Yea that’s not bad. I don’t think they’d trade him unless they get a player, not a pick or prospect
- Slimtj100

Im saying Kakko for Tomassino swap.

Im saying Kakko for Tomassino swap.
- aecliptic

Yea I know lol my point is I don’t think the rangers would trade him unless they get an NHL player for him

No, no, no. Last year year and this year sh0wed that Drury doesn't have grasp on LTIR works. I don't propose scenarios. I react to facts.
- blacksheep1

I'm asking you to react to facts. I laid out the facts surrounding the Trouba ankle injury and I'm asking you to explain to me how Drury f'd it up. So far, you haven't provided any argument at all.

I'm asking you to react to facts. I laid out the facts surrounding the Trouba ankle injury and I'm asking you to explain to me how Drury f'd it up. So far, you haven't provided any argument at all.
- Tonybere

I agree. Facts are one thing. Solutions are another. I’m also having a hard time distinguishing “facts” from opinion in this thread vs legitimate hard cold facts. He “should have” is not a fact.

I'm asking you to react to facts. I laid out the facts surrounding the Trouba ankle injury and I'm asking you to explain to me how Drury f'd it up. So far, you haven't provided any argument at all.
- Tonybere

He (drury) allowed him (Trouba)to play through a bone chip and didn't keep him on LTIR till he was healthy. Last year, he didn't put Lindgren on LTIR and that blew up in his face too. They be facts.

He (drury) allowed him (Trouba)to play through a bone chip and didn't keep him on LTIR till he was healthy. Last year, he didn't put Lindgren on LTIR and that blew up in his face too. They be facts.
- blacksheep1

No, they don't be.
It was reported that Trouba came back into the line up on March 24th (I believe), because he was MEDICALLY CLEARED. It was also reported that Trouba stated flat out that he recovered from that injury and it did not hamper his play. So, is it fact, or do you just want it to be?

He (drury) allowed him (Trouba)to play through a bone chip and didn't keep him on LTIR till he was healthy. Last year, he didn't put Lindgren on LTIR and that blew up in his face too. They be facts.
- blacksheep1

Do you know facts of the medical staffs decisions? Their analysis? What they told Drury? Etc.?

No. That's not how it works.
Firstly, on March 9th there was probably about $1M of Trouba's contract left to be paid out for the season. So, we would only have that amount to add to our cap space, not $8M.
Secondly, if he didn't get hurt until the day AFTER the trade deadline passed, how do you add another player? We would've had extra room for a contract from Hartford, yes, but that's all.
And thirdly, while Jones acquitted himself well at times, he was by no means going to fill the role of shot-blocking, physical, minute-munching Dman that Trouba provides for us.
So, if Trouba was deemed healthy, what the (frank) are we talking about?
Someone's need to create a negative spin. That's all I can figure.
- Tonybere

Rangers would have got full relief of his $8m contract. Cap space does not accrue when a player is on LTIR. Thats where you're confused.
LTIR is the mechanism that allows NHL teams to remove injured players who will miss at least 10 games and 24 days from the active roster. Once a player is on LTIR, his team can then exceed the salary cap by the amount of the player's contract. Trouba can then come back in the PO and the rangers could be over the cap and not penalized. See tampa and vegas.

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR
https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

2.Trouba was hurt before the TDL not after. He left the game March 8th, but he was hurt originally a few games prior. Tried playing on it and left the florida game in the 3rd.

3. Jones would have been useful against the canes and panthers. We did not need shot blockers. We needed puck movers. That why they got pinned often on the forecheck. Could have played over Gus

4. I am not blaming anyone just pointed out they could have taken advantage of a situation they did not

Rangers would have got full relief of his $8m contract. Cap space does not accrue when a player is on LTIR. Thats where you're confused.
LTIR is the mechanism that allows NHL teams to remove injured players who will miss at least 10 games and 24 days from the active roster. Once a player is on LTIR, his team can then exceed the salary cap by the amount of the player's contract. Trouba can then come back in the PO and the rangers could be over the cap and not penalized. See tampa and vegas.

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR
https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

2.Trouba was hurt before the TDL not after. He left the game March 8th, but he was hurt originally a few games prior. Tried playing on it and left the florida game in the 3rd.

3. Jones would have been useful against the canes and panthers. We did not need shot blockers. We needed puck movers. That why they got pinned often on the forecheck. Could have played over Gus

4. I am not blaming anyone just pointed out they could have taken advantage of a situation they did not
- nyrangers2

If I could go back in time I’d slap Lavy and demand he dress 7D. That could’ve been a big help in hindsight. You have 6 guys, one pair isn’t healthy and the other two pairs are not very consistent. At least Jones could spot shifts somewhere. For one game at least he could’ve tried it. Sigh

If I could go back in time I’d slap Lavy and demand he dress 7D. That could’ve been a big help in hindsight. You have 6 guys, one pair isn’t healthy and the other two pairs are not very consistent. At least Jones could spot shifts somewhere. For one game at least he could’ve tried it. Sigh
- Slimtj100

Not trying to start an argument. Just pointing out facts on certain things backed by data and then some opinions which state they are. This is what we as fans do

Rangers would have got full relief of his $8m contract. Cap space does not accrue when a player is on LTIR. Thats where you're confused.
LTIR is the mechanism that allows NHL teams to remove injured players who will miss at least 10 games and 24 days from the active roster. Once a player is on LTIR, his team can then exceed the salary cap by the amount of the player's contract. Trouba can then come back in the PO and the rangers could be over the cap and not penalized. See tampa and vegas.

https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/LTIR
https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

2.Trouba was hurt before the TDL not after. He left the game March 8th, but he was hurt originally a few games prior. Tried playing on it and left the florida game in the 3rd.

3. Jones would have been useful against the canes and panthers. We did not need shot blockers. We needed puck movers. That why they got pinned often on the forecheck. Could have played over Gus

4. I am not blaming anyone just pointed out they could have taken advantage of a situation they did not
- nyrangers2

Ok, thank you for actually engaging me.
Perhaps, I do not understand the rules fully. But, I am 99% sure of one other part, if Trouba was medically cleared before the season was over, they cannot simply decide not to bring him back until after. We would have been in violation of the rules that way, either by being over the cap, or by intentionally circumventing with his absence. No?

Ok, thank you for actually engaging me.
Perhaps, I do not understand the rules fully. But, I am 99% sure of one other part, if Trouba was medically cleared before the season was over, they cannot simply decide not to bring him back until after. We would have been in violation of the rules that way, either by being over the cap, or by intentionally circumventing with his absence. No?
- Tonybere

Once a player is on LTIR and you go over the cap they can only come back during the PO bc the cap is not in effect then. The part you mentioned about being medically clear etc is the grey area. Marc stone was magically cleared day one of the PO bc Vegas wanted to acquire hertyl and Hannafin so they can go over the cap in season. a lot of tbis could be addressed in next cba. I just wanted Drury to say fuk it and take advantage like others have done and won a cup from it lol

I see this is a riveting debate, but y'all are acting like it would have made a difference when our big stars are named Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin. They aren't good enough when it counts and play gets extremely tight about halfway thru rd 2 of the playoffs, full stop.

I see this is a riveting debate, but y'all are acting like it would have made a difference when our big stars are named Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin. They aren't good enough when it counts and play gets extremely tight about halfway thru rd 2 of the playoffs, full stop.
- t-dawg

This is why Id like to bring Marchesaault and Stephenson to the Rangers. Give me 2 players on this roster who went through the grind and won it all. Show the next batch of kids what they are playing for.

This is why Id like to bring Marchesaault and Stephenson to the Rangers. Give me 2 players on this roster who went through the grind and won it all. Show the next batch of kids what they are playing for.
- aecliptic

Formula next year will be simple. They have to be top 10 5v5 team. 9/10 cup winners were. That’s it. No more relying only on specials and goaltending. Find the right players for it

Brukie and I tried to tell all who would listen. We were scoffed, mocked and ridiculed. But never the less. We are steadfast.
- blacksheep1

I tried to stay positive but poop happens.

I see this is a riveting debate, but y'all are acting like it would have made a difference when our big stars are named Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin. They aren't good enough when it counts and play gets extremely tight about halfway thru rd 2 of the playoffs, full stop.
- t-dawg

I think I mention that a few times but got lambasted for saying it.

Formula next year will be simple. They have to be top 10 5v5 team. 9/10 cup winners were. That’s it. No more relying only on specials and goaltending. Find the right players for it
- nyrangers2

I agree, they MUST improve 5v5 Break up Mika/CK20 already!!

I agree, they MUST improve 5v5 Break up Mika/CK20 already!!
- Brukie

Who takes over as LW? Do we swap Mold*cough*Bread and CK20?

Marchessault had 42 goals this year, 34 at EV. Guy has 192 career goals, 150 are at even strength.

How does this scenario grab ya?

Trouba for Andrew Copp and then we sign Chris Tanev.

Assuming both would waive for the other team (which I think they would)

How does this scenario grab ya?

Trouba for Andrew Copp and then we sign Chris Tanev.

Assuming both would waive for the other team (which I think they would)
- Slimtj100

Could also go after zadorov, pesce or chycrun

Could also go after zadorov, pesce or chycrun
- nyrangers2

Zadorov wants 6m, Pesce will probably get around that as well. This also doesnt solve our problem of EV scoring.

Zadorov wants 6m, Pesce will probably get around that as well. This also doesnt solve our problem of EV scoring.
- aecliptic

Rangers need 2 maybe 3 new starting defenseman on top on 5v5 scoring. Puck movers on back end help drive play at evens

Who takes over as LW? Do we swap Mold*cough*Bread and CK20?

Marchessault had 42 goals this year, 34 at EV. Guy has 192 career goals, 150 are at even strength.
- aecliptic

If the rangers got marchessault the Zib haters would be on their hands and knees begging for forgiveness

Could also go after zadorov, pesce or chycrun
- nyrangers2

I could get down with Chychrun trade, I’ve always been a fan of his. Thats a Kakko + deal I’d think.

CF lists him playing both sides so that would be extra helpful