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fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

May 24 @ 5:42 PM ET
I don't think KD is getting a new boss. KD could be looking at him as an "experienced" advisor.
- rpeters01


Yeah thats why I put consultant as well. He's 65 so how hard does he wanna work at this stage but still be involved in hockey and maybe close to where he's from in Detroit.
busmaster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 08.06.2010

May 24 @ 5:53 PM ET
Hawks trade away a second last year and this year... Makes no sense...
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 24 @ 6:01 PM ET
President of Hockey Ops maybe so Danny doesn't have to be as hands on. Maybe as a consultant so he can stay in hockey but not have all the stress. Kinda like the elder Bowman did.
- fattybeef


Maybe Waddell has more experience dealing with Russians.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 24 @ 6:10 PM ET
Curious trade. Quality over quantity. You’d think this type of trade would be made if KD saw a player he wanted at 18. Unless this is a prelude to something more?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 24 @ 6:16 PM ET
Hawks trade away a second last year and this year... Makes no sense...
- busmaster


KD should have got #18 and #50 for #61

The Hawks got a 6th round pick in 2023 and drafted 6’6” forward Milton Oscarson.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 24 @ 6:21 PM ET
Hawks trade away a second last year and this year... Makes no sense...
- busmaster


Did you notice that by giving NYI an extra pick, we also were able to get them to exchange the #18 overall for #20 overall

Two reasons why this trade makes sense:

1) The pow wow end of season conference with all the scouts and GM/staff is held and they have a not final draft of the top 20 prospects. After tier 1 prospects which ends in early teens there is a talent drop off. Perhaps someone though drops and is available at #18 but might be gone by #20


2). A couple teams need to replenish prospects as they have a barren cupboard. They may take two picks for one in round one, with KD objective to get the higher draft choice. Two picks in oh say top ten?

Presently the NYI don’t have a strong farm system nor does the Pittsburgh Penguins.

It is difficult to see S Jones traded at least until after next season but he could be a part of a trade involving draft choices because KD might consider loosing S Jones experience and his good points as worthwhile if he can draft a very good second prospect among tier I prospects. There really isn’t much anyone else you could trade so why not S Jones. Personally I believe we need to keep s Jones for one or two more seasons but I could understand his departure sooner if able to draft another top prospect due to including Jones in a trade

You have to wonder, too, if they draft Demidov and he cannot come over for a year and he might wind up having an injury issue due to his skating, we still wound up with a second tier I selection. Moreover, perhaps KD wants to draft a dman whose ceiling is first pair or dynamic like Yaremchuk or Pareyka (sic).

Trading a # 18 is better than a # 20 and the GM’s know this given the strength of this draft

So there are several things you can come up with but we just have to wait until draft day to see what is KD’s strategy

For sure loosing one second round choice when we have accumulated extra draft choices past present and future, is no big deal
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 24 @ 6:21 PM ET
Curious trade. Quality over quantity. You’d think this type of trade would be made if KD saw a player he wanted at 18. Unless this is a prelude to something more?
- paulr



Agreed.

#18, 2026 2nd (NYI), Phillips, and Raddysh for Necas and the rights to Chatfield (who is promptly signed to an extension).
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 24 @ 6:35 PM ET
Have some faith in KD, he’s done well at the draft since he took over.

2023 - Bedard, Moore, Gajan and Kantserov in the first 2 rounds (plus Lardis in th eardrum)

2022 - Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, Ludwinski, and Greene.

Bedard, Korchinski and Nazar have already played in the NHL. The others are still very good prospects. Paying a late 2nd to move up in the 1st and 2nd rounds this year is a price the Hawks can afford.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 24 @ 6:38 PM ET
Have some faith in KD, he’s done well at the draft since he took over.

2023 - Bedard, Moore, Gajan and Kantserov in the first 2 rounds (plus Lardis in th eardrum)

2022 - Korchinski, Nazar, Rinzel, Ludwinski, and Greene.

Bedard, Korchinski and Nazar have already played in the NHL. The others are still very good prospects. Paying a late 2nd to move up in the 1st and 2nd rounds this year is a price the Hawks can afford.

- DarthKane

Sounds like a disease.

I thought Korchinski was a bust?
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 24 @ 6:43 PM ET
KD should have got #18 and #50 for #61

The Hawks got a 6th round pick in 2023 and drafted 6’6” forward Milton Oscarson.

- DarthKane


I just looked up his stats. Draft day and now may be the only time we hear/read this guys name.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 24 @ 6:45 PM ET
Hawks trade away a second last year and this year... Makes no sense...
- busmaster


They basically moved a very late 2nd (#61) to move up two spots in the first and four spots in the second. They have 4,327 draft picks (on top of the 22 they've made over the last two years). They're fine.

This draft class has been noted to be less impressive than the previous and now people are getting punchy about them paying to move up a bit in the first two rounds?
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 24 @ 6:50 PM ET
https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I ran this thru the draft pick value calculator.

Technically KD got hood-winked (barely). He should have got Lou to throw in a 5th rounder to make it even.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 24 @ 6:57 PM ET
Sounds like a disease.

I thought Korchinski was a bust?

- paulr


Thought? Thought it was a fact.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 24 @ 6:58 PM ET
They basically moved a very late 2nd (#61) to move up two spots in the first and four spots in the second. They have 4,327 draft picks (on top of the 22 they've made over the last two years). They're fine.

This draft class has been noted to be less impressive than the previous and now people are getting punchy about them paying to move up a bit in the first two rounds?

- Chunk


Never underestimate the punchiness of the BOD.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 24 @ 7:04 PM ET
https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I ran this thru the draft pick value calculator.

Technically KD got hood-winked (barely). He should have got Lou to throw in a 5th rounder to make it even.

- Rota's Rooter

There’s a word you seldom hear these days. Yeah, old KD sure got himself hood-winked and you can be sure it won’t be the last time.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

May 24 @ 7:46 PM ET
Hawks trade away a second last year and this year... Makes no sense...
- busmaster


It was the same pick, they traded one of last years second for a second this year. You can't count it twice
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

May 24 @ 7:50 PM ET
They basically moved a very late 2nd (#61) to move up two spots in the first and four spots in the second. They have 4,327 draft picks (on top of the 22 they've made over the last two years). They're fine.

This draft class has been noted to be less impressive than the previous and now people are getting punchy about them paying to move up a bit in the first two rounds?

- Chunk


Some are just going to blast KD no matter what he does. If he stayed pat, and just used all the picks, they'd be female doging he didn't use some of his extra picks to move up for a better player.

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 8:32 PM ET
Anyone watching the Memorial Cup, Moose Jaw @ Saginaw? Helluva 1st period to kick things off. Saginaw dominated the 1st, left catching Unger stood tall kicking out everything until Parekh circles at the top, wrister gets thru, tipped, 1-nuttin...

Parekh has his skating legs so I'm guessing he's better health wise than last series after a couple weeks off. High intensity hockey so we should see the kid vs solid opposition to see where he's at.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 8:40 PM ET
They basically moved a very late 2nd (#61) to move up two spots in the first and four spots in the second. They have 4,327 draft picks (on top of the 22 they've made over the last two years). They're fine.

This draft class has been noted to be less impressive than the previous and now people are getting punchy about them paying to move up a bit in the first two rounds?

- Chunk


When I heard the trade details I thought compensation for KD was a tad high but like StanBowPops&McD probably over drafting Allen, same with KD and Crew probably overdrafting Rinzel I'm perfectly fine with it...... You see something you want make it happen.

Tells me there is a plan and the youngest GM in the sport is gonna do his best to make it happen. Same as getting Rinzel, moving Dcat for the 7th, Dach for the 14th and trying to move up for Moore.

Also tells me fellow GM's find KD reasonable which is very helpful.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 8:47 PM ET
Curious trade. Quality over quantity. You’d think this type of trade would be made if KD saw a player he wanted at 18. Unless this is a prelude to something more?
- paulr


If KD does wanna move up further in the 1st rd having the 18th instead of the 20th is helpful. If nothing else he's closer to a target(s) and he added flexibility with the 18th should he need it.

Any reporting on which GM initiated the conversation?
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

May 24 @ 8:52 PM ET
Just a little hitting going on in the Rags/Panthers game.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 8:57 PM ET
Parekh gets a feed between the circles at the top, meets it with a no foolin with the puck 1/2 slapper, catches Unger a tad flat footed, 2-zip 7:30 into the 2nd.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 8:58 PM ET
Just a little hitting going on in the Rags/Panthers game.
- Angotti


I see NYR dressed Rempe. Is Chytil dressed?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 24 @ 9:00 PM ET
4-zero, Saginaw. The 1st goal Parekh wasn't in ion.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 24 @ 9:02 PM ET
I see NYR dressed Rempe. Is Chytil dressed?
- Mr Ricochet


Yes Chytl is in.
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