I like JT, especially at a discount. Lower than 5M. 3 would be that unrealistic, hopeful, fantasyland number for me.
- Woderwick

I don't see the point. He's a nice guy but if he's not scoring, he's useless to the Leafs.

At 35+, we saw what kind of decline Marleau had. At that age, it literally has to be bargain basement low cap hit or it's just not worth the risk.

He can't play bottom-six role effectively, he's slow. He wins FOs but that's not worth 5 AAV if he isn't scoring.

Tavares will be 34 years old when he signs his next contract, not 35.
- Atomic Wedgie

Will it be a 1 year contract? Because if it's more than that, he'll be over 35 and beyond and that usually means a decline in offensive production. We can already see it now he's in steady decline.

I wasn't talking about the penalties of a 35+ contract. I'm talking about the natural decline of older players and that Tavares still wouldn't be worth the money or the roster spot beyond his current contract.

Tax evasion is trying to hide income or falsify business records. For example, the Trump Organization was found criminally guilty of tax evasion. Tavares is in a dispute with the CRA over the interpretation of his signing bonus. Josh Donaldson and Russell Martin went through the same thing from their time with the Jays. There is no accusation of criminal behaviour.

Hope that helps.
- Canada Cup

Didn't need the help to see an attempt at tax evasion the first time.

Definitely rather see NYR win. Can't stand Bennett.

Other side would be good to see McJesus playing for the Cup.
- Nasty_Duck

Nope, I hate Edmonton. Don’t know why. But I do lol

Nope, I hate Edmonton. Don’t know why. But I do lol
- Dozzer

Edm is the last time I would cheer for

Everything is based on the age he was on July 1st before the start of the season. So if he signs in October ...it wouldn't matter.
- The Law

Oh hell I won’t pretend to know if waiting is worth his time. My true guess however is that he’s going to be a 2 mill guy with term averaging what he is doing by then. $2 mill a year til he’s 40 kinda thing.

Edm is the last time I would cheer for
- drexel

I want to see NY vs Dallas

That will be a solid final

I want to see NY vs Dallas

That will be a solid final
- Dozzer

Let's go anyone!!!

Didn't need the help to see an attempt at tax evasion the first time.
- Rare_Jewel

Holy poop. Tax evasion is a criminal act. This is not that. Your boy Trump’s company was convicted of tax evasion.

This is about different interpretations of signing bonuses. If the CRA wins this case it’s going to screw up the ability of the Leafs and other Canadian teams to get players to sign here.

I want to see NY vs Dallas

That will be a solid final
- Dozzer

What''s really important is that this all be finished quickly so we/they can all get back to focusing on the Leafs (aka the centre of the hockey universe).

Holy poop. Tax evasion is a criminal act. This is not that. Your boy Trump’s company was convicted of tax evasion.

This is about different interpretations of signing bonuses. If the CRA wins this case it’s going to screw up the ability of the Leafs and other Canadian teams to get players to sign here.
- Canada Cup

Tax evasion. He's gotta pay his fair share for equality!

Holy poop. Tax evasion is a criminal act. This is not that. Your boy Trump’s company was convicted of tax evasion.

This is about different interpretations of signing bonuses. If the CRA wins this case it’s going to screw up the ability of the Leafs and other Canadian teams to get players to sign here.
- Canada Cup

Well it IS part of their salary... so yeah it should be taxed.

They make so much friggin money I won't be shedding tears if they are forced to pay their share.

Holy poop. Tax evasion is a criminal act. This is not that. Your boy Trump’s company was convicted of tax evasion.

This is about different interpretations of signing bonuses. If the CRA wins this case it’s going to screw up the ability of the Leafs and other Canadian teams to get players to sign here.
- Canada Cup

Not worth the effort. You're right - it's not evasion, it's avoidance. In fact the battle is over his 18' tax filings that were filed and approved 5 years ago. CRA is taking a run at the legal definitions of "inducement" by reassessing him years after having no concerns with his filings.

It's less of an issue for JT too. If he wins ..great for him. If he loses then he will file in the US (he was resident there for much of 18') and will receive foreign tax credits offsetting a significant amount of the Canadian tax. Even if that failed he'd apply pursuant to the tax treaty for resolution between IRS and CRA.

From 19' onwards he's paid normal canadian resident tax ...which is why CRA is only pushing buttons on his 18' filing.

I don't see the point. He's a nice guy but if he's not scoring, he's useless to the Leafs.

At 35+, we saw what kind of decline Marleau had. At that age, it literally has to be bargain basement low cap hit or it's just not worth the risk.

He can't play bottom-six role effectively, he's slow. He wins FOs but that's not worth 5 AAV if he isn't scoring.
- Rare_Jewel

Patrick Marleau scored 25 goals at age 36, 27 at age 37, and 27 at age 38.

Do you at least attempt to allow your ass to take breaths in between talking out of it? Are we doing look at the decline in Jaromir Jagr after 35 next?

Tax evasion. He's gotta pay his fair share for equality!
- Rare_Jewel

Try learning what words mean. Lots of people try to lower their tax bill. That is not tax evasion. Signing bonuses are set up to lower your taxes. Lots of players have and CRA is now saying that some or all them aren’t real signing bonuses and Tavares has money owing. McDavid and others may be next.

Lying in your tax filings, not reporting income, declaring fake expenses are all examples tax evasion and could potentially send you to jail. Trump’s company was convicted of tax evasion.

I get that you’re on a move Tavares rant but do try to think things out.

Let's go anyone!!!
- Zezel

lol cheers!! I’m into this

Not worth the effort. You're right - it's not evasion, it's avoidance. In fact the battle is over his 18' tax filings that were filed and approved 5 years ago. CRA is taking a run at the legal definitions of "inducement" by reassessing him years after having no concerns with his filings.

It's less of an issue for JT too. If he wins ..great for him. If he loses then he will file in the US (he was resident there for much of 18') and will receive foreign tax credits offsetting a significant amount of the Canadian tax. Even if that failed he'd apply pursuant to the tax treaty for resolution between IRS and CRA.

From 19' onwards he's paid normal canadian resident tax ...which is why CRA is only pushing buttons on his 18' filing.
- The Law

I know but that degree of stupidity pisses me off. Thanks for the additional insight.

Well it IS part of their salary... so yeah it should be taxed.

They make so much friggin money I won't be shedding tears if they are forces to pay their share.
- Nasty_Duck

It was taxed. CRA is arguing that these types of bonuses, in spite of always being treated as inducements (smaller tax rates), are in fact not inducements and should have an increased tax rate.

This is less of an issue for JT and more of an issue for pro sports and Canadian teams trying to attract US athletes.

What''s really important is that this all be finished quickly so we/they can all get back to focusing on the Leafs (aka the centre of the hockey universe).
- The Law

But big contract move/deals with over $7 mill as a a July 1st bonus means nothing!!

Well it IS part of their salary... so yeah it should be taxed.

They make so much friggin money I won't be shedding tears if they are forces to pay their share.
- Nasty_Duck

I completely agree with the sentiment but there are lots of ways that people who make so much friggin money get to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

It was taxed. CRA is arguing that these types of bonuses, in spite of always being treated as inducements (smaller tax rates), are in fact not inducements and should have an increased tax rate.

This is less of an issue for JT and more of an issue for pro sports and Canadian teams trying to attract US athletes.
- The Law

Oh ffs it’s easy

Cap controlled league is the same league with rich teams who avoid it.

Patrick Marleau scored 25 goals at age 36, 27 at age 37, and 27 at age 38.

Do you at least attempt to allow your ass to take breaths in between talking out of it? Are we doing look at the decline in Jaromir Jagr after 35 next?
- joel878

Not worth the cap hit.

Not worth the cap hit.
- Rare_Jewel

You don't even know what the cap hit on his next contract will be. How can you not like it already?

You don't even know what the cap hit on his next contract will be. How can you not like it already?
- Nasty_Duck

The number that keeps getting thrown around here is "half" of what he makes now which is about 5-6 AAV. A player like Tavares does not play bottom-six minutes well. And if his offensive game continues to decline at the rate it is declining at, he simply won't be worth 5-6 AAV for the next 3-5 years.

And that's assuming he plays for that amount. If he has a big offensive year this year, maybe he decides he wants one more big contract. And then you really can't afford him.

Absolutely correct and a lot of common sense people live there unlike in T O
- broncohorvath