Why wouldn't a real good team take him now instead of the trade deadline?.a good team will know their status better at the trade deadline and can decide if that's the move they want to make rather than before the season. Take Carolina as an example they felt they had a real good shot at the deadline and went all in as did Vegas and oth er teams. Why give up assets before the season when you dont need the player for the regular season and you could have a yr like NJ and have wasted prospects. Every team except a very few have quality prospects..TK is for all intents and purposes a UFA to an acquiring team again why give up prospects now when dont know if will need him
- hfc355

You take him now because he can help you all year and finish higher in the standings. Then at the deadline you can focus on other areas. Plus it’s much better having a player in from the start of the year than just at the deadline. TK’s cap hit this coming season is quite cheap.

There is no question that the majority of the fan base wants Konecny re-signed. They're all in on Tortorella and the culture. You are badly misinformed.
- MJL

Hey Richardwad. You’re wrong and a clueless azzhole

You take him now because he can help you all year and finish higher in the standings. Then at the deadline you can focus on other areas. Plus it’s much better having a player in from the start of the year than just at the deadline. TK’s cap hit this coming season is quite cheap.
- Schmojo

Especially if the Flyers retain salary to potentially increase the return.

When you state that what Vegas did is exactly what Holmgren did. The expansion draft is absolutely relevant. It's a large part of how Vegas built their team. Some parts of how they operated are similar but it is not exactly the same.




The Flyers hired Hextall because Holmgren knew they needed to change. If they were going to keep doing the same things, pushing big names in trades and free agency. Should've just kept Holmgren. Hextall was correct to adopt a focus on the draft as much as possible while trying to keep the upper brass satisfied. It's well documented, especially with how it went when they fired Hextall and the asinine press conference, that the Flyers would never accept a complete teardown. I disagree that Patrick was played too early. He belonged in the NHL from the get go. Hextall drafted a bunch of NHL players and some quality players. Just lacked acquiring elite impact players. Within the parameters that he was allowed to operate in, Hextall's plan of approach was correct. Just lacked execution.
- MJL

Well the Flyers had an expansion draft in 67 so I guess that played into how they built their team and made trades too. Seriously, Seattle had an expansion draft and hasn’t taken the same approach as Vegas. You don’t need to have just had an expansion draft to decide to trade picks and prospects to try to make an immediate run. Having cap space helps, and the Flyers had a TON of cap space during those peak Homer years. How do you think they were able to get guys like Briere, Timonen, & Hartnell signed. Big signings and big trades are how each GM operated. Each team disregarded draft picks and prospects in order to get immediate help.

Part of why Homer stepped down was because he felt after the Weber offer sheet, GMs around the league were less willing to make deals. Snider had passed already when Hexy was fired so it was different ownership and yes those people were clowns. But none of us know what Hexy sold to Snider or not. All we know is what he did. You don’t know if he tried to trade Giroux and Snider said no. But it was his job to sell them on an approach. If he couldn’t convince them to allow him to trade 28,93,17 then he should have gone in a different direction. He went and did basically the same thing in Pittsburgh and got fired immediately. He was the GM, and his tenure was a failure.

Especially if the Flyers retain salary to potentially increase the return.
- MJL

Yep, could get him close to $2.7m with 50% retained. I would think that’d be worth a pretty penny to a contender up against the cap.

Well the Flyers had an expansion draft in 67 so I guess that played into how they built their team and made trades too. Seriously, Seattle had an expansion draft and hasn’t taken the same approach as Vegas. You don’t need to have just had an expansion draft to decide to trade picks and prospects to try to make an immediate run. Having cap space helps, and the Flyers had a TON of cap space during those peak Homer years. How do you think they were able to get guys like Briere, Timonen, & Hartnell signed. Big signings and big trades are how each GM operated. Each team disregarded draft picks and prospects in order to get immediate help.


- Schmojo

It can't be EXACTLY the same, which is what you said, when Vegas used the leverage they had in the expansion draft as a large part of building their team. For example they got Shea Theodore from Anaheim for expansion draft considerations.

Part of why Homer stepped down was because he felt after the Weber offer sheet, GMs around the league were less willing to make deals. Snider had passed already when Hexy was fired so it was different ownership and yes those people were clowns. But none of us know what Hexy sold to Snider or not. All we know is what he did. You don’t know if he tried to trade Giroux and Snider said no. But it was his job to sell them on an approach. If he couldn’t convince them to allow him to trade 28,93,17 then he should have gone in a different direction. He went and did basically the same thing in Pittsburgh and got fired immediately. He was the GM, and his tenure was a failure.
- Schmojo

You keep on focusing on what is not known instead of what is. First of all, Holmgren hired Hextall, not Snider. Hextall's tenure was not a complete failure in my opinion. He did a lot of good things for the team.

Sooooo what's going on?

Oh.

How come all these small guys I liked in previous drafts are doing well?

Stupid Stanky Loganven

What makes you so confident? This could potentially be Konecny's last contract. It's his best shot at a big deal with UFA leverage. There is no question that it will be an 8 year deal.
- MJL

I listened closely to a DB interview not long after the Tippett extension. He went into detail how they have to be careful and make sure to have players in their best years and not go too long on older players. It’s why I’m sure York will get 8 years, and if am to take him at his word, TK if resigned will be getting a less than max deal imo. Remember, TK will be 29 at the start of the new deal.

I listened closely to a DB interview not long after the Tippett extension. He went into detail how they have to be careful and make sure to have players in their best years and not go too long on older players. It’s why I’m sure York will get 8 years, and if am to take him at his word, TK if resigned will be getting a less than max deal imo. Remember, TK will be 29 at the start of the new deal.
- Just5

I think you're failing to consider that there are two sides to a negotiation. Konecny is not going to sign a deal without max term in my opinion. Konecny will be 28, not 29 at the start of the new deal.

It can't be EXACTLY the same, which is what you said, when Vegas used the leverage they had in the expansion draft as a large part of building their team. For example they got Shea Theodore from Anaheim for expansion draft considerations.




You keep on focusing on what is not known instead of what is. First of all, Holmgren hired Hextall, not Snider. Hextall's tenure was not a complete failure in my opinion. He did a lot of good things for the team.
- MJL

Shea Theodore has nothing to do with what I said. Vegas has routinely traded away many of their picks and prospects to acquire players to help immediately. It has nothing to do with the expansion draft. Seattle could do the same thing if they chose to but haven’t. Other teams could choose to manage that way and don’t. The Flyers had huge pieces on their roster when Homer took over and he chose to trade away lots of picks just like Vegas. Each GM could have chosen a different approach.

You say I’m focusing on what is not known but you’ve said that he wasn’t allowed to trade those guys away which is not known. So I’m focusing on what he did which was not be aggressive to take advantage of his stars prime years nor trade them away to rebuild.

I think you're failing to consider that there are two sides to a negotiation. Konecny is not going to sign a deal without max term in my opinion. Konecny will be 28, not 29 at the start of the new deal.
- MJL

If not mistaken he does turn 29 the first year of his (talking season) new deal if they sign him. All the reason not to sign him. But, can’t argue he is going to want max term and max aav.

If not mistaken he does turn 29 the first year of his (talking season) new deal if they sign him. All the reason not to sign him. But, can’t argue he is going to want max term and max aav.
- Flyfly

now you've done it

I think you're failing to consider that there are two sides to a negotiation. Konecny is not going to sign a deal without max term in my opinion. Konecny will be 28, not 29 at the start of the new deal.
- MJL

I am fully aware there are two sides. You are correct 28. People looking at Meier as a comp also need to realize his new deal started at 26 yoa. If DB gives him 8 years, I personally wont care what DB has to say on anything.

now you've done it
- anti-lame

Haha yes indeed! The Coots contract is awesome but for anyone else, it is the typical Flyers way of doing the wrong thing.

Haha yes indeed! The Coots contract is awesome but for anyone else, it is the typical Flyers way of doing the wrong thing.
- Don Nachbaur

he has to be trolling with how all over the place he is

I am fully aware there are two sides. You are correct 28. People looking at Meier as a comp also need to realize his new deal started at 26 yoa. If DB gives him 8 years, I personally wont care what DB has to say on anything.
- Just5

Meier was also an added piece for a team ready to contend. They have better, younger stars. As well I agree, the age to start the contract matters.

morning peeps, always entertaining seeing cliff defend his daddy saint ronnie.

Hey Richardwad. You’re wrong and a clueless azzhole
- TEAGLE

Im not so sure about that. The majority of responses I have seen on Facebook, twitter, the podcasts are for the team to resign him. That may be changing now that the 10 million number has come out. I would say we in Hockeybuzz are almost always a minority representation of what the full fanbase thinks.

You do realize that Heiskanen and Makar each had concerns going into their draft right? Even the best prospects have areas of needed improvement, but scouts project where they’ll be in a few years if they improve in those areas. Both Hischier and Patrick were the consensus 1/2 in the draft ahead of Heiskanen and Makar. They each moved up quite a bit later in the season too.

I’m not sure what you’ve been reading but for months now people have said this draft is stronger at the top for defensemen. There are a few that have #1 upside. A guy like Buium has been on the rise since the WJC. The latter half of the first round is a little weaker. For example Scott Wheeler did an exercise doing a combined redraft ranking of the ‘23 & ‘24 class. He has:

Bedard (‘23)
Celebrini
Michkov (‘23)
Fantilli (‘23)
Carlsson (‘23)
Smith (‘23)
Levshunov
Demidov
Eiserman
Parekh
D*ckinson
Buium
Silayev
Benson (23)
Perreault (23)
Catton

That looks pretty solid to me. I’d prefer to use TK to move up in the draft because that’s how they’re going to potentially get an elite player, which is what they lack. Trading him for a package will most likely result in middle of the lineup quality players at best which is what they already have a lot of. It’s playing the odds. Neither option is a guarantee but you have a better shot at an elite player selecting high once vs selecting lower twice.
- Schmojo

There is no doubt in my mind that if the Flyers truly want to rebuild, their best option is to trade up and get one of the top 3 defenseman in this draft. Sitting at 12 and waiting for a player to fall to them is not a sound strategy IMO. There will be good players available at 12, but not potential top end talent which is what this team needs. The Flyers have 8 picks in the first two rounds over the next two drafts. That along with some good NHL roster players should allow them to target players and get them.

Rizzo didn’t get a chance to suit up for the Phantoms as he was still banged up from his college days. His first time skating with the team was in practice a few days before their season ended against the Hershey Bears in the second round of the Calder Cup playoffs.

“Trust me, if I could play him, I’d play him,” Phantoms coach Ian Laperriere said. “He’s an offensive guy and everything, but he’s here just to see how we do things around here for next year, what is to become a pro.
- The Inquirer

Hopefully this puts to rest any idea that Lappy didn't want to play Rizzo in the playoffs. If he could play, Rizzo would have played.

Especially if the Flyers retain salary to potentially increase the return.
- MJL

I think this would be the best way to go. At 2.7 almost any team can be involved so you can really get the best deal.

TK has trade value. TK is one of our best players. TK is a 30-ish goal scorer.

If another team wants TK as part of a package for a 1st round pick (24 or 25) or young NHL prospect (center??) then I listen.

I am not actively shopping one of my top scorers because his agent asked for $10mil.

Flyers will resign him at $8.5 or $9 for those 8 years. He'll be a 60-70 point guy for most of those years. He's a complimentary piece for the Cup team.
- cdearth23

So you are saying he will be over paid for too long for what he brings.

Agreed.

Reliable sources are fed information by agents or front offices. They don’t break news anymore. I thought that was widely known by now. It’s the same reason Konecny’s contract demands were leaked. The front office wanted it out there. Unfortunately it was probably done to soften the news of the extension when it finally hits. That will be plenty proof that they aren’t rebuilding but making up a narrative about wanting to resign Walker is just playing dumb to prove your point. I would assume you are smarter than that.
- psuhockey

So what proof do you have that they weren't trying to resign him? The Seeler signing points to the they tried to sign him side of the story.

You are adament they didn't try to resign him? Why? What proof is there to that? I will take Elliott Freidman and his inside scoops everyday.

So what proof do you have that they weren't trying to resign him? The Seeler signing points to the they tried to sign him side of the story.

You are adament they didn't try to resign him? Why? What proof is there to that? I will take Elliott Freidman and his inside scoops everyday.
- TheFreak

You simply have to do a Google search. It was reported all over the place. Why are we even discussing this?