If I was trading TK I would want a 1st round pick and a prospect. The problem with TK is he is due a big extension, so that will limit the teams that will want him.
- jd250

you saw what the jake guentzel return was I assume. you happy with that?

1st rd pick in what area?

you saw what the jake guentzel return was I assume. you happy with that?

1st rd pick in what area?
- hello it's me 2050

Well, teams with a top 10 1st round pick may not be in the market for a player like TK, so that might be tough to get a pick this high. But I can see trading to a team that has a pick in the teens or low 20s. If the Flyers want a top 10 pick, perhaps they would have to get a 3rd team involved. But yes, the Guentzel trade is a good comparison.

Well, teams with a top 10 1st round pick may not be in the market for a player like TK, so that might be tough to get a pick this high. But I can see trading to a team that has a pick in the teens or low 20s. If the Flyers want a top 10 pick, perhaps they would have to get a 3rd team involved. But yes, the Guentzel trade is a good comparison.
- jd250

The conditional 1st round pick in the Guentzel trade is now a 2nd, no?

Well, teams with a top 10 1st round pick may not be in the market for a player like TK, so that might be tough to get a pick this high. But I can see trading to a team that has a pick in the teens or low 20s. If the Flyers want a top 10 pick, perhaps they would have to get a 3rd team involved. But yes, the Guentzel trade is a good comparison.
- jd250

pens didnt get a 1st for jake. that package seemed underwhleming.

they have zero shot to get a top 10 pick for tk. zero nada zippo
20-32 range..

I am not saying TK by himself will get the Flyers a 1D or 1C. What he can bring the Flyers are young prospects and high draft picks that will give the Flyers a chance to draft and develop a 1D or 1C. If a team has a 1C or 1D, they would never trade that player.
- jd250

I know TK was almost traded to or at least discussed with Ottawa a couple years back for the 1rst rnd pick they ended up using on Debrincat. I don’t believe his value has diminished since then.
The only possible way TK turns into a 1D or a 1C is going to have to be for a draft pick or a kid who has struggled and needs a change of scenery and he some how pops in Philly.

You just said, the Flyers lack quality skill and talent. Farabee has neither! Just face it, you are wrong about Farabee, he is just an OK player with OK skill. The Flyers can do better.
- jd250

saying Farabee has no talent is just moronic.

Well, teams with a top 10 1st round pick may not be in the market for a player like TK, so that might be tough to get a pick this high. But I can see trading to a team that has a pick in the teens or low 20s. If the Flyers want a top 10 pick, perhaps they would have to get a 3rd team involved. But yes, the Guentzel trade is a good comparison.
- jd250

Guentzel is 3 years older and a UFA. Essentially he was a rental. TK has a year left on an extremely manageable contract.
Top 10’s a rarely moved and for good reason.

Guentzel is 3 years older and a UFA. Essentially he was a rental. TK has a year left on an extremely manageable contract.
Top 10’s a rarely moved and for good reason.
- landros 2

jake is a much better player. TK will essentially be a rental as well unless he signs with the team who trades for him.

all moot anyway as he is a core player. plays flyers hockey. bleeds the new era of orange. he will be here for a long time.

pens didnt get a 1st for jake. that package seemed underwhleming.

they have zero shot to get a top 10 pick for tk. zero nada zippo
20-32 range..
- hello it's me 2050

If they move Farabee then I am trying to get another top 12 pick. I thin k MON would be interested and Buffalo. Both have been reported to want a young wingers that can play in top 9.

Could Farabee and the Florida first get you one of those picks? Take back Anderson from MON to make money work?

If you got 5 and 12 then you probably get two building block players.

pens didnt get a 1st for jake. that package seemed underwhleming.

they have zero shot to get a top 10 pick for tk. zero nada zippo
20-32 range..
- hello it's me 2050

they got a conditional 2024 1st round pick

they got a conditional 2024 1st round pick
- jd250

so as I said they did not get a 1st

If they move Farabee then I am trying to get another top 12 pick. I thin k MON would be interested and Buffalo. Both have been reported to want a young wingers that can play in top 9.

Could Farabee and the Florida first get you one of those picks? Take back Anderson from MON to make money work?

If you got 5 and 12 then you probably get two building block players.
- J35Bacher

dont see joel having this kind of value. yes you will have to add.

dont think joel and florida 1st gets you #5

I know TK was almost traded to or at least discussed with Ottawa a couple years back for the 1rst rnd pick they ended up using on Debrincat. I don’t believe his value has diminished since then.
The only possible way TK turns into a 1D or a 1C is going to have to be for a draft pick or a kid who has struggled and needs a change of scenery and he some how pops in Philly.
- landros 2

Or they get some picks and younger players that they hit on, for example a player like Tippet.

saying Farabee has no talent is just moronic.
- Briere

I didn't say that. Of course Farabee has talent, he is an NHL player. I just said he has OK skill. Nothing exceptional. Not sure you can really argue with this, can you?

dont see joel having this kind of value. yes you will have to add.

dont think joel and florida 1st gets you #5
- hello it's me 2050

But maybe Utah gives up their 6th pick.

jake is a much better player. TK will essentially be a rental as well unless he signs with the team who trades for him.

all moot anyway as he is a core player. plays flyers hockey. bleeds the new era of orange. he will be here for a long time.
- hello it's me 2050

Wait .. I'm sorry, Jake is not a much better player than TK. Come on, we need to start giving TK some credit here. He is a legitimate 30+ goal scorer that plays 5v5, PK and PP and lead the league in short handed goals. He is a complete player, a leader and an agitator. A lot of teams would love to have TK.

But maybe Utah gives up their 6th pick.
- jd250

value of the 6th > value of joel

teams aint moving a top 10 pick unless an overpay. this is not hard concept. you rip on joel but think he has high value. very odd to me.

Guentzel is 3 years older and a UFA. Essentially he was a rental. TK has a year left on an extremely manageable contract.
Top 10’s a rarely moved and for good reason.
- landros 2

It's a good comparison because both players will be looking for expensive extensions. I agree top 10 picks are rarely moved, that is why one option might be to get a 3rd team involved, that might have assets a team would prefer over a draft pick.

Wait .. I'm sorry, Jake is not a much better player than TK. Come on, we need to start giving TK some credit here. He is a legitimate 30+ goal scorer that plays 5v5, PK and PP and lead the league in short handed goals. He is a complete player, a leader and an agitator. A lot of teams would love to have TK.
- jd250

you dont have wait or be sorry. jake is better. why does that rub you the wrong way?

yet you dont want to pay tk...you crack me up

value of the 6th > value of joel

teams aint moving a top 10 pick unless an overpay. this is not hard concept. you rip on joel but think he has high value. very odd to me.
- hello it's me 2050

No one said Joel for the 6th pick. It would be Joel, 1st round pick plus maybe a young player to move up. Of course the Flyers would have to over pay to move up, but I still think they should do it if a player is there that they believe can be a 1D or 1C. I feel the best thing for the Flyers right now is to be aggressive in this draft and the next to give themselves the best chance to land that 1D and 1C. As I mentioned, teams that have them are not going trade these types of players.

you dont have wait or be sorry. jake is better. why does that rub you the wrong way?

yet you dont want to pay tk...you crack me up
- hello it's me 2050

It doesn't rub me the wrong way, I just don't agree with you. I think TK is a legitimate all-star player and though is not the scorer Jake is, does other things better than Jake that IMO make them comparable players. I love TK, but I don't think it makes sense to give TK 8 years at $9M AAV given where this team is. I already mentioned several times, I would prefer to extend TK, but he is going to have to give the Flyers a home team discount, either less years or 8 years a less AAV than he would get in the open market.

they got a conditional 2024 1st round pick
- jd250

And the conditions weren't met.

https://x.com/frank_serav...o0UdglvAh19OGgUMDhvQ&s=19

A very interesting article forecasting contracts for UFAs this summer. Walker @ 3 yrs x 4.65 million. That is not a bad deal for a club. Not suggesting the Flyers should sign him. As a comparison, Ghost @ 3 yrs x 5 million. Canes UFA blueline about to get paid, not a surprise.

I know hypotheticals and speculation makes for a fun summer but I think we know come July 1st what's going to happen with Konecny.

He didn't have a bad tournament, although he wasn't scoring. Was playing 16-plus minutes a game and played well overall.
- bmeltzer

his scoring is the biggest concern of his game