1st off what's with the immense amount of stupidity and derp in here the last few days FFS?
Nice to see people's Alt's not being banned and then that alt just trying to drive the same stupid (and wrong) point home over and over and over again using inaccurate or totally fabricated BS to try and prove their point. That mixed in with the regular garbage from the posters who need instructions on their shampoo bottles & a Canada vs US 'where to live' debate that of course ended up getting political.
Anyhow back to hockey and my reason for replying to Mr.Sir's post about Mike Yeo.
This version of Mike Yeo might be a good assistant coaching fit with Berube & would probably terrify some of the Leaf superstars lol.
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May 29 @ 10:56 AM ET
The Core 4 can't seem to get their act together in the playoffs. It's deeply (frank)ed. - mjones242
Something has to change. The problem is that I'm not sure the something that has to change is what they're going to change. I will contend that Marner was not fully recovered and I think he played like it.
At 5v5 prior to his injury, Marner had an ixG of 0.68. His primary linemate, Matthews, led the team with a 1.22 ixG. They predominantly played with Knies throughout the year and in 405 minutes to the date of Marner's injury, they outscored the opposition per 60 at a rate of 3.6 - 1.8.
In the month while Marner was gone, Domi took over the distribution role and his ixG dropped to 0.6 - but both Matthews and Bertuzzi had their ixG rates increase to 1.56 and 1.14, respectively. The per 60 rate for that line was basically outscoring the opposition 6.5 - 4.3 (in 83 minutes).
With Bertuzzi, Matthews and Marner were actually even in scoring with the opposition @ 1.7 - 1.7 in 72 minutes of icetime together.
After Marner returned from injury, his time with Matthews was a disaster. In 32 minutes they were outscored 4-1. To be fair Matthews without Marner was only up 7-6; Marner without Matthews was 3-1 - and the team as a whole without either of them was 8-8 in those 7 games after Marner returned.
Marner's play overall had dropped, though - his ixG was down to 0.5, so he was going to the net even less and getting in fewer good areas.
Other players who live in that same typical ixG space as Marner, for context, are guys like Malkin, Zibanejad, McCann, J. Robertson, Boeser, Stone, Giroux, Schiefele, Kane, Draisaitl - and so on. Some of these guys get it done from low danger areas, like Draisaitl, and some of these guys make a living at moving the puck from areas of open ice - like Kane, Giroux or Zibanejad.
Contextually his .5 and .45 numbers are closer to the effectiveness of a Cogliano or Kampf or Kuznetsov - guys who aren't making it happen. That's not the Marner we know. I'm not a fan of being angry at a guy for not being able to play at 100%.
Something may have to change, but I'm simply not sold that Marner is the problem - or even a problem.
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May 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
Something has to change. The problem is that I'm not sure the something that has to change is what they're going to change. I will contend that Marner was not fully recovered and I think he played like it. - Monkeypunk
I once had a high-ankle sprain.
Granted I was playing crap men's league hockey and didn't have access to the physio that Marner had, but it still took me about a year to be fully healed.
On the plus side, I got to play on a trampoline at the Mount Sinai Sports Clinic!
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May 29 @ 11:05 AM ET
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Yet…🤔 - mr.sir
True it's a bit Raare to have an Alt(anooki) on here bu(g)t some feel the need to(ptimus-reim) have one since they get banned for being complete morons more often than not.
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May 29 @ 11:15 AM ET
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May 29 @ 11:17 AM ET
1st off what's with the immense amount of stupidity and derp in here the last few days FFS?
Nice to see people's Alt's not being banned and then that alt just trying to drive the same stupid (and wrong) point home over and over and over again using inaccurate or totally fabricated BS to try and prove their point. That mixed in with the regular garbage from the posters who need instructions on their shampoo bottles & a Canada vs US 'where to live' debate that of course ended up getting political.
Anyhow back to hockey and my reason for replying to Mr.Sir's post about Mike Yeo.
This version of Mike Yeo might be a good assistant coaching fit with Berube & would probably terrify some of the Leaf superstars lol.
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
May 29 @ 11:23 AM ET
Something has to change. The problem is that I'm not sure the something that has to change is what they're going to change. I will contend that Marner was not fully recovered and I think he played like it.
At 5v5 prior to his injury, Marner had an ixG of 0.68. His primary linemate, Matthews, led the team with a 1.22 ixG. They predominantly played with Knies throughout the year and in 405 minutes to the date of Marner's injury, they outscored the opposition per 60 at a rate of 3.6 - 1.8.
In the month while Marner was gone, Domi took over the distribution role and his ixG dropped to 0.6 - but both Matthews and Bertuzzi had their ixG rates increase to 1.56 and 1.14, respectively. The per 60 rate for that line was basically outscoring the opposition 6.5 - 4.3 (in 83 minutes).
With Bertuzzi, Matthews and Marner were actually even in scoring with the opposition @ 1.7 - 1.7 in 72 minutes of icetime together.
After Marner returned from injury, his time with Matthews was a disaster. In 32 minutes they were outscored 4-1. To be fair Matthews without Marner was only up 7-6; Marner without Matthews was 3-1 - and the team as a whole without either of them was 8-8 in those 7 games after Marner returned.
Marner's play overall had dropped, though - his ixG was down to 0.5, so he was going to the net even less and getting in fewer good areas.
Other players who live in that same typical ixG space as Marner, for context, are guys like Malkin, Zibanejad, McCann, J. Robertson, Boeser, Stone, Giroux, Schiefele, Kane, Draisaitl - and so on. Some of these guys get it done from low danger areas, like Draisaitl, and some of these guys make a living at moving the puck from areas of open ice - like Kane, Giroux or Zibanejad.
Contextually his .5 and .45 numbers are closer to the effectiveness of a Cogliano or Kampf or Kuznetsov - guys who aren't making it happen. That's not the Marner we know. I'm not a fan of being angry at a guy for not being able to play at 100%.
Something may have to change, but I'm simply not sold that Marner is the problem - or even a problem. - Monkeypunk
Marner and Nylander were both battling injuries or medical issues of sorts in the playoffs - I think most people can agree with that - even the morons who were cracking jokes about Nylander having a headache and being a wussy for not playing (who clearly have never had or don't know anyone who suffers from migraines).
I see the issue as the same one I feel we have seen year over year as far as the playoff version of both players - the same versions showed up again and playoff Willy is much more valuable than playoff Marner because he can adapt his style of play and battle through that change much better than Marner. For me and all this years playoff series did was reinforce that since both were apparently dealing with injuries/medical issues.
If the excuse for Marner this year is that he was still battling his ankle issue what is the excuse for past playoff play and why does anyone think he would have been a different playoff performer this year if he wasn't supposedly still dealing with the ankle issue?
And to be clear I do not mean how many points did he rack up in meaningless games or what his total points were in the playoffs while playing with AM on line one - I mean how much did he do in the games that mattered, late in a series and elimination games? So for those who are going to reply with the "he has more points than player X, Y and Z on the Leafs" you can save your breath - I don't GAS at all to be honest because as series go on he shrinks over and over and over and I see no indication that this behavior will change - if you do please enlighten me as to what it is that you see that I'm missing.
I like Marner and I like Willy but I only see one of those 2 who have been able to change their game to suit playoff hockey consistently. So to me Marner IS a problem and it's partially because of the cap distribution (of which he is a part of the problem but not the only part of it for sure) so if he stays (which I think is better than 50/50 not only for next year but beyond) I just hope that when JT's contract is not 11M and the cap goes up they can get more players on the roster who can do the things Marner can't in the playoffs. Perhaps then they won't seek to rely on him to do those things and can just rely more on what he can do. IF he was to feel less pressure and be more able to play his softer style east/west game perhaps he could become more of a factor late in playoff series and elimination games.
And re: the bolded part - do you look at that list of players and think about how they play in playoff games and think Marner plays like them? I sure don't - he plays a MUCH softer game come playoffs than all of them & that is the exact problem with MM IMO.
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