Oh we’ve disused this a lot before and I know your take and you know mine. My only hope is that db doesn’t trade tk for a song and I dont think he will. The only scenario which is unacceptable on my view is an overpay resign with a ntc nmc. You can’t have that. If they re sign him to good value, they can flip him to a contender and really fleece them. Say a first a second and a couple of top prospects ( a centre and a dman). Might be a lot but teams get desperate. Now you’re talking.
- Hextall271

Guaranteed that when the inevitable happens and they re-sign Konecny. Many will see it as an overpay. It will have movement clauses in the contractt. No doubt. He has UFA leverage.

TK has trade value. TK is one of our best players. TK is a 30-ish goal scorer.

If another team wants TK as part of a package for a 1st round pick (24 or 25) or young NHL prospect (center??) then I listen.

I am not actively shopping one of my top scorers because his agent asked for $10mil.

Flyers will resign him at $8.5 or $9 for those 8 years. He'll be a 60-70 point guy for most of those years. He's a complimentary piece for the Cup team.
- cdearth23

I listen all day long if that’s what the package looks like. In fact, they probably make the deal and I’d be ecstatic. This is the type of trade where you need to make it a clear fleecing. They’re in the drivers seat. Trading to for a song only prolongs the rebuild. If you’re going to send him out, ask for and get the moon

Guaranteed that when the inevitable happens and they re-sign Konecny. Many will see it as an overpay. It will have movement clauses in the contractt. No doubt. He has UFA leverage.
- MJL

Man. I don’t want to see those nmc ntc. Look at the pickle it’s gotten the leafs into. You need that flexibility.

So in 4 years when one of those defensemen have developed into a true #1 Dman and the Flyers are still languishing as a borderline playoff team, you’ll be fine with TK’s $9m contract still having 5 more years and the winger they get at 12 is no better than a 2nd line player?
- Schmojo

I am more than fine with trading TK, but not as a throw in to move up in the draft. If you look at what a player like TK gets when traded at this point of their career, and it is almost always a first plus a prospect, plus more. Keeping TK makes no sense at all. The only path to using him correctly is to trade him for a package. Not trading him as part of a package to move up does not automatically mean that the Flyers are signing him for 8 years at a huge figure. They can trade him for other options. Adding him to a first to move up a few spots seems like a throw in.

You do realize that there is no guarantee when it comes to draft picks, right? Up until the last 2 weeks, all I have heard is how weak this draft is, how 2-15 are basically the same quality of player, with different strengths and different weaknesses. None are an absolute bonafide top pairing dman, or a #1C, and all will need time to figure it out. If we were talking about a Hieskenen type dman...ok..lets talk about moving up and not using TK. I think we should just stand pat at the draft, draft BPA with both firsts, and run. Trade TK at the draft or during the summer for a #1 in 2025 and prospect, and enjoy the cap savings. Use the 3 firsts you would have next year to target more specific positions...it's deeper draft.

But not trading TK to just move up doesn't mean you would be stuck with TK for 8 years and a huge salary, and that the #12 pick would be a second liner. Any pick in the first round, next to Celebrini, could be a huge bust. It would give you a better option than trading 2 frst and a prospect to move up a few spots for the same caliber of player.

agreed, I do think the cap is a factor, it should mitigate the cap hit a little, if the Cap is going up year over over. That said a rebuild does not need this contract, unless another contract was moved and that is not possible, AKA Coots.

Can they still front load contracts and make the real money less on the later part of the contract?
- wcorvette

Coots for Dubois?

If it's exactly what Holmgren did, when did Holmgren use the expansion draft to build a large part of the base of the team?




That's false. They were in a much better cap position and the prospect base was one of the highest rated in hockey when he left. When he was hired, the cap was a mess and the prospect base was bare. You know full well that upper management would have never approved or allowed Hextall to completely blow it up when he was hired in 2014. You're not being objective if you blame Hextall for not immediately trading those players.
- MJL

nothing but fn excuses for your dad. he wasnt very good cliff. just say it 1 time. he ran the show. in total control

a completely overrated base you forgot to add.

Oh we’ve disused this a lot before and I know your take and you know mine. My only hope is that db doesn’t trade tk for a song and I dont think he will. The only scenario which is unacceptable on my view is an overpay resign with a ntc nmc. You can’t have that. If they re sign him to good value, they can flip him to a contender and really fleece them. Say a first a second and a couple of top prospects ( a centre and a dman). Might be a lot but teams get desperate. Now you’re talking.
- Hextall271

he will not be signed to flip. he will also get the flyers standard NMC

I listen all day long if that’s what the package looks like. In fact, they probably make the deal and I’d be ecstatic. This is the type of trade where you need to make it a clear fleecing. They’re in the drivers seat. Trading to for a song only prolongs the rebuild. If you’re going to send him out, ask for and get the moon
- Hextall271

you are not fleecing anyone for travis fn Konecny.

mid to late 1st, solid prospect, nhl player.

Coots for Dubois?
- TheFreak

I would roll that dice easily imo.

I would roll that dice easily imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Taking on an additional year and $750K per year. LA would need to sweeten the pot before I would take that deal. PLD is younger and that is about the only advantage he has right now.

rest from the A, seems Kurz is a fan of a resign.


The counterargument to extending Konecny is that he may already be past his prime by the time the Flyers hope to be true contenders, and dealing him for assets now, when his value is at its highest, is the preferable option.

But that’s narrow-minded, considering the steps the Flyers took this season as a group and how they’ve prioritized a strong culture while trying to win.

And Konecny would still be just 28 years old when his new deal kicked in, in 2025-26. As a player who’s avoided any major injuries throughout his career, he should still be in a position to be productive that season and in several more. In the NHL this past season, 36 players aged 29 or older posted at least 60 points — and 34 had at least 25 goals, too. These guys aren’t easy to find.

Yes, the Flyers will have to sign some of their own to long-term extensions, too. Cam York and Tyson Foerster, in particular, could be in line for significant raises at some point in the near future. Maybe Morgan Frost, too. But as it stands right now, the Flyers have just three NHL-level forwards signed past 2025-26: Couturier, Owen Tippett and Joel Farabee. While Couturier’s contract, $7.75 million annually through 2029-30, is concerning after his poor second half, Farabee is a good candidate to get moved in the offseason. There should be plenty of room for a healthy Konecny extension, particularly as the salary cap rises again.

If Konecny were to be moved now, it would leave another hole up front that the Flyers would probably have to try to plug later on. Other than maybe Matvei Michkov, no other forward in the Flyers system at the moment is a surefire NHL player. If the Flyers plan on being competitive in 2026-27, which would be the second year of a Konecny extension, veteran players will still be necessary. The four teams still alive in the 2024 Stanley Cup playoffs reflect that, as this note from CapFriendly illustrates:


General manager Daniel Briere has plenty of work to do to make the Flyers a contender again. Finding true difference-makers will be his biggest challenge. There’s always the possibility Konecny could bring back a young asset who could help in the long run, even if it’s unlikely the return would be an elite-level prospect or top-10 draft pick.

But Briere has plenty of other ways to do that without moving Konecny, including eight picks in the first two rounds in each of the next two drafts. And he’s made no secret about executing a potential hockey trade in the future, perhaps for a high-end player with another club who’s looking for a change in scenery and wants to be part of what seems to be an improving team in one of the best hockey markets in the countr
- wcorvette

This isn’t true nor does it matter because the Flyers should be selling. In fact the Flyers are pretty stacked at RW in my opinion.

Taking on an additional year and $750K per year. LA would need to sweeten the pot before I would take that deal. PLD is younger and that is about the only advantage he has right now.
- mickel25

I'd rather see how Couturier is this upcoming season.

TK has trade value. TK is one of our best players. TK is a 30-ish goal scorer.

If another team wants TK as part of a package for a 1st round pick (24 or 25) or young NHL prospect (center??) then I listen.

I am not actively shopping one of my top scorers because his agent asked for $10mil.

Flyers will resign him at $8.5 or $9 for those 8 years. He'll be a 60-70 point guy for most of those years. He's a complimentary piece for the Cup team.
- cdearth23

Every single word land out here wants TK traded even more. These are examples of why he should be traded.

I'd rather see how Couturier is this upcoming season.
- MJL

If PLD is the best they can do in a deal right now I would rather see what Coots can do this season as well.

I understand Coots has very little value at this point.

It’s exactly what Homer did. From 2008 to 2010 the Flyers made 1 pick in the first 2 rounds. That pick, Sbisa, was traded away a year later to get Pronger. Homer also traded away their own 1st, 2nd, & 3rd in 2011. That’s exactly the way Vegas has been operating.

Hextall did not leave them in a better spot. They were in a much worse spot when he was fired. The team talent level was inferior and he had wasted the primes of their best players. The total return for G, Voracek, and Simmonds is so awful compared to what they could have gotten moving on from them starting in 2014.
- Schmojo

100%, are ya gonna rebuild, or gonna compete? keeping G and elite Jake while trying to rebuild through the draft was assinine.

If it's exactly what Holmgren did, when did Holmgren use the expansion draft to build a large part of the base of the team?




That's false. They were in a much better cap position and the prospect base was one of the highest rated in hockey when he left. When he was hired, the cap was a mess and the prospect base was bare. You know full well that upper management would have never approved or allowed Hextall to completely blow it up when he was hired in 2014. You're not being objective if you blame Hextall for not immediately trading those players.
- MJL

So upper management doesnt stop hextall from limiting access to alumni, which management disagrees with , but dictates on other moves/non moves he makes? Got it

Taking on an additional year and $750K per year. LA would need to sweeten the pot before I would take that deal. PLD is younger and that is about the only advantage he has right now.
- mickel25

yeah as taking on a broken-down ex selke requires the other team to sweeten the pot.

One day closer to the TK mega extension. I really can’t wait. It will be the event of the summer.
- StepfordSam

if it is 10+ mil like eklund reports he's asking, he's 100% getting traded

yeah as taking on a broken-down ex selke requires the other team to sweeten the pot.
- hello it's me 2050

Right now it doesn't make sense to move Couturier. Especially if they move Frost and Laughton.

I would see what happens this year. If he can play closer to his normal play, then maybe he regains value that makes him tradeable. Right now, I don't see you get much value in my eyes.

Right now it doesn't make sense to move Couturier. Especially if they move Frost and Laughton.

I would see what happens this year. If he can play closer to his normal play, then maybe he regains value that makes him tradeable. Right now, I don't see you get much value in my eyes.
- J35Bacher

if you can move him you do it; within reason.

I do not think they move frost or Laughton.

well said
- hello it's me 2050

he loves me, he loves me not

yeah as taking on a broken-down ex selke requires the other team to sweeten the pot.
- hello it's me 2050

Just don't get why the Flyers would want to take on more term for a player that is not better than Couturier right now? I get he is younger but what else does he offer that the Flyers should be willing to take on another year and $750K per year?

I am fine with trading Couturier. I understand overall any trade of Couturier will not net much or anything for the Flyers. But they do not need to make their situation worse.

I agree with your worry. In a podcast, Briere said he didn’t like having to trade Walker and hopes he doesn’t have to make a trade like that again. That is very concerning.
- Schmojo

Stop believing anything that comes out of these guys mouth. They are paid to lie. They spend all last season talking about what a big part of the future Cutter Gauthier would be while secretly trying to trade him.

Just don't get why the Flyers would want to take on more term for a player that is not better than Couturier right now? I get he is younger but what else does he offer that the Flyers should be willing to take on another year and $750K per year?

I am fine with trading Couturier. I understand overall any trade of Couturier will not net much or anything for the Flyers. But they do not need to make their situation worse.
- mickel25

he put up back to back 60+ point season. had a down year and had 40+. So that is what he offers. Take my chances over a broken-down ex selke. Maybe it ends up being worse, still would take the risk.

you or someone proposed the deal. I gave my opinion on said deal.

he loves me, he loves me not
- anti-lame

not surprising you are on that team.