Rota mentioned this earlier, Puckpedia's feature where you can enter proposed draft pick trades to find fair value.

https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I ran a couple of scenarios to see where the Hawks could move up further by trading #18.

#18 to #12 (Philadelphia) would require #36. (Hawks have #34)
#18 to #14 (San Jose) would require #48. (Hawks have #50)

To me, there is too much of a coincidence that the new picks obtained yesterday line up closely with the above. I think KD laid the groundwork for a draft day trade yesterday, and that he has discussed these possibilities already with PHI and SJS.

I think he's expecting a forward like Eiserman, Catton, Hage to be there at 12 or 14 and is targeting one of them. He can select two good forwards in the 1st round and then draft some D men in the later rounds.
- boilermaker100

I think SJ is open to quantity over quality and would want an additional second this year or next and move down the 4 spots.

Maybe swapping like a 4th for a 3rd or something like that as part of it as well.

If KD doesn’t have another move planned, giving up a second round pick to move up marginally in the first and second rounds doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, especially considering he has no clue how the draft will unfold. If it were draft day and he wanted to move up to secure a specific prospect giving up a second makes sense. This doesn’t. That’s why I think it’s KD thats up to something and Lou is happy to get an additional second.
- paulr

On paper the difference between 20 and 18 is like 30-40 points depending on whose chart you look at. I think from their perspective any opportunity to get a better player rather than have quantity for the sake of quantity may not make sense at this stage

On paper the difference between 20 and 18 is like 30-40 points depending on whose chart you look at. I think from their perspective any opportunity to get a better player rather than have quantity for the sake of quantity may not make sense at this stage
- fattybeef

I don't know if it'll be worth it but as a GM I'd rather be drafting at 18 instead of 20. I remember Aaron Donald falling in the draft and i kept thinking i hope the Bears trade up to grab him, they didn't, picked one spot in front of us.

I guess another way to look at is, we all have insurance i take it?, his guys and his app are saying we need to move up a couple of spots to be sure we get 1 of the 18 guys we think will be difference makers in the NHL. Giving up 2 later 2nds to move up 2 spots is his insurance policy.

Articles discussing NYI's rationale for the trade.

https://thehockeynews.com...ft-picks-prospects-ehlers

https://www.thefourthperi...have-more-up-their-sleeve

It's kind of cool the Bears released some of the draft day coverage. They had obviously done their homework. At one point you can see they knew the giants were going to pick a receiver and the guy he talked to said it's going to be Nabers, when Tennessee drafted the tackle he asked his partner what's our percentage and he said 77% they get the guy they want? It's crazy if it's true but the Bears believe they drafted the top 2 players in the draft. Isn't it crazy we got the number one and number 2 player bruh.

So in essence KD has the board baffled. The Hawks have restocked the cupboard and still have 12 picks in the first two rounds coming in the next three drafts. That’s a lot of darts, and I’m sure that he will still move a couple of picks in this three year span. In KD I trust.

So in essence KD has the board baffled. The Hawks have restocked the cupboard and still have 12 picks in the first two rounds coming in the next three drafts. That’s a lot of darts, and I’m sure that he will still move a couple of picks in this three year span. In KD I trust.
- Angotti

It doesn't take much to do that.

Waiting for the other shoe to drop. I got to believe there is a part two to this trade. There will be another trade trade before the draft involving the #18 overall pick.

You don't move up a few picks without some idea of who is or is not going to be on the board on draft day when it is your time to make a selection.
- Ztra

The Brooklyn Lou shoe is probably the one that hits the floor first.

The Isles can use that added pick slot #61 as a sweetener to hand one of their high salalries elsewhere to a team that has cap room and wants more picks.
And if the slection isn't dealt, the Isles can use the depth of three prospects over two.
Will they try and secure Ehlers?

I am not sure that Kyle's intention is more than simply moving two slots up and ensuring they get the 18th player on their draft list.

To me (with no life outside of the draft immersion) the endless possiblities brought about by the 16 clubs going before #18 and how their slections impact the leftovers.

Not predicting, just building momentum of how a high ranked guy can drop.

Can Anton Silayev drop?

Is the almost year long IR status of RD Adam Jiricek have him in free fall?

Can one of of those big six actually fall as teams look elsewhere?

Even more alluring is that a guy with so much talent Berky Catton slips or Konsta Helenius longer runway to the NHL has him lingering as NHL teams start going bigger forward?

I am happy that Toronto born Chicago steel Micheal Hage is now closer to attainable.

But I guess some challenging playoff team might be interested in sending a young forward our way (if we want to give him a raise and an opportunity to play with Bedsy...).

I know Fox gets a lot of fan fare but to me Miller is a defenseman who's skill and size are best suited for playoff hockey. He's been really impressive in this series of all the Rangers defenseman
- BetweenTheDots

This is the reason I think Phillips will be an NHLer. Big, strong, athletic and rangy. Those skills find use in the NHL somewhere. .........And yea man, Miller is fun to watch.

The Brooklyn Lou shoe is probably the one that hits the floor first.

The Isles can use that added pick slot #61 as a sweetener to hand one of their high salalries elsewhere to a team that has cap room and wants more picks.
And if the slection isn't dealt, the Isles can use the depth of three prospects over two.
Will they try and secure Ehlers?

I am not sure that Kyle's intention is more than simply moving two slots up and ensuring they get the 18th player on their draft list.

To me (with no life outside of the draft immersion) the endless possiblities brought about by the 16 clubs going before #18 and how their slections impact the leftovers.

Not predicting, just building momentum of how a high ranked guy can drop.

Can Anton Silayev drop?

Is the almost year long IR status of RD Adam Jiricek have him in free fall?

Can one of of those big six actually fall as teams look elsewhere?

Even more alluring is that a guy with so much talent Berky Catton slips or Konsta Helenius longer runway to the NHL has him lingering as NHL teams start going bigger forward?

I am happy that Toronto born Chicago steel Micheal Hage is now closer to attainable.

But I guess some challenging playoff team might be interested in sending a young forward our way (if we want to give him a raise and an opportunity to play with Bedsy...).
- wiz1901

Could the previous trade by swapping picks with the islanders be the start of something bigger. Say Andrers Lee Oliver walhstrom for a 2026 1st and 3rd in this year's draft going back be a possible trade between the two teams.

This type of trade is usually made on draft day. That’s why this trade is so intriguing.
- paulr

Paul, looks like you have become to victim analysis paralysis.

I want you to consider the words of former great Maple Leaf General Manager Cliff Fletcher "Draft Schmaft". I believe Mr. Fletcher once led them to greatness, just can't remember when that was.

Could the previous trade by swapping picks with the islanders be the start of something bigger. Say Andrers Lee Oliver walhstrom for a 2026 1st and 3rd in this year's draft going back be a possible trade between the two teams.
- Scott1977

I would think the two teams are finished conducting business.

I am betting Kyle asked everybody above #18 for a possible drop down (up?) from #20, and Lou was the only one ready to talk exchange.

Teams usually are not 'just exchanging draft picks."

The other teams early picks are not on the market, unless they get to the draft and they can add a solid NHL player with them, and that talk doesn't ramp up untill they are all in Las Vegas the week prior.

Now that I've had time to think about it, one i think 18 or 19 must be the drop off point for the Blackhawks and two i don't think KD sees value in the 2nd round of this draft otherwise i don't see him giving away a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots.

No matter who the Hawks draft at 18 the BOD will say he would have been there at 20.

I think that is the big issue with trading up at this point in the NHL.

Many of the GM's are still using antiquated methods and feel rather than the value chart similar to the NFL. And you don't really see fun and crazy poop like this in the NHL. It's a boring league for the most part and KFC wheeling and dealing is at least somewhat entertaining.

Acquired WR DJ Moore, the No. 9 and 61 picks in the 2023 draft, a 2024 first-round pick and a 2025 second-round pick from the Carolina Panthers in exchange for the No. 1 pick in the 2023 draft.

Apparently on paper that breaks down to something like this (from the fellers at Bleacher Nation because I'm not smart enough to figure it out on my own):

Panthers

2023 1.1 (1,500)
Total value: 1,500

Bears

D.J. Moore (300)
2023 1.9 (387)
2023 2.61 (86)
2024 Round 1 (1,000)
2025 Round 2 (180)
Total value: 1,953

And then this article argues that the Bears got modest return since other models derate future picks

https://www.windycitygrid...s-trade-win-for-both-team

Pretty interesting stuff - the maths and all that. It's like any statistical analysis - can't be 100% numbers but the numbers should be instructive and not outrageously off.

Mentioned earlier - Tulsky made up a trade chart as well.

https://www.broadstreetho...ft-pick-value-trading-up/

But I stand by my statement a few weeks ago that most NHL teams don't have the balls to do anything radical with top 10 picks. How fun would it be if Buffalo was like hey San Jose how would you like Owen Power, 11 and our first next year and a second the year after that for no1 overall.

More poop like that would be neat. It's not like Buffalo needs more draft picks right now. They need a no 1 200 ft center. San Jose needs everything so more darts for them plus a good big foundational piece on the blue line that is locked in long term.

But because it's hockey nothing fun like that will happen. Everyone in the top 5 will take their pick because these GM's aren't willing to take risks and would rather languish for 5 years than do something bold. Not like their job security changes a whole bunch. Ken Holland still has a job and by some miracle so does Dubas so pretty sure these guys could swing if they really wanted to and not be immediately fired.
- fattybeef

That de rated future pick became Caleb Williams.

Rota mentioned this earlier, Puckpedia's feature where you can enter proposed draft pick trades to find fair value.

https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I ran a couple of scenarios to see where the Hawks could move up further by trading #18.

#18 to #12 (Philadelphia) would require #36. (Hawks have #34)
#18 to #14 (San Jose) would require #48. (Hawks have #50)

To me, there is too much of a coincidence that the new picks obtained yesterday line up closely with the above. I think KD laid the groundwork for a draft day trade yesterday, and that he has discussed these possibilities already with PHI and SJS.

I think he's expecting a forward like Eiserman, Catton, Hage to be there at 12 or 14 and is targeting one of them. He can select two good forwards in the 1st round and then draft some D men in the later rounds.
- boilermaker100

I am not sure why San Jose would trade out of that #14 slot...they know the board and tier that that places them in is much more favorable than adding to the current TWO 2nd rounders or sdding to their 3rd round single pick.

Same with Philly-TWO first rounders, and possibly TWO second rounders (as Columbus must decide after the 2024 first round is complete if they’re sending a 2024 2nd round pick or the 2025 2nd round pick to Philadelphia.) and Philly has their own 3rd.

I just don't see them doing the franchise that won Bedard any favors.

One mre time:
Blackhawk final draft list is completed and number by best player.
They look at the top twenty.

They see that selecting #18 (and their lists candidates at #16, 17, 18, 19...) is better to provide options.

In the 2025 draft, he Blackhawks in the future have SEVEN selections in top four rounds with is a nice launching pad for your scoutubng staff. (2 ones, 2 twos, 1 three, and two fours).
In the 2026 draft, hte Blackhawks in the future have SEVEN selections in top four rounds...(1 ones, 3 twos, 1 three, and two fours).

I think Kyle doesn't have to worry about a Pick Value Calculator saying he "lost the trade."
This would mean all drafts have the same top end.
This would mean all drafts have the SAME cut off point on first round talent (simce most years most late first round selections could have gone inot the second as well as the early seconds could have have interested NHL teams that would have taken them instead.
That all drafts will yield a consistent crop on stars, journeymen , flops...and the drafts just don't go that way.

It's kind of cool the Bears released some of the draft day coverage. They had obviously done their homework. At one point you can see they knew the giants were going to pick a receiver and the guy he talked to said it's going to be Nabers, when Tennessee drafted the tackle he asked his partner what's our percentage and he said 77% they get the guy they want? It's crazy if it's true but the Bears believe they drafted the top 2 players in the draft. Isn't it crazy we got the number one and number 2 player bruh.
- BetweenTheDots

Where can I find that?

Kyle tried to pull the "we are open to use the #18 pick whichever way it helps the club" line out again.

They saw an opportunity to move up IN THE DRAFT.

That tells me they have their draft list finished and they know there is a drop off around !8-19.

I like everyone in that top 18.

They still have 34, and slot 50 draws up them up the board.

After awhile they won't have enough space for all the prospects in their 50 player limit.
That means 4 nice quality chances on their draft list.

I don't expect any other draft moves unless they get offered a player for #18.
- wiz1901

Can't complain of a 3 year stretch when you have have 7 -10% of the top 70 picks in a 32 team league. That's a lotta leeway for the usual misses

Where can I fiund that?
- wiz1901

https://twitter.com/MySpo...wB2lTca6wYL6ZP55v-Zw&s=19

Hopefully it opens up for you

I’m with you, I think KD is setting something up. If he’d moved from 20 to 5 or 6 it would be obvious he was positioning himself for a much better pick. Giving up a second to move up marginally in the first and second rounds is curious to say the least. At the moment, to me anyway, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Darth suggested he may be getting the best picks he can to make a trade.
- paulr

After that game with Sweden today, I'm hoping its for Necas..............

I would think the two teams are finished conducting business.

I am betting Kyle asked everybody above #18 for a possible drop down (up?) from #20, and Lou was the only one ready to talk exchange.

Teams usually are not 'just exchanging draft picks."

The other teams early picks are not on the market, unless they get to the draft and they can add a solid NHL player with them, and that talk doesn't ramp up untill they are all in Las Vegas the week prior.
- wiz1901

Just a thought

It's kind of cool the Bears released some of the draft day coverage. They had obviously done their homework. At one point you can see they knew the giants were going to pick a receiver and the guy he talked to said it's going to be Nabers, when Tennessee drafted the tackle he asked his partner what's our percentage and he said 77% they get the guy they want? It's crazy if it's true but the Bears believe they drafted the top 2 players in the draft. Isn't it crazy we got the number one and number 2 player bruh.
- BetweenTheDots

Odunze is going to be very good, you can just tell, if you watch his games this past year, he was always the best player on the field, just something about him, and from all reports, a top notch guy who gets it.

This three years of drafts (and next years) will secure Poles position for 10 years min. Lets hope in a couple years were saying the same about KD

No matter who the Hawks draft at 18 the BOD will say he would have been there at 20.
- Ztra

This guy gets it.

Now that I've had time to think about it, one i think 18 or 19 must be the drop off point for the Blackhawks and two i don't think KD sees value in the 2nd round of this draft otherwise i don't see him giving away a 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots.
- BetweenTheDots

and 4 spots in the 2nd, maybe their next tier drops off after 50 players?

Lets hope in a couple years were saying the same about KD
- vabeachbear

Well, I like that he is talking to the other GMs without feeling 'new kid" issues.

His second with LOu after Lou was instrumental is trading for Romanov so the Hawks could trade Dach for that Islander #13 first rounder (L'il Frankie Nazar).