I think there is a better than 50% chance Mitch thrives under Berube. He is such a little female dog he will be scared poopless and might start working hard again.
- jribout

MM in a contract year could be deadly. Figure it out later

Not really. Hyman was always excellent. He made every line he was on better. He didn't play with McDavid, obviously, but he was pacing as a 30 goal player when he left. The problem was that in his 2 final seasons in Toronto he had missed a couple of months in each year due to injury and there was concern that his style wouldn't hold up.

I think those concerns were grossly exaggerated as evidenced by Hyman missing no more than 6 games in any of his 3 years in Edmonton.
- Monkeypunk

Oh man I disagree. He was nowhere near this good for Leafs especially in playoffs. His game came along I suppose - but the McJesus and Oiler PP has had a bucket load to do with that too.

For the Buds (Playoffs):
32GP
5G
8A

For Oilers: (not including tonight)
40GP
25G
15A
40Pts in 40GP

I wouldn’t have given him the contract Oilers did either.

He is an effective player but he doesn’t drive a line and the expectation is that an nhl player in the top 6 would at least compliment a line which is what he did - not sure he was the reason the line was better

Ding!

Oh man I disagree. He was nowhere near this good for Leafs especially in playoffs. His game came along I suppose - but the McJesus and Oiler PP has had a bucket load to do with that too.

For the Buds (Playoffs):
32GP
5G
8A

For Oilers: (not including tonight)
40GP
25G
15A
40Pts in 40GP

I wouldn’t have given him the contract Oilers did either.

He is an effective player but he doesn’t drive a line and the expectation is that an nhl player in the top 6 would at least compliment a line which is what he did - not sure he was the reason the line was better
- Big23Questions

I guess if you ask any Leaf fan who watched just about every game with Hyman, we knew he a stick that stirred the drink. Most of us were gun shy about the term, not even the $5,5m. In retrospect both of those opinions were incorrect.

I guess if you ask any Leaf fan who watched just about every game with Hyman, we knew he a stick that stirred the drink. Most of us were gun shy about the term, not even the $5,5m. In retrospect both of those opinions were incorrect.
- Monkeypunk

According to the Leafs’ fan charter, we could only re-sign one guy whose dad we didn’t like.

We went with Marner.

I guess if you ask any Leaf fan who watched just about every game with Hyman, we knew he a stick that stirred the drink. Most of us were gun shy about the term, not even the $5,5m. In retrospect both of those opinions were incorrect.
- Monkeypunk

Not sure any NHL GM (no matter how bad they are at the NHL level) would be so oblivious to the key player that stirs the drink that they would just let them go like that.

I’m also not a fan of the: ‘on pace for’ when it comes to injuries. Part of being an impact player is being able to stay healthy. It’s part of pro hockey. Some players just can’t and their game ti game (or season to season) impact falters as a result. Staying healthy is part of being that guy.

Hard worker, great net front, and on forecheck. But not sure he is capable of driving a line man. But to each their own eh

Not sure any NHL GM (no matter how bad they are at the NHL level) would be so oblivious to the key player that stirs the drink that they would just let them go like that.

I’m also not a fan of the: ‘on pace for’ when it comes to injuries. Part of being an impact player is being able to stay healthy. It’s part of pro hockey. Some players just can’t and their game ti game (or season to season) impact falters as a result. Staying healthy is part of being that guy.

Hard worker, great net front, and on forecheck. But not sure he is capable of driving a line man. But to each their own eh
- Big23Questions

So we're clear - at no point did I say he was capable of driving a line. I said, "He made every line he was on better," which is a very different thing. For $5.5m you don't expect the player to drive a line by themselves. But Hyman hit, won board battles, played net front, operated with speed, forechecked aggressively and was an excellent penalty killer. He was a staple with Marner and Matthews because he won board battles for the puck, earned them ice, and could work at their pace - or drive it.

At times the 2nd or 3rd lines were struggling, and Hyman would join those lines as a way to generate a better work ethic, or more turnovers.

I'm not saying anything that all of us in here don't already know, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing about it.

Not sure any NHL GM (no matter how bad they are at the NHL level) would be so oblivious to the key player that stirs the drink that they would just let them go like that.

I’m also not a fan of the: ‘on pace for’ when it comes to injuries. Part of being an impact player is being able to stay healthy. It’s part of pro hockey. Some players just can’t and their game ti game (or season to season) impact falters as a result. Staying healthy is part of being that guy.

Hard worker, great net front, and on forecheck. But not sure he is capable of driving a line man. But to each their own eh
- Big23Questions

Hyman is not there to drive a line and frankly he's not getting paid like it either.

5.5m cap hit is modest for what he brings to the table.

40 points in regular season. Man Tavares really outplayed him. Almost Bertuzzi production for an extra 3MM. Shrewd
- drexel

You're a scientist dude. YOu ArE SmArt.

All you do is chirp. Add nothing. Fuk off.

McDavid only 2 playoff goals. Can't even score on an open net in OT.

Trade him.

McDavid only 2 playoff goals. Can't even score on an open net in OT.

Trade him.
- Rare_Jewel

Yeah his 21 points is paltry, right?

I guess if you ask any Leaf fan who watched just about every game with Hyman, we knew he a stick that stirred the drink. Most of us were gun shy about the term, not even the $5,5m. In retrospect both of those opinions were incorrect.
- Monkeypunk

So many bad takes on this site.

Keep Marner for $15M a season. He' s the best.

Don't spend money on D, we'll be scoring too much.

Don't spend money on G, we'll be scoring too much.

Nylander is overpaid...at $7.2M. Hyman is overpaid. PLD sucks. Zadorov sucks. Schenn is too expensive. Bertuzzi sucks. Wait Bertuzzi is better again. Manson sucks. Kerfoot instead of McCann. Sparks instead of MciEnney was the right choice...even though he was one save away from fuking Toskala. Marchment, meh. Verhaghe, meh.

I'm watching a lot of bad takes win the Cup. Still not the Leafs...unless they're on other teams.

Blue Kool Aid chug chug chug.

Yeah his 21 points is paltry, right?
- Nasty_Duck

Assists don't matter said some Marner hater once.

So we're clear - at no point did I say he was capable of driving a line. I said, "He made every line he was on better," which is a very different thing. For $5.5m you don't expect the player to drive a line by themselves. But Hyman hit, won board battles, played net front, operated with speed, forechecked aggressively and was an excellent penalty killer. He was a staple with Marner and Matthews because he won board battles for the puck, earned them ice, and could work at their pace - or drive it.

At times the 2nd or 3rd lines were struggling, and Hyman would join those lines as a way to generate a better work ethic, or more turnovers.

I'm not saying anything that all of us in here don't already know, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing about it.
- Monkeypunk

The dumbest things the Leafs did fell in order, one after another.

First, was trading Kadri. The next was signing Tavares. The nail in the coffin was letting Hyman walk.

To think, the Leafs could have simply kept Kadri and extended Hyman for the cap hit Tavares took up and still have 2 million to spare in between. And how far ahead did it get us? We lost two proven playoff warriors (one of them a Cup winner) for pajama boy who won 1 series in 6 years while being the 2nd highest paid player in the league the day he signed with the Leafs.

Assists don't matter said some Marner hater once.
- Rare_Jewel

Goals are more important than assists one for one and Marner might have a decent number of assists. But he does not drive the play enough in the playoffs to justify his Cap hit.

Trying to compare him to McDavid is silly.

Goals are more important than assists one for one and Marner might have a decent number of assists. But he does not drive the play enough in the playoffs to generate his Cap hit.

Trying to compare him to McDavid is silly.
- Nasty_Duck

And yet has more career playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.

So many bad takes on this site.

Keep Marner for $15M a season. He' s the best.

Don't spend money on D, we'll be scoring too much.

Don't spend money on G, we'll be scoring too much.

Nylander is overpaid...at $7.2M. Hyman is overpaid. PLD sucks. Zadorov sucks. Schenn is too expensive. Bertuzzi sucks. Wait Bertuzzi is better again. Manson sucks. Kerfoot instead of McCann. Sparks instead of MciEnney was the right choice...even though he was one save away from fuking Toskala. Marchment, meh. Verhaghe, meh.

I'm watching a lot of bad takes win the Cup. Still not the Leafs...unless they're on other teams.

Blue Kool Aid chug chug chug.
- underhill14

I think if you boil that stuff down, and I know the frustrated sarcasm intended, but I have to throw in my .02 here:

I just hate PLD. I don't care that he's big. His effort is inconsistent and his results don't equate to his salary. I can't stand him and he's my NHL poster child for being overrated.

Schenn never sucked, but at $2.7m x 3 years for ages 34, 35 and 36 - I mean for us he played 13 minutes/game; in Nashville he played 15. Honestly $2.7m is a lot for a guy playing on your bottom pairing - and being scarcely used at that. Similarly, Zadorov would have been awesome - but his supposedly requested $6m contract would be far too high for his limited minutes. If you're managing a tight-to-the-cap team, you've got maybe $1.5m for a guy like Schenn.

I still don't like Bertuzzi but he did ok. To me he wasn't a $5.5m player.

I didn't agree with Holl over McCann, but I could see why they did it (cap concerns).

I didn't like the results of Sparks over McElhinney over Sparks but again I did understand why they made the decision - Sparks was 24, newly waiver eligible and had just been the goaltender of the year in the AHL, while McElhinney was 35. Honestly if I were in Dubas' position I would have made the same decision. I believe I said at the time that I never liked what Sparks looked like in net. He always looked . . . unstable, unsure, shaky - not poised.

And yet has more career playoff points than Matthews and Nylander.
- Rare_Jewel

Not sure what you are trying to prove?

All three have underperformed in playoffs based on their Cap hits (well Nylander not so much since he's still playing out his 2nd contract not the new one).

You Really haven't made much of a case.

McDavid only 2 playoff goals. Can't even score on an open net in OT.

Trade him.
- Rare_Jewel

Ha! He has 3!

Ha! He has 3!
- Monkeypunk

Only 3? Sucks.

Ha! He has 3!
- Monkeypunk

Not sure what you are trying to prove?

All three have underperformed in playoffs based on their Cap hits (well Nylander not so much since he's still playing out his 2nd contract not the new one).

You Really haven't made much of a case.
- Nasty_Duck

Then maybe you should pay more attention.

There were seasons where Nylander was absolutely abysmal in the playoffs, like when he held out for that 2nd contract and scored 7 goals during the season. Matthews has had multiple years where he only scored 1 playoff goal. Marner has become public enemy #1 for not putting up points when his two biggest targets missed half the series a year after he had 14 playoff points in 11 games.

All 3 of them have underachieved. But all 3 are still in their prime and need better support in other areas of the line-up. That should not come at the cost of losing any one of our best 3 players. It should come at the cost of getting rid of Tavares.

Don Waddell is leaving the Hurricanes.

Demote Treliving immediately.

Then maybe you should pay more attention.

There were seasons where Nylander was absolutely abysmal in the playoffs, like when he held out for that 2nd contract and scored 7 goals during the season. Matthews has had multiple years where he only scored 1 playoff goal. Marner has become public enemy #1 for not putting up points when his two biggest targets missed half the series a year after he had 14 playoff points in 11 games.

All 3 of them have underachieved. But all 3 are still in their prime and need better support in other areas of the line-up. That should not come at the cost of losing any one of our best 3 players. It should come at the cost of getting rid of Tavares.
- Rare_Jewel

Well Leafs are stuck with JT at his current cap hit for 1 more year. Nothing can/will be done about that.

Leafs don't have to lose Marner, but if he asks for > 11.5m then he should be going elsewhere. He has not accomplished enough to demand more than 11.5.

So we're clear - at no point did I say he was capable of driving a line. I said, "He made every line he was on better," which is a very different thing. For $5.5m you don't expect the player to drive a line by themselves. But Hyman hit, won board battles, played net front, operated with speed, forechecked aggressively and was an excellent penalty killer. He was a staple with Marner and Matthews because he won board battles for the puck, earned them ice, and could work at their pace - or drive it.

At times the 2nd or 3rd lines were struggling, and Hyman would join those lines as a way to generate a better work ethic, or more turnovers.

I'm not saying anything that all of us in here don't already know, so I'm not sure why you keep arguing about it.
- Monkeypunk

Oh no man I know you never said he drives the line - I just don’t understand what ‘makes every line he was on better’. I don’t really know what that means is what I was saying. He’s an NHL player that plays Top 6. There are players that drove line (in top 6) and then there are complimentary players who sometimes find chemistry and sometime don’t. A lot of guys do everything Hyman does. My point is he found great chemistry with McDavid and Drais in Edmonton especially on the PP and he is looking really good. My point was he wasn’t that player in Toronto for whatever the reason.

He is and has always been a hard working, good in forecheck, on PP net front, and net front in general - he was also not very productive through 82 cause of injuries etc., to get what he got term and dollar wise…at that time. Now absolutely he deserves his contract. It was the right fit in Edmonton…I would never cause him of operating with speed (I assume you mean play with pace). He does by virtue of dump and chase that’s not skill at pace. He’s a retriever then go to net guy. He also never earned 34/16 ice. Conor brown his first year in Toronto did it, Johnsson did it, Bert and domi did it well with 34 at the end of this year - and Hyman is better than all them at it in Edmonton.

Edit: someone else made a Hyman post - I thought it was interesting and responded. Then you responded to my response (to someone else’s post) and so on. I thought it was normal back and forth on hockey (as is the point here?)…I even said: to each their own, in a show of respect thy you are certainly entitled to your opinion man.