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Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 28 @ 6:32 PM ET
Some good UFA options from Canucks

Zadorov
Blueger 3C
Joshua
Lindholm
DeSmith
Myers

RFA
Hronek
Silovs

- mr.sir

(frank)in LOSERS!



😃
Strider
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 28 @ 6:36 PM ET
Right. It went from Marner wouldn't like conservative Utah to .... wherever it is we are now.
- GalacticStone


Such a hypocrite clown.
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 28 @ 6:37 PM ET
Didn't you say JT could be moved?

And yet... he has a NMC too.

- Nasty_Duck


Different situation.

That has nothing to do with refusing to waive though.

Try again.

- Nasty_Duck


Tavares does not benefit from refusing to waive if the Leafs make it clear they do not want him to return. He does benefit from accepting a trade to a different team (possibly a contender if they can get his cap hit low enough) because he gets another shot at winning a Cup as he has less time to win a Cup at 34. He also gets a head start on finding his next team to finish his career.

Marner, however, doesn't have to waive because he's a 27 year old who could hit free agency. Losing Marner for nothing really hurts the Leafs but doesn't hurt himself in the process. It just gives him more big offers from more teams in his prime.

Completely different situations you should take more time to consider.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 28 @ 6:39 PM ET
Different situation.



Tavares does not benefit from refusing to waive if the Leafs make it clear they do not want him to return. He does benefit from accepting a trade to a different team (possibly a contender if they can get his cap hit low enough) because he gets another shot at winning a Cup as he has less time to win a Cup at 34. He also gets a head start on finding his next team to finish his career.

Marner, however, doesn't have to waive because he's a 27 year old who could hit free agency. Losing Marner for nothing really hurts the Leafs but doesn't hurt himself in the process. It just gives him more big offers from more teams in his prime.

Completely different situations you should take more time to consider.

- Rare_Jewel

JT stays, now what do you do?
Ride it out for a year?
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

May 28 @ 6:41 PM ET
JT stays, now what do you do?
Ride it out for a year?

- Woderwick

Save your pennies for 97 👍
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 28 @ 6:41 PM ET
Some good UFA options from Canucks

Zadorov
Blueger 3C
Joshua
Lindholm
DeSmith
Myers

RFA
Hronek
Silovs

- mr.sir


I like Blueger, Joshua and Lindholm. I'd add them if Tavares gets traded and you could sign all 3 for under 11 AAV.

Zadorov, unfortunately, is going to get paid big time and he's a LHD. Same for Montour. He's a RHD but has Bryan McCabe vibes. Don't think he'd be worth the money he's going to get offered if he leaves Florida.

I'd rather target OEL as a LHD because his PP numbers are very strong over his career. And defensively, we need RHD like Pesce / DeMelo. I think you could sign Pesce, OEL and DeMelo for between 13-15 AAV and it would revamp the entire blueline very quickly.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 28 @ 6:43 PM ET
Save your pennies for 97 👍
- mr.sir

2097

Amirite!?
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 28 @ 6:43 PM ET
JT stays, now what do you do?
Ride it out for a year?

- Woderwick


I spend the entire 18 AAV we do have on bringing in tougher, more playoff sturdy players and improve the D. Bring in a cheap 1A to split time with Woll. Sign or acquire a bigger ticket goalie once Tavares' contract expires.

I move him to LW (like Stamkos) and hope you can squeeze enough offense out of him in his final run with Matthews and Marner. Put Domi at 2C with Nylander because they'd compliment each other pretty well. You can put Tavares at C occasionally for the FOs for situational reasons.

When Tavares' contract expires, you don't bring him back, not even at a discount. He's going to be 35, won't put up offensive numbers, can't skate all that great and defensively, not a strong bottom-six candidate.

And I'm serious, I wouldn't take him at even 5 AAV at 35+. I'd rather sign or acquire a player in his prime than trying to go back to that depleted well.
Strider
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 28 @ 6:44 PM ET
Infanticide is not a virtue. You all came from the womb. You’re a nasty hypocrite if you’re not pro-life.

If only the usual suspects would shut up for once and stick to hockey.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 28 @ 6:45 PM ET
Washington is a team that needs to get younger
Mitch can setup OV for 2 years

Some familiarity with Carbery, Sandin

Wilson, Jensen and 1st 🤨

- mr.sir

Sold!
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 28 @ 6:47 PM ET
Infanticide is not a virtue. You all came from the womb. You’re a nasty hypocrite if you’re not pro-life.

If only the usual suspects would shut up for once and stick to hockey.

- Strider

How in the ever loving fuk did we get here?

Marner is being traded not killed.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 28 @ 6:54 PM ET
Infanticide is not a virtue. You all came from the womb. You’re a nasty hypocrite if you’re not pro-life.

If only the usual suspects would shut up for once and stick to hockey.

- Strider

Lol
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

May 28 @ 6:57 PM ET
Different situation.



Tavares does not benefit from refusing to waive if the Leafs make it clear they do not want him to return. He does benefit from accepting a trade to a different team (possibly a contender if they can get his cap hit low enough) because he gets another shot at winning a Cup as he has less time to win a Cup at 34. He also gets a head start on finding his next team to finish his career.

Marner, however, doesn't have to waive because he's a 27 year old who could hit free agency. Losing Marner for nothing really hurts the Leafs but doesn't hurt himself in the process. It just gives him more big offers from more teams in his prime.

Completely different situations you should take more time to consider.

- Rare_Jewel


It's awesome the players will do what you want so it fits your narrative.

JT has no reason to waive and he likes TO, so he could sign a very team-friendly deal once his current deal is up. Or not.

IMO both players finish the season in TO.
No idea what happens after that.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 28 @ 7:00 PM ET
It's awesome the players will do what you want so it fits your narrative.

JT has no reason to waive and he likes TO, so he could sign a very team-friendly deal once his current deal is up. Or not.

IMO both players finish the season in TO.
No idea what happens after that.

- Nasty_Duck

I’m not sure there’s anyone on the team less likely to waive than JT
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 28 @ 7:03 PM ET
It's awesome the players will do what you want so it fits your narrative.

JT has no reason to waive and he likes TO, so he could sign a very team-friendly deal once his current deal is up. Or not.

IMO both players finish the season in TO.
No idea what happens after that.

- Nasty_Duck


He has reasons to waive if they tell him they don't want him anymore.

If Tavares doesn't waive, it's because he hasn't been asked. He won't volunteer to be traded but he won't be asked to waive either. And that's the problem. The same idiots who signed him won't admit their mistake and try to trade him because they'd be implicating themselves as the reason why they're in this mess in the first place.

The idea of signing him at 35+ is idiotic and if the team is trying to get him to do that, they're only going back to a style of building a team that won't win them meaningful games.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 28 @ 7:11 PM ET
My understanding is Utah is hot and dry in the summer and cold and snowy in the winter. Rich athletes' accountants have ways of flattening the tax differences. Finally, some players might want to play in a metropolitan hockey mecca rather than in front of a bunch of Mormons in butt(frank) nowhere.
- Zezel

In Utah he wouldn’t get put on the front page of a newspaper in silhouette with a Missing in action headline.

If I were mitch get me the (frank) out of that city
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 28 @ 7:11 PM ET
How in the ever loving fuk did we get here?

Marner is being traded not killed.

- underhill14


According to someone on here being traded from Toronto to salt lake City is a fate worse than death.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

May 28 @ 7:27 PM ET
He has reasons to waive if they tell him they don't want him anymore.

If Tavares doesn't waive, it's because he hasn't been asked. He won't volunteer to be traded but he won't be asked to waive either. And that's the problem. The same idiots who signed him won't admit their mistake and try to trade him because they'd be implicating themselves as the reason why they're in this mess in the first place.

The idea of signing him at 35+ is idiotic and if the team is trying to get him to do that, they're only going back to a style of building a team that won't win them meaningful games.

- Rare_Jewel


This is just fantasy and has no basis in reality.
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

May 28 @ 7:31 PM ET
If we could add Crouse to compliment what Knies also brings then I'd be this summer
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 28 @ 7:32 PM ET
According to someone on here being traded from Toronto to salt lake City is a fate worse than death.
- jfkst1

We got your point. SLC is very white so everything is cool
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

May 28 @ 7:33 PM ET
I see the virus is back again.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 28 @ 7:37 PM ET
If we could add Crouse to compliment what Knies also brings then I'd be this summer
- Leafsmart

Solid add for sure.

Bert and Domi
Nylander and Keller
Knies and Crouse

Would be some serious top 9 wingers.

(btw Keller had 20 less points than Marner at $4m less...soon to be $5.5m less...and both of his balls have dropped)


"Mitchy you have won an all expenses paid trip to SLC Utah, tell him all about it Jim"
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Location: All Ontario Scientist (Masters Level III)
Joined: 04.11.2018

May 28 @ 7:41 PM ET
Infanticide is not a virtue. You all came from the womb. You’re a nasty hypocrite if you’re not pro-life.

If only the usual suspects would shut up for once and stick to hockey.

- Strider



Striidderrr…in a whispered hushed tone
Rare_Jewel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.31.2021

May 28 @ 7:42 PM ET
This is just fantasy and has no basis in reality.
- Nasty_Duck


Your version of reality is funny.

Here's a little tax evasion for Tavares in Toronto.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...res-argument-in-tax-case/
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

May 28 @ 7:44 PM ET
Solid add for sure.

Bert and Domi
Nylander and Keller
Knies and Crouse

Would be some serious top 9 wingers.

(btw Keller had 20 less points than Marner at $4m less...soon to be $5.5m less...and both of his balls have dropped)


"Mitchy you have won an all expenses paid trip to SLC Utah, tell him all about it Jim"

- underhill14


Yes. Be seriously moving in the right direction for sure.
GLG!
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