Yes, but I don't think this rebuild is a marketing campaign, at least not in the eyes of Torts who I believe was the catalyst to this so-called rebuild from the footings in the first place. Torts said it many times this year, you cannot fall in love with players. You have to do this right. Now one other possibility that I have thought of is what if Couts decides he wants out and the Flyers find a suitor for Couts? Does freeing up a portion of that cap space make it more palatable for the Flyers to extend TK and give him the 'C'? This off-season is going to be very, very interesting.
- jd250

Tortorella falls in love with players. He played Ryan Poehling 19 minutes in a must win game. It's always a marketing campaign for the Flyers. The biggest issue is that they either don't know what a true rebuild is or they are unwilling to follow a correct rebuild path.

What I will say is that the packages discussed on here seem underwhelming for tk. I’d want a first and one of the teams top prospects who’s close to nhl ready at minimum. If you’re talking about a 2nd and 3rd rounder or something like that it’s almost pointless unless you are just trying to get rid of him. If that means this plays out to the tdl for max return then so be it. This trade can’t be screwed up. If we whiff on it, it’s throwing assets out the window
- Hextall271

Agreed. The TK and our 12th to move up a couple spots is just insane. There is nothing worth moving up for that is worth TK(worth a first at least by himself) plus our 12th. Not even Celebrini.

Why?
- coffee junkie

Because that's what the Flyers do. They're unwilling to bottom out and are always trying to be competitive to sell tickets, merch, etc.

Agreed. The TK and our 12th to move up a couple spots is just insane. There is nothing worth moving up for that is worth TK(worth a first at least by himself) plus our 12th. Not even Celebrini.
- TheFreak

Yeah. That was one of the proposals I was shaking my head at.

If they are going to trade TK why not wait until the TDL? Is next years draft class better than this years? I heard after the top 3 of this year there really isn't much to write home about.

If true, trade him
- jd250

but he wants to be here, hometown discount.

Konecny and his agent both know he is not a 10M a year player. It's just posturing and a starting point for negotiation. The deal will likely be an 8 year deal in the 8M a year range.
- MJL

you are a wealth of knowledge. not one person though that was the case.

flyers had him pegged at 10.5. So they see 10 as bargain...

I just don't see the team wanting to deal with that kind of distraction all season long. It just doesn't seem to me to be the organizational MO.

If he isn't traded at the draft, he will be signed on July 1st. I have serious doubts the team lets it fester throughout the season, especially as late as the trade deadline. If, as they expect, they are fighting for a playoff spot at the deadline, the pressure to keep him will be tremendous. Trading your best player in that situation would be a PR nightmare. IMO they can't let it get to that point.
- MBFlyerfan

new era of orange...

If I’m Konecny’s agent, I don’t budge much at all from my asking price. Maybe half a million a year tops is my wiggle room. The Flyers fall in love with players. They say “can’t fall in love with players” and that’s the giveaway. More projection.

Easy money for TK and his agent. Hardest thing for the agent this summer is deciding how to spend that sweet commission.

Wow....who saw this coming

Absolute asset mismanagement

Wow....who saw this coming

Absolute asset mismanagement
- THE BLACK HAND

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Yes, but I don't think this rebuild is a marketing campaign, at least not in the eyes of Torts who I believe was the catalyst to this so-called rebuild from the footings in the first place. Torts said it many times this year, you cannot fall in love with players. You have to do this right. Now one other possibility that I have thought of is what if Couts decides he wants out and the Flyers find a suitor for Couts? Does freeing up a portion of that cap space make it more palatable for the Flyers to extend TK and give him the 'C'? This off-season is going to be very, very interesting.
- jd250

he is a proven liar.

tk needs to be moved. only way he should stay is if the flyers decide to then "go for it" and not do their fake rebuild.

no one is taking on ex selke at this time until they see how he looks when the season starts.

True, but last season it was considered by many including myself that the Flyers were heading for the playoffs and losing Walker put a serious dent in that, though I think losing Hart was the real dagger as it turned out. So there was pressure to keep Walker and go for the playoffs, and the Flyers did the right thing. If TK does not budge I hope they do the right thing again.
- jd250

you do recall they tried hard to keep walker right?

Giroux was 34, not 27. The Flyers wanted to re-sign Walker. There is a big difference between a top all star level player on the team and a player who was successful reclamation project that played for you for less than a season.
- MJL

walker was not a reclamation project.

also cc had a NMC so what were the flyers really going to do. bad comparison to tk situation.

What I will say is that the packages discussed on here seem underwhelming for tk. I’d want a first and one of the teams top prospects who’s close to nhl ready at minimum. If you’re talking about a 2nd and 3rd rounder or something like that it’s almost pointless unless you are just trying to get rid of him. If that means this plays out to the tdl for max return then so be it. This trade can’t be screwed up. If we whiff on it, it’s throwing assets out the window
- Hextall271

It is a big decision and DB needs to get it right. I’d like DB to succeed, the same way I hoped Fletcher would, the same way I wanted the Hextall plan to work. So far it’s a mixed bag of results. A couple of ok trades that by taking on bad $ allowed the Flyers to garner some draft capital. They lost their 2nd biggest asset and for a team that lacks talent that shouldn’t have been allowed to happen.
This is the next in line of major decisions for the new regime who really needs to get some “wins” in their decisions.

you do recall they tried hard to keep walker right?
- hello it's me 2050

Isn’t that what rebuilding teams do?

https://www.thefourthperi...ontract-and-what-it-means

I don’t think it has even been considered by the Flyers to move TK.

Comparing the potential TK deal to Timo Meier's deal is a good one when looking purely at production. Both were drafted same year. Pretty much the same age. Timo has more goals, Konecny has more points.

The difference lies in one factor. The Devils, when they signed Meier, where supposed to be a team taking the next step to Stanley Cup contention. Whereas the Flyers are a team who are supposed to be at the beginning of a rebuild. Rebuilding teams shouldn't be handing out 8 year deals to players who will be 36 when the deal ends.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/dimarco/konecnys-next-contract-and-what-it-means

I don’t think it has even been considered by the Flyers to move TK.
- StepfordSam

As one league executive described to me, Morris (and Newport) will “go for the jugular” in contract negotiations.

no way he will take team friendly deal...

Because that's what the Flyers do. They're unwilling to bottom out and are always trying to be competitive to sell tickets, merch, etc.
- MJL

…and that’s why we love them

Comparing the potential TK deal to Timo Meier's deal is a good one when looking purely at production. Both were drafted same year. Pretty much the same age. Timo has more goals, Konecny has more points.

The difference lies in one factor. The Devils, when they signed Meier, where supposed to be a team taking the next step to Stanley Cup contention. Whereas the Flyers are a team who are supposed to be at the beginning of a rebuild. Rebuilding teams shouldn't be handing out 8 year deals to players who will be 36 when the deal ends.
- MBFlyerfan

Meier signed his deal with a team that needs only a couple more pieces, some health and they are set to contend…..best case scenario is TK plays to his contract for the first 4 years and then the contract becomes the albatross it’s sure to become….right when the Flyers are hoping to contend by. Right when they will need cap flexibility to perhaps add a final piece or two. The timing makes little to no sense.

Konecny and his agent both know he is not a 10M a year player. It's just posturing and a starting point for negotiation. The deal will likely be an 8 year deal in the 8M a year range.
- MJL

Which would still be a mistake. Konecny is not the type of impact player that they should be extending for 8 years when he’ll be 28 at the start of the deal.

The smart move, by far, would be to trade him, and, for that matter to trade Laughton. The younger Farabee and Frost are the guys they shouldn’t be dealing.

But it’s the Flyers, so I’m expecting 8 years and 70 million.

If they are going to trade TK why not wait until the TDL? Is next years draft class better than this years? I heard after the top 3 of this year there really isn't much to write home about.
- WhiskeyMan

It’s a good point. This isn’t supposed to be a strong draft. Even if they re sign him without a ntc or nmc it’s fine. Teams are going to come looking to get him on the cheap which is suspect that they already have tried and db should hold out for an overpay. As I mentioned getting rid of him for nothing just to shed salary and to bottom out in the standings isn’t wise.

…and that’s why we love them
- Dkos

.. or love to hate them. Sometimes I don’t know which it is haha.

If they are going to trade TK why not wait until the TDL? Is next years draft class better than this years? I heard after the top 3 of this year there really isn't much to write home about.
- WhiskeyMan

Could do it on the 2nd day of the draft so acquiring team has already used 2024 1st. Probably the better option if the choice is to trade TK.