for hometown discount. PLD is a center?

IF they sign him, you pray for hometown discount. PLD is a center?
- wcorvette

All true.

IF they sign him, you pray for hometown discount. PLD is a center?
- wcorvette

The cap also went up and is supposed to continue to rise. TK will get at least that AAV.

So you don't think TK can help a team win a Cup? He's not a good player that is still in his prime years? I understand with the timeline you are thinking of that by the time the Flyers are legitimately good TK will be past his prime, and you could be right. But I also think there is a chance the Flyers can be good sooner and TK can be a big part of a legitimate cup contender. In the end, if TK is looking for $10M plus for 7-8 years I would pass also, but honestly comparing TKs output to recent 7 year contracts, he is not going to get as much as you think he will.
- jd250

The Flyers aren't anywhere close to being a team that can win the cup. Nor will they be there anytime soon. You're caught up in the same nonsense beliefs that you've always been caught up in. Foolishly believing that the Flyers getting to legit cup contention can happen sooner rather than later. You still don't understand the NHL salary market. I don't think Konecny is looking for 10M nor have I ever stated that he was.

The Flyers aren't anywhere close to being a team that can win the cup. Nor will they be there anytime soon. You're caught up in the same nonsense beliefs that you've always been caught up in. Foolishly believing that the Flyers getting to legit cup contention can happen sooner rather than later. You still don't understand the NHL salary market. I don't think Konecny is looking for 10M nor have I ever stated that he was.
- MJL

I think Konecny is looking at 8 years, 8-9 mil a year. I think he falls somewhere in there.

And like you have said. For the Flyers, it just isn't a good deal for a team that needs to rebuild, move contracts and money and try to obtain younger top end talent.

The only thing that deal does is make them medicore. Not good enough to win a cup and not bad enough to pick high.

I think Konecny is looking at 8 years, 8-9 mil a year. I think he falls somewhere in there.

And like you have said. For the Flyers, it just isn't a good deal for a team that needs to rebuild, move contracts and money and try to obtain younger top end talent.

The only thing that deal does is make them medicore. Not good enough to win a cup and not bad enough to pick high.
- J35Bacher

I agree, 8 years for somewhere between 8-9M