I agree, 8 years for somewhere between 8-9M
- MJL

A deal I don't want to do.

I would move him, I would move Laughton. I move anyone not named Michkov depending on return. I think there is a chance you can get another first. Buffalo and Montreal I have read different places are willing to trade those picks for more immediate help. Also NJ could be interesting since they are win now maybe they are open.

If I can get another top 12 pick that would go a long way in maybe walking out of the draft with 2 building blocks.

A deal I don't want to do.

I would move him, I would move Laughton. I move anyone not named Michkov depending on return. I think there is a chance you can get another first. Buffalo and Montreal I have read different places are willing to trade those picks for more immediate help. Also NJ could be interesting since they are win now maybe they are open.

If I can get another top 12 pick that would go a long way in maybe walking out of the draft with 2 building blocks.
- J35Bacher

Michkov needs a center! Best way to get one is to draft one and let them grow together

Does Ellis interest Tampa at this point? Strictly as an LTIR asset?
- mickel25

I could see the Flyers going hard after Eric Cernak in a TB salary purge.

6'3 230 and oft-injured... you just can't teach that.

apparently the Flyers leadership said even if MM came over, the Flyers won't be active with FA's, open for hockey trades

apparently the Flyers leadership said even if MM came over, the Flyers won't be active with FA's, open for hockey trades
- wcorvette

God only knows what that means

God only knows what that means
- funmaster18

I will give DB the benefit of the doubt with that part, of course, there is always a chance an order from above forces his hand.

Danny did the bare minimum at the deadline to keep my faith in their cause. It was no doubt tough for him to trade Walker in a playoff race but he did it….TK/Laughton/Walker, AT LEAST one needed to be moved and he did it.

He needs to move AT LEAST one of TK/Laughton/Risto this off season for either future assets or a hockey trade to get more center depth.

I don’t watch enough Carolina games….can Necas be a full time center? He’s obviously not a number 1, but if he can play the middle he’s a guy I could see Danny trading TK for.

Flyers open to trade for Risto according to Ek. Very funny.

I hope they aren’t under the impression he is an asset with value. Something poop is coming back or picks will have to be added.

A deal I don't want to do.

I would move him, I would move Laughton. I move anyone not named Michkov depending on return. I think there is a chance you can get another first. Buffalo and Montreal I have read different places are willing to trade those picks for more immediate help. Also NJ could be interesting since they are win now maybe they are open.

If I can get another top 12 pick that would go a long way in maybe walking out of the draft with 2 building blocks.
- J35Bacher

The only untouchable asset in this franchise is Michkov in my opinion. I'm not in favor of the Flyers wheeling and dealing to try and build the team up. I don't think that is a high percentage plan but if they can move someone for future youth and high level assets. They should do it.

Danny did the bare minimum at the deadline to keep my faith in their cause. It was no doubt tough for him to trade Walker in a playoff race but he did it….TK/Laughton/Walker, AT LEAST one needed to be moved and he did it.

He needs to move AT LEAST one of TK/Laughton/Risto this off season for either future assets or a hockey trade to get more center depth.

I don’t watch enough Carolina games….can Necas be a full time center? He’s obviously not a number 1, but if he can play the middle he’s a guy I could see Danny trading TK for.
- Wingdestroyer

The Flyers moved Walker because he wanted too much money. Not because they wanted to move him for future assets.

I would think Carolina, if they're going to move Necas, would be doing it to free up cap space for Guentzel.

A fun article regarding Reggie Leach and the playoff goal scoring record. Not Meltzer level writing but worth a read.

The elusive playoff goals record is under threat again:

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2909783

Danny did the bare minimum at the deadline to keep my faith in their cause. It was no doubt tough for him to trade Walker in a playoff race but he did it….TK/Laughton/Walker, AT LEAST one needed to be moved and he did it.

He needs to move AT LEAST one of TK/Laughton/Risto this off season for either future assets or a hockey trade to get more center depth.

I don’t watch enough Carolina games….can Necas be a full time center? He’s obviously not a number 1, but if he can play the middle he’s a guy I could see Danny trading TK for.
- Wingdestroyer

Maybe. Is 7.5 Mil/7yrs. too much and too long?

on another team I agree.

he is getting over 8 million.
- hello it's me 2050

I would even give him $8m I’ if it were for less years, but not 7 or 8 years. He says he loves it here, let’s see how much.

Maybe. Is 7.5 Mil/7yrs. too much and too long?
- Minnyhock

It might even be too long and too much

I would even give him $8m I’ if it were for less years, but not 7 or 8 years. He says he loves it here, let’s see how much.
- jd250

Wait, you said he is the face of the franchise. The leader and best player on the team. Now you want to insult him with a low ball offer and hope he takes a hometown discount? You clearly don't understand the NHL salary structure.

If that's true is the key. I ask myself if I had the #1 pick, would I make that deal? There is hindsight involved of course but the flip side of accepting that so fast is that from the other perspective, would you have?
- MJL

If I was Florida I would not have made that trade, personally. But Dale Tallon had just finished his 4th season as GM. He drafted Gudbranson in 2010 at 3rd overall, Huberdeau in 2011 at 3rd overall, in 2013 Barkov at 2nd overall. They also still had Kulikov. Having rebuilt the Blackhawks only to be fired right before he saw the fruit of his labor, he may have been more interested in acquiring immediate help, to avoid the same fate. If you look back at their 2014/15 team, Tallon did add a few veterans to try to become better. They acquired Luongo prior to the end of the previous season. Then acquired Jussi Jokinen, Dave Bolland, Willie Mitchell, and Jagr. They also had a young Bjugstad. If they make that trade with Philly, their lines look something like:

Huberdeau/Bjugstad/Simmonds
Schenn/Barkov/Jagr
Jokinen/Lecavalier/Read

At the time that would have been a very envious top 6. Remember, Schenn was a former 5th overall pick and was valued very highly around the league. He was the center piece of the Richards trade. And just a few seasons later would net the Flyers 2 1st rd picks by himself.

Ultimately, it worked out for Florida as they have been able to build a great team around the foundation of Barkov and Ekblad. Though Dale Tallon is no longer around to potentially see the fruit of his labor, again. I’ve been on the rebuild bandwagon since 2013, and this shows why it’s the way to go. Florida was better off keeping the pick rather than trading it for several known commodities.

If I was Florida I would not have made that trade, personally. But Dale Tallon had just finished his 4th season as GM. He drafted Gudbranson in 2010 at 3rd overall, Huberdeau in 2011 at 3rd overall, in 2013 Barkov at 2nd overall. They also still had Kulikov. Having rebuilt the Blackhawks only to be fired right before he saw the fruit of his labor, he may have been more interested in acquiring immediate help, to avoid the same fate. If you look back at their 2014/15 team, Tallon did add a few veterans to try to become better. They acquired Luongo prior to the end of the previous season. Then acquired Jussi Jokinen, Dave Bolland, Willie Mitchell, and Jagr. They also had a young Bjugstad. If they make that trade with Philly, thereines look something like:

Huberdeau/Bjugstad/Simmonds
Schenn/Barkov/Jagr
Jokinen/Lecavalier/Read

At the time that would have been a very envious top 6. Remember, Schenn was a former 5th overall pick and was valued very highly around the league. He was the center piece of the Richards trade. And just a few seasons later would net the Flyers 2 1st rd picks by himself.

Ultimately, it worked out for Florida as they have been able to build a great team around the foundation of Barkov and Ekblad. Though Dale Tallon is no longer around to potentially see the fruit of his labor, again. I’ve been on the rebuild bandwagon since 2013, and this shows why it’s the way to go. Florida was better off keeping the pick rather than trading it for several known commodities.
- Schmojo

Its stories like this that remind me why I have such a problem with the "we will be contenders again in 2-3 years" crowd. It takes a long time to do it right. And a lot of luck. Things the Flyers are in short supply of, patience and luck.

So you don't think TK can help a team win a Cup? He's not a good player that is still in his prime years? I understand with the timeline you are thinking of that by the time the Flyers are legitimately good TK will be past his prime, and you could be right. But I also think there is a chance the Flyers can be good sooner and TK can be a big part of a legitimate cup contender. In the end, if TK is looking for $10M plus for 7-8 years I would pass also, but honestly comparing TKs output to recent 7 year contracts, he is not going to get as much as you think he will.
- jd250

The thing is, how much sooner do you think the Flyers will be ready to compete? Konecny is 27 years old. Let’s say he gets an 8yr deal at $9m and he’s as good as he is now for 6 more years. So you have a 6 year window with TK, which means every year it takes for the Flyers to become contenders, that window shrinks. They won’t be contenders next season, so you’re down to a 5 year window. Do you think they’ll be ready then? If not, now you’re down to a 4 year window. Well, what happens with some of the younger guys now? If they’re going to become contenders sooner than expected than that implies that guys like Foerster, Drysdale, York, Michkov, Bonk and one of the goalies have developed into top line players and will be due significant raises. Additionally, it means the Flyers have somehow found a #1C who is likely to cost a lot of $.

I like TK a lot as a player. But it just doesn’t make sense for a team at minimum a few years away to keep him. I also don’t like the philosophy of paying a winger, who’s never reached 70pts, that much money.

A deal I don't want to do.

I would move him, I would move Laughton. I move anyone not named Michkov depending on return. I think there is a chance you can get another first. Buffalo and Montreal I have read different places are willing to trade those picks for more immediate help. Also NJ could be interesting since they are win now maybe they are open.

If I can get another top 12 pick that would go a long way in maybe walking out of the draft with 2 building blocks.
- J35Bacher

We don’t have a lot of highend talent, the best place to acquire that is the top of the draft, it’s not the only way, but it’s the best way. The team should sell high on TK and start rebuilding.

I saw this online, interesting.


Draisaitl - 3rd OA
McDavid - 1st OA
Bouchard - 10th OA
Nugent-Hopinks - 1st OA
Makar - 4th OA
Zibanejad - 6th OA
MacKinnon - 1st OA
Rantanen - 10th OA
Tkachuk - 6th OA
Barkov - 2nd OA
Heiskanen - 3rd OA

11 of the 13 playoff point leaders are top 10 picks. (85%)

I think Konecny is looking at 8 years, 8-9 mil a year. I think he falls somewhere in there.

And like you have said. For the Flyers, it just isn't a good deal for a team that needs to rebuild, move contracts and money and try to obtain younger top end talent.

The only thing that deal does is make them medicore. Not good enough to win a cup and not bad enough to pick high.
- J35Bacher

Agreed

A deal I don't want to do.

I would move him, I would move Laughton. I move anyone not named Michkov depending on return. I think there is a chance you can get another first. Buffalo and Montreal I have read different places are willing to trade those picks for more immediate help. Also NJ could be interesting since they are win now maybe they are open.

If I can get another top 12 pick that would go a long way in maybe walking out of the draft with 2 building blocks.
- J35Bacher

I wouldn’t preemptively make a deal with Buffalo or NJ. Only if one of the defenseman falls would I trade up with NJ or Buffalo. I would trade up anywhere in the top 7 ahead of the draft. I’d love to see them move into the top 7 without moving 12. Get one of the top D then hope Catton falls to 12. If he doesn’t and Eiserman is still there, take a chance on him. I don’t see anyone else who’s likely available at 12 as foundational pieces.

apparently the Flyers leadership said even if MM came over, the Flyers won't be active with FA's, open for hockey trades
- wcorvette

They don’t have the cap space to do much and it’s a pretty weak free agent class. They need to move money out to bring money in and that’s only doable through trades. That statement does not indicate that they’re sticking to a rebuild strategy.

We don’t have a lot of highend talent, the best place to acquire that is the top of the draft, it’s not the only way, but it’s the best way. The team should sell high on TK and start rebuilding.

I saw this online, interesting.


Draisaitl - 3rd OA
McDavid - 1st OA
Bouchard - 10th OA
Nugent-Hopinks - 1st OA
Makar - 4th OA
Zibanejad - 6th OA
MacKinnon - 1st OA
Rantanen - 10th OA
Tkachuk - 6th OA
Barkov - 2nd OA
Heiskanen - 3rd OA

11 of the 13 playoff point leaders are top 10 picks. (85%)
- Dave21Brown

And that doesn’t even include guys like Ekblad (1st overall) who without Florida wouldn’t be there. Or Alexis Lafrenière (1st) who has 10pts in 10 games and his jump this season is a big reason why NYR are so good. Or even Seguin (2nd) has been valuable for Dallas.

And that doesn’t even include guys like Ekblad (1st overall) who without Florida wouldn’t be there. Or Alexis Lafrenière (1st) who has 10pts in 10 games and his jump this season is a big reason why NYR are so good. Or even Seguin (2nd) has been valuable for Dallas.
- Schmojo

There are exceptions to the rule, like Wyatt Johnston, Roope Hintz and Jason Robertson, but your organization has to be really good, and, or, really lucky at drafting. Something the Flyers haven’t excelled at for some time.

There are exceptions to the rule, like Wyatt Johnston, Roope Hintz and Jason Robertson, but your organization has to be really good, and, or, really lucky at drafting. Something the Flyers haven’t excelled at for some time.
- Dave21Brown

Exactly, every team misses on picks. Even Dallas has missed on quite a few guys over the years. But the key is when you do hit, you gotta hit big. 2017 & 2021 were huge, 2017:Heiskanen, Oettinger, Robertson 2021: Johnston & Stankoven.

Tampa missed on Drouin (2013 3rd) and Koekkoek (2012 10th) in back to back years but already had Stamkos and Hedman as foundational pieces. They were smart to move Drouin while he still had value to get Sergachev. They also passed on Kucherov in 2011, taking Namestnikov with their 1st before taking Kucherov in the late 2nd.