It’s a mixed bag of messaging from what I see. Not what they say…because that’s all rebuild….but the signings, holding on to guys like Laughton, Seeler. Yes they moved Walker.
That’s why I remain on the fence…because it looks more incoherent then I had hoped a rebuild would look…
- landros 2

Well said and this is where I am at. I am more on the side of this team not truly rebuilding and they are trying to thread the needle on another rebuild on the fly. Walker was a slam dunk to trade so I don't think the trade was any master stroke by GMDB.

At this point I just don't see where TK fits in the long term plans. Giving out a huge contract is not what this team needs right now. I love TK but the term and money is just too much. Gain assets.

Could do it on the 2nd day of the draft so acquiring team has already used 2024 1st. Probably the better option if the choice is to trade TK.
- Flyerfan328

I have always had it in my mind that if he is traded at the draft it would be more a 2025 1st and a prospect. Leverage the remaining year under contract to get a better return.

Could do it on the 2nd day of the draft so acquiring team has already used 2024 1st. Probably the better option if the choice is to trade TK.
- Flyerfan328

If they are going to trade him I’d be looking at next years draft and beyond as well as nhl ready top prospects. Him and our first this year to move up to like 5 is stupidity. I think they could get a good haul and I do expect db is asking for the moon which he should.

If they are going to trade TK why not wait until the TDL? Is next years draft class better than this years? I heard after the top 3 of this year there really isn't much to write home about.
- WhiskeyMan

Solid point. I rather have the pick(s) in the next draft if they were to trade TK. This year... I am sticking at 12 unless there is a deal to be made. TK and the 12th to move up in the draft is not worth it this year.

Solid point. I rather have the pick(s) in the next draft if they were to trade TK. This year... I am sticking at 12 unless there is a deal to be made. TK and the 12th to move up in the draft is not worth it this year.
- Flyfly

Absolutely agree.

Torts said it many times this year, you cannot fall in love with players. You have to do this right.
- jd250

They probably could have gotten a top-90 pick for Seeler, instead they re-signed him.

They reportedly could have traded Laughton multiple times for a high-ish pick, yet he's still here.

They could have flipped Poehling, a dime a dozen player at the peak of his value, but decided to extend him and make him a part of the core.

Does a team that's serious about rebuilding pass up all those potential assets? Does a rebuilding team choose Seeler, Laughton and Poehling over a 1st, 2nd and another mid-round pick?

Blah blah blah b/c The Standard... it's either a rebuild or it's not.

If they are going to trade him I’d be looking at next years draft and beyond as well as nhl ready top prospects. Him and our first this year to move up to like 5 is stupidity. I think they could get a good haul and I do expect db is asking for the moon which he should.
- Hextall271

Not getting huge haul for a guy who wants 10M per yr who is far from an elite player. Real good offensive player but no one is giving up assets to pay him 8 to 10M per yr when if you want him you can get him next yr and not give up assets. Flyers would get more waiting to trade deadline problem being if they are in playoff hunt they wont trade him

It's as much of a lock as a lock can be. I would be shocked if they trade him.
- MJL

If they do trade him I have a feeling they'd be looking for a "hockey deal", not pure futures.

They'll want a Kuzmenko type in the return.

It’s a good point. This isn’t supposed to be a strong draft. Even if they re sign him without a ntc or nmc it’s fine. Teams are going to come looking to get him on the cheap which is suspect that they already have tried and db should hold out for an overpay. As I mentioned getting rid of him for nothing just to shed salary and to bottom out in the standings isn’t wise.
- Hextall271

there will be no overpay for tk. peeps have an over inflated opinion of his value.

there is no long term benefit to re-sign him none.

If they are going to trade him I’d be looking at next years draft and beyond as well as nhl ready top prospects. Him and our first this year to move up to like 5 is stupidity. I think they could get a good haul and I do expect db is asking for the moon which he should.
- Hextall271

why should he ask for the moon on a player like tk? that is when you look like a fool gm.

remember what "jonesy" has siad several times. not looking to win a trade looking to be fair. something to that effect.

They probably could have gotten a top-90 pick for Seeler, instead they re-signed him.

They reportedly could have traded Laughton multiple times for a high-ish pick, yet he's still here.

They could have flipped Poehling, a dime a dozen player at the peak of his value, but decided to extend him and make him a part of the core.

Does a team that's serious about rebuilding pass up all those potential assets? Does a rebuilding team choose Seeler, Laughton and Poehling over a 1st, 2nd and another mid-round pick?

Blah blah blah b/c The Standard... it's either a rebuild or it's not.
- Tomahawk

This one is what I don't get. I get the Flyers love his intangibles but Laughts for a 1st rounder at this point is a no brainer. I love Laughts too but take the pick and move on. I feel like every TDL and offseason we hear about how teams are calling for Laughton but somehow he sticks around.

TK is not the type of player worthy of $10 million. As good as he is, he is not a 10M player. Forget the rebuild timing which doesn’t work either.

This one is what I don't get. I get the Flyers love his intangibles but Laughts for a 1st rounder at this point is a no brainer. I love Laughts too but take the pick and move on. I feel like every TDL and offseason we hear about how teams are calling for Laughton but somehow he sticks around.
- Flyfly

And although players like Laughton don’t grown on trees with those intangibles, they are easier to find than 1st round draft picks.

It’s a good point. This isn’t supposed to be a strong draft. Even if they re sign him without a ntc or nmc it’s fine. Teams are going to come looking to get him on the cheap which is suspect that they already have tried and db should hold out for an overpay. As I mentioned getting rid of him for nothing just to shed salary and to bottom out in the standings isn’t wise.
- Hextall271

A trade of Konecny doesn't have to be for a pick in this draft. It could be for a pick or picks in the 25 draft

when carter hart is eventually cleared does he have a path back to the flyers?

A trade of Konecny doesn't have to be for a pick in this draft. It could be for a pick or picks in the 25 draft
- MJL

or young nhl ready player or one in the nhl

And although players like Laughton don’t grown on trees with those intangibles, they are easier to find than 1st round draft picks.
- mikeyo27

Exactly. I like Laughts but if you can get a 1st you take it and don't look back.

Tortorella falls in love with players. He played Ryan Poehling 19 minutes in a must win game. It's always a marketing campaign for the Flyers. The biggest issue is that they either don't know what a true rebuild is or they are unwilling to follow a correct rebuild path.
- MJL

whats the correct path? They have been drafting and developing since Ronnie, and here we are.

whats the correct path? They have been drafting and developing since Ronnie, and here we are.
- bradster

Yeah. That was one of the proposals I was shaking my head at.
- Hextall271

So in 4 years when one of those defensemen have developed into a true #1 Dman and the Flyers are still languishing as a borderline playoff team, you’ll be fine with TK’s $9m contract still having 5 more years and the winger they get at 12 is no better than a 2nd line player?

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/dimarco/konecnys-next-contract-and-what-it-means

I don’t think it has even been considered by the Flyers to move TK.
- StepfordSam

I thought it was interesting about having the same agent as Elias Lindholm and they wanted $9m. Calgary moved in rather than be held hostage. It’ll be interesting to see what he gets this summer and if they overplayed their hand. I would trade TK, but if they’re going to resign him I’d let that play out and say to TK look how your agent screwed that guy.

I thought it was interesting about having the same agent as Elias Lindholm and they wanted $9m. Calgary moved in rather than be held hostage. It’ll be interesting to see what he gets this summer and if they overplayed their hand. I would trade TK, but if they’re going to resign him I’d let that play out and say to TK look how your agent screwed that guy.
- Schmojo

Cant wait for the press conference. In no order. Please add if you like.

- Glad to have TK in the fold for 8 more years.
- TK is what it means to be a flyer.
- TK wanted to be here.
- You don’t let guys like TK walk.
- Can’t replace what he brings.
- He is part of the culture.

Cant wait for the press conference. In no order. Please add if you like.

- Glad to have TK in the fold for 8 more years.
- TK is what it means to be a flyer.
- TK wanted to be here.
- You don’t let guys like TK walk.
- Can’t replace what he brings.
- He is part of the culture.
- hello it's me 2050

It will be verbatim. We should have a drinking game. Take a shot for every one we check off. Nobody will be left to post anything.

when carter hart is eventually cleared does he have a path back to the flyers?
- hello it's me 2050

I’m sorry. What???

He’s done in the NHL either way. You don’t come back from that.

whats the correct path? They have been drafting and developing since Ronnie, and here we are.
- bradster

Hextall’s approach was a half measure. He basically didn’t do anything. Either rebuild, which means you trade away veteran players to acquire picks and prospects, or you have to go all in the way Vegas has done it.