I don’t think so. I think the press is all aboard the Konecny extension but I don’t think fans are that invested in the player. His popularity is being overblown. The internet community will hate it regardless.

The tell was Snow the Goalie bit. They sent out ASF speaking such nonsense about 10 mil being fine and he will be easier to trade with an 8 year deal. It contradicted everything he said for years about long term contracts. They don’t do that if they felt they didn’t have to get fans onboard with that type of extension
- psuhockey

Such an embarrassment of an organization. This is Toronto extending kessel 10 years ago

Such an embarrassment of an organization. This is Toronto extending kessel 10 years ago
- Just5

ASF will say whatever they tell him to in hopes that Torts will talk to him again one day.

yeah people say with conviction that they "tried hard to resign walker" and there is no evidence for that. it's GM speak - we really like the guy and tried to resign him but in the end did the best thing for the team. saying we tried hard to resign him is being extremely gullible - or at the very least obtuse to fit a narrative.
- anti-lame

They did re-sign his much inferior partner for four years, which is not a move a team that is actually rebuilding makes. Just like last season the goal will be to sneak into the playoffs so Head Clown Keith Jones can puff out his chest and brag about how far ahead of schedule they are.

Seeler's $2.7m AAV has them already at the cap ceiling, highest in the league.

https://www.capfriendly.com/

Once CBJ keep their 2nd rounder (36th overall), the only extra meaningful pick the allegedly rebuilding Flyers will have in the 2024 draft is the ~30th overall that came from Fletcher's trade of Giroux aover two years ago.

Most real contenders don't have many top level prospects and their picks will not be high picks. Why wouldn't a real good team take him for a full season and then let him walk to free agency just as they would if they traded for him at the deadline? The Flyers can retain to help with the cap. The Flyers have to find the right fit for a trade partner.
- MJL

Why wouldn't a real good team take him now instead of the trade deadline?.a good team will know their status better at the trade deadline and can decide if that's the move they want to make rather than before the season. Take Carolina as an example they felt they had a real good shot at the deadline and went all in as did Vegas and oth er teams. Why give up assets before the season when you dont need the player for the regular season and you could have a yr like NJ and have wasted prospects. Every team except a very few have quality prospects..TK is for all intents and purposes a UFA to an acquiring team again why give up prospects now when dont know if will need him

Reliable sources are fed information by agents or front offices. They don’t break news anymore. I thought that was widely known by now. It’s the same reason Konecny’s contract demands were leaked. The front office wanted it out there. Unfortunately it was probably done to soften the news of the extension when it finally hits. That will be plenty proof that they aren’t rebuilding but making up a narrative about wanting to resign Walker is just playing dumb to prove your point. I would assume you are smarter than that.
- psuhockey

Your not making much sense. Of course reliable sources have sources. How else do they get their information? LOL You're wrong that they don't break news to the public. of course they do. What are you talking about? Doubtful that the Flyers front office leaked that concerning Konecny. More likely that his agent did. It isn't a narrative concerning Walker and it's not made up. You're talking out your ass even more so than usual. I never assumed you were smarter than that and your posting on this pretty much proves that you're not. It's not any kind of a secret that the Flyers tried to re-sign Walker.

They did re-sign his much inferior partner for four years, which is not a move a team that is actually rebuilding makes. Just like last season the goal will be to sneak into the playoffs so Head Clown Keith Jones can puff out his chest and brag about how far ahead of schedule they are.

Seeler's $2.7m AAV has them already at the cap ceiling, highest in the league.

https://www.capfriendly.com/

Once CBJ keep their 2nd rounder (36th overall), the only extra meaningful pick the allegedly rebuilding Flyers will have in the 2024 draft is the ~30th overall that came from Fletcher's trade of Giroux aover two years ago.
- Feanor

lol yeah it's that seeler deal bloating our cap situation

Im confident this won’t be an 8 year deal. I think they may sign him if konecny agrees to 6 years.
- Just5

What makes you so confident? This could potentially be Konecny's last contract. It's his best shot at a big deal with UFA leverage. There is no question that it will be an 8 year deal.

Soften the news? An extension is what most flyer fans want to have happen imo.
- Just5

Yes, there is no need to soften the news. It's what the fan base as a whole wants. They would take a PR hit if they trade Konecny. He's not smart enough to realize that.

I don’t think so. I think the press is all aboard the Konecny extension but I don’t think fans are that invested in the player. His popularity is being overblown. The internet community will hate it regardless.

The tell was Snow the Goalie bit. They sent out ASF speaking such nonsense about 10 mil being fine and he will be easier to trade with an 8 year deal. It contradicted everything he said for years about long term contracts. They don’t do that if they felt they didn’t have to get fans onboard with that type of extension
- psuhockey

There is no question that the majority of the fan base wants Konecny re-signed. They're all in on Tortorella and the culture. You are badly misinformed.

Why wouldn't a real good team take him now instead of the trade deadline?.a good team will know their status better at the trade deadline and can decide if that's the move they want to make rather than before the season. Take Carolina as an example they felt they had a real good shot at the deadline and went all in as did Vegas and oth er teams. Why give up assets before the season when you dont need the player for the regular season and you could have a yr like NJ and have wasted prospects. Every team except a very few have quality prospects..TK is for all intents and purposes a UFA to an acquiring team again why give up prospects now when dont know if will need him
- hfc355

If the Flyers retain 50%, they can get a 30 goal 60 point player for a full season probably for the same price as they would pay at the deadline. Good teams don't go into it thinking they're going to have a down year. Adding a player like Konecny for a full season helps guard against that. Teams know what they need for next season.

Your not making much sense. Of course reliable sources have sources. How else do they get their information? LOL You're wrong that they don't break news to the public. of course they do. What are you talking about? Doubtful that the Flyers front office leaked that concerning Konecny. More likely that his agent did. It isn't a narrative concerning Walker and it's not made up. You're talking out your ass even more so than usual. I never assumed you were smarter than that and your posting on this pretty much proves that you're not. It's not any kind of a secret that the Flyers tried to re-sign Walker.
- MJL

I guess my assumption was wrong.

I guess my assumption was wrong.
- psuhockey

Well you know, when you assume, you make an ass out of yourself and you definitely have. There are reputable sources that reported that the Flyers negotiated with Walker to try and get a contract extension done. That's what supports my opinion. What do you have to support yours? Squat! Which is why you took this childish and asinine approach.

Well you know, when you assume, you make an ass out of yourself and you definitely have. There are reputable sources that reported that the Flyers negotiated with Walker to try and get a contract extension done. That's what supports my opinion. What do you have to support yours? Squat! Which is why you took this childish and asinine approach.
- MJL

You seem very angry today. Is everything ok?

You seem very angry today. Is everything ok?
- psuhockey

LOL, angry? No. Actually amused is what I am as I thoroughly enjoy it when guys like you make a fool of themselves. It's very entertaining. Do you have anything at all to support your silly speculation?

LOL, angry? No. Actually amused is what I am as I thoroughly enjoy it when guys like you make a fool of themselves. It's very entertaining. Do you have anything at all to support your silly speculation?
- MJL

You believed the reliable sources when they said they were trying to resign Walker yet don’t believe the same reliable sources who have said all last year and into this offseason that the Flyers are rebuilding. Why?

You believed the reliable sources when they said they were trying to resign Walker yet don’t believe the same reliable sources who have said all last year and into this offseason that the Flyers are rebuilding. Why?
- psuhockey

You're conflating two different things. Not going to work. You also don't have any evidence that I don't believe that. Start with providing that and then we can discuss it.

You're conflating two different things. Not going to work. You also don't have any evidence that I don't believe that. Start with providing that and then we can discuss it.
- MJL

you do talk out of both sides of your mouth though. pretty regularly. if the flyers said something or something was reported that you agree with then you take it as gospel.

if the same thing happens but it's something you don't agree with you go on your "they are lying, have never been honest, speculation, no facts" diatribe.

you do talk out of both sides of your mouth though. pretty regularly. if the flyers said something or something was reported that you agree with then you take it as gospel.

if the same thing happens but it's something you don't agree with you go on your "they are lying, have never been honest, speculation, no facts" diatribe.
- anti-lame

True statement

I don’t know how so many people could follow a team’s every move in such disapproval on a daily basis. So you’re from Philly. So what? You have 3 other impressive sports teams to follow. If you don’t like what the Flyers are selling, for your own peace of mind, move on.

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- MJL

Tk's value maxed during last off season or this past trade deadline. The team acquiring him would have had him for 2 full playoff runs and the ability to sign him to an extension. If they werent intending on trading him this year, and these negotiations break down and their hand is forced, they will be deal from a position of weakness and will garner an altered interested list of teams that will be able to take him on than the above mentioned scenario

If it's exactly what Holmgren did, when did Holmgren use the expansion draft to build a large part of the base of the team?




That's false. They were in a much better cap position and the prospect base was one of the highest rated in hockey when he left. When he was hired, the cap was a mess and the prospect base was bare. You know full well that upper management would have never approved or allowed Hextall to completely blow it up when he was hired in 2014. You're not being objective if you blame Hextall for not immediately trading those players.
- MJL

We’re talking about an approach to management. The expansion draft is irrelevant to the discussion. The point is that Homer and Vegas traded away picks and prospects for immediate roster players to try to win immediately.

You don’t know what Hextall pitched to Snider and you don’t know if Snider rejected any proposed plan. All we know is what Hextall did. If he wasn’t allowed to fully blow it up then he shouldn’t have taken the approach he did. If he was a good GM he’d have cleaned up the cap and kept pursuing big names to make them a contender. Instead, he sat around drafting while Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds wasted away their primes. Not to mention he was so bullish on a mediocre coach that refused to play Schenn at C. Then he lucks into a lottery win, trades Schenn away which forces them to play Patrick too early. But yeah, I just love all of the middle of the lineup players he drafted.

No. Even if he’s found not guilty for some reason no nhl team will employ him. It’s a pr disaster. It’ll be khl or nothing. Just the accusation is enough unfortunately.
- Hextall271

If he’s not guilty, there’s no PR disaster for that team. What don’t some of you understand about not guilty? We’re all fans of the Flyers who are in the same city as a team who signed a guy who went to jail. When the Eagles signed him there was some outrage and then people got over it. He had served his time. Logan Mailloux was charged and punished for what he did in Sweden and Montreal still drafted him. Hart is a very good goalie, Edmonton would love to have him right now. He will be signed very quickly if he’s not guilty.

I am more than fine with trading TK, but not as a throw in to move up in the draft. If you look at what a player like TK gets when traded at this point of their career, and it is almost always a first plus a prospect, plus more. Keeping TK makes no sense at all. The only path to using him correctly is to trade him for a package. Not trading him as part of a package to move up does not automatically mean that the Flyers are signing him for 8 years at a huge figure. They can trade him for other options. Adding him to a first to move up a few spots seems like a throw in.

You do realize that there is no guarantee when it comes to draft picks, right? Up until the last 2 weeks, all I have heard is how weak this draft is, how 2-15 are basically the same quality of player, with different strengths and different weaknesses. None are an absolute bonafide top pairing dman, or a #1C, and all will need time to figure it out. If we were talking about a Hieskenen type dman...ok..lets talk about moving up and not using TK. I think we should just stand pat at the draft, draft BPA with both firsts, and run. Trade TK at the draft or during the summer for a #1 in 2025 and prospect, and enjoy the cap savings. Use the 3 firsts you would have next year to target more specific positions...it's deeper draft.

But not trading TK to just move up doesn't mean you would be stuck with TK for 8 years and a huge salary, and that the #12 pick would be a second liner. Any pick in the first round, next to Celebrini, could be a huge bust. It would give you a better option than trading 2 frst and a prospect to move up a few spots for the same caliber of player.
- TheFreak

You do realize that Heiskanen and Makar each had concerns going into their draft right? Even the best prospects have areas of needed improvement, but scouts project where they’ll be in a few years if they improve in those areas. Both Hischier and Patrick were the consensus 1/2 in the draft ahead of Heiskanen and Makar. They each moved up quite a bit later in the season too.

I’m not sure what you’ve been reading but for months now people have said this draft is stronger at the top for defensemen. There are a few that have #1 upside. A guy like Buium has been on the rise since the WJC. The latter half of the first round is a little weaker. For example Scott Wheeler did an exercise doing a combined redraft ranking of the ‘23 & ‘24 class. He has:

Bedard (‘23)
Celebrini
Michkov (‘23)
Fantilli (‘23)
Carlsson (‘23)
Smith (‘23)
Levshunov
Demidov
Eiserman
Parekh
D*ckinson
Buium
Silayev
Benson (23)
Perreault (23)
Catton

That looks pretty solid to me. I’d prefer to use TK to move up in the draft because that’s how they’re going to potentially get an elite player, which is what they lack. Trading him for a package will most likely result in middle of the lineup quality players at best which is what they already have a lot of. It’s playing the odds. Neither option is a guarantee but you have a better shot at an elite player selecting high once vs selecting lower twice.

yeah people say with conviction that they "tried hard to resign walker" and there is no evidence for that. it's GM speak - we really like the guy and tried to resign him but in the end did the best thing for the team. saying we tried hard to resign him is being extremely gullible - or at the very least obtuse to fit a narrative.
- anti-lame

It’s not being gullible. Many outlets reported they were trying to resign him but thought the asking price was too high. After trading him, they go out and give Seeler a big extension. Also, Briere made the comment on a French podcast with former Canadiens players. It’s not like he was on there feeding lines to us in an official press conference. His statement also doesn’t confirm they’re abandoning a rebuild but does at least raise a concern that Walker was traded for reasons other than a rebuild.

It’s not being gullible. Many outlets reported they were trying to resign him but thought the asking price was too high. After trading him, they go out and give Seeler a big extension. Also, Briere made the comment on a French podcast with former Canadiens players. It’s not like he was on there feeding lines to us in an official press conference. His statement also doesn’t confirm they’re abandoning a rebuild but does at least raise a concern that Walker was traded for reasons other than a rebuild.
- Schmojo

nothing wrong with doing due diligence. i'd sign anyone at the right price. for all we know they're telling folks this so they can have their cake and eat it too. "we tried to sign him" to appease the folks that wanted to keep him, be it the fans or the players. this franchise does not tell you the truth.

We’re talking about an approach to management. The expansion draft is irrelevant to the discussion. The point is that Homer and Vegas traded away picks and prospects for immediate roster players to try to win immediately.


- Schmojo

When you state that what Vegas did is exactly what Holmgren did. The expansion draft is absolutely relevant. It's a large part of how Vegas built their team. Some parts of how they operated are similar but it is not exactly the same.

You don’t know what Hextall pitched to Snider and you don’t know if Snider rejected any proposed plan. All we know is what Hextall did. If he wasn’t allowed to fully blow it up then he shouldn’t have taken the approach he did. If he was a good GM he’d have cleaned up the cap and kept pursuing big names to make them a contender. Instead, he sat around drafting while Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds wasted away their primes. Not to mention he was so bullish on a mediocre coach that refused to play Schenn at C. Then he lucks into a lottery win, trades Schenn away which forces them to play Patrick too early. But yeah, I just love all of the middle of the lineup players he drafted.
- Schmojo

The Flyers hired Hextall because Holmgren knew they needed to change. If they were going to keep doing the same things, pushing big names in trades and free agency. Should've just kept Holmgren. Hextall was correct to adopt a focus on the draft as much as possible while trying to keep the upper brass satisfied. It's well documented, especially with how it went when they fired Hextall and the asinine press conference, that the Flyers would never accept a complete teardown. I disagree that Patrick was played too early. He belonged in the NHL from the get go. Hextall drafted a bunch of NHL players and some quality players. Just lacked acquiring elite impact players. Within the parameters that he was allowed to operate in, Hextall's plan of approach was correct. Just lacked execution.