https://x.com/SunGarrioch/status/1801023328842375587?t=eS7SITwt9lgT_hUJiX54Ew&s=19.

Looks like pick 7 is up for sale. Demidov gets past 5, Briere try to move up. Rumor was last year he offered Gauthier for #5.
- Trox88

The plan was to take Reinbacher at 5 and Michkov still at 7. I can’t see them moving up for Demidov.

I said a while back this pick is the one that realistically could be had for Konecny type deal….Ottawa needs players now.
- landros 2

I see Laughton more then Konency. They have 8 fwds- 33.4 million. Still have to re sign Pinto. G is a UFA after next season. Do they want to trade and sign a forward who will be their highest paid player? I am skeptical.

For Laughton makes more sense. My hypothetical is Laughton and #12 for #7 and another asset. Sens pick up a "culture" guy with term, move back 5 spots. Flyers get lucky pick #7 again and another asset. Maybe I am underselling Laughton's value-possible.

I see Laughton more then Konency. They have 8 fwds- 33.4 million. Still have to re sign Pinto. G is a UFA after next season. Do they want to trade and sign a forward who will be their highest paid player? I am skeptical.

For Laughton makes more sense. My hypothetical is Laughton and #12 for #7 and another asset. Sens pick up a "culture" guy with term, move back 5 spots. Flyers get lucky pick #7 again and another asset. Maybe I am underselling Laughton's value-possible.
- Trox88

Good point. I just remember when Debrincat was traded there for I beleive the 7th over all there was talk that Konecny had been offered for the same pick.

I see Laughton more then Konency. They have 8 fwds- 33.4 million. Still have to re sign Pinto. G is a UFA after next season. Do they want to trade and sign a forward who will be their highest paid player? I am skeptical.

For Laughton makes more sense. My hypothetical is Laughton and #12 for #7 and another asset. Sens pick up a "culture" guy with term, move back 5 spots. Flyers get lucky pick #7 again and another asset. Maybe I am underselling Laughton's value-possible.
- Trox88

They have Giroux coming off the books next summer though and the cap is likely to rise quite a bit again. Also, if there’s any truth to Tkachuk possibly wanting out you gotta bring in more than Laughton to convince him you’re trying to win so he stays. I agree though that they’d probably like Laughton, so what about TK and Laughton for #7 and a 3rd rd pick? Allows the Flyers to move up to get a defenseman and then still have 12 to hopefully get Catton, Eiserman, or Helenius.

They have Giroux coming off the books next summer though and the cap is likely to rise quite a bit again. Also, if there’s any truth to Tkachuk possibly wanting out you gotta bring in more than Laughton to convince him you’re trying to win so he stays. I agree though that they’d probably like Laughton, so what about TK and Laughton for #7 and a 3rd rd pick? Allows the Flyers to move up to get a defenseman and then still have 12 to hopefully get Catton, Eiserman, or Helenius.
- Schmojo

I am really bad at constructing hypothetical trades. Konency did play in Ottawa (Laughton played in Oshawa) in the CHL. I look at BUF and OTT very similarly. Both teams have signed a bunch of their young players to long term deals. Now is the time to make the playoffs each year to hopefully build to a real Cup contender within the next two years. Top 10 picks for these teams and NJ really do not benefit them like a rebuilding teams like the Flyers. And yes I believe the Flyers are a rebuilding team. It would make a lot of sense for Briere to have 2 top 12 picks as a rebuilding team.

A lot of consulting is just people coming in asking the day to day workers what’s the issue and how would they fix it and then the consultants just regurgitate that back to the executive team. The executives eat it up because they can’t imagine their own people have solutions.

It’s also the result of companies only promoting “yes men” so there’s nobody internally to point out the issues.
- Schmojo

You seem to be saying consultants are (or a lot of them are/their job is) to be corporate stooge whisperers. If that were indeed the case, they wouldn't get away with charging such high fees. That skill is easily replicable and some other firms would undercut the prices and provide the same services.

McKinsey has 3 sets of hires. Fresh off undergrad. MBAs. And Phds. The last category I know decently well. These guys form a sort of intra-company brain trust/repositiory of knowledge that clients tap into.

You seem to be saying consultants are (or a lot of them are/their job is) to be corporate stooge whisperers. If that were indeed the case, they wouldn't get away with charging such high fees. That skill is easily replicable and some other firms would undercut the prices and provide the same services.

McKinsey has 3 sets of hires. Fresh off undergrad. MBAs. And Phds. The last category I know decently well. These guys form a sort of intra-company brain trust/repositiory of knowledge that clients tap into.
- PT21

I would say it’s more the executives that are the stooges. The consultants coming in are smart to get info from the actual employees because they’re in the day to day. In some cases maybe they offer new ideas but usually the execs could get the solutions from their own workforce if they asked. The other problem is the corporate culture where offering a dissenting opinion is typically frowned upon. That creates a culture of “yes men.” Many execs think they’re better than their workers and paying some young hot shot with an MBA is going to know more about the issues.

It’s honestly like technology, I see companies all the time run by tech bros thinking the hot new tech is somehow going to make things better when it often just makes things worse.

It’s all just shiny new toy syndrome.

I am really bad at constructing hypothetical trades. Konency did play in Ottawa (Laughton played in Oshawa) in the CHL. I look at BUF and OTT very similarly. Both teams have signed a bunch of their young players to long term deals. Now is the time to make the playoffs each year to hopefully build to a real Cup contender within the next two years. Top 10 picks for these teams and NJ really do not benefit them like a rebuilding teams like the Flyers. And yes I believe the Flyers are a rebuilding team. It would make a lot of sense for Briere to have 2 top 12 picks as a rebuilding team.
- Trox88

I agree with you on OTT, BUF, and NJ. They all need more immediate help than any pick is going to give them in the next 2 years.

I found this site a while back that places a numerical value on each draft position.

https://soundofhockey.com...value-of-nhl-draft-picks/

It’s not an exact science as each team places their own value on each pick and it may fluctuate year to year based on strength and depth of the draft. But basically if the Flyers package #32 (132.71pts) and their own 2nd, #51 (58.67pts) you’d have 191.38pts which should be able to move you up to pick #24. Or #12 & 32 should be able to net them #6 and a mid 4th rd pick. When it comes to adding in players, you could try to assign a numerical value to that player.

Good point. I just remember when Debrincat was traded there for I beleive the 7th over all there was talk that Konecny had been offered for the same pick.
- landros 2

I think Laughton is the best player to move, expecially with Poehling on the roster, who I believe is a younger and better version of Laughton.

I agree with you on OTT, BUF, and NJ. They all need more immediate help than any pick is going to give them in the next 2 years.

I found this site a while back that places a numerical value on each draft position.

https://soundofhockey.com...value-of-nhl-draft-picks/

It’s not an exact science as each team places their own value on each pick and it may fluctuate year to year based on strength and depth of the draft. But basically if the Flyers package #32 (132.71pts) and their own 2nd, #51 (58.67pts) you’d have 191.38pts which should be able to move you up to pick #24. Or #12 & 32 should be able to net them #6 and a mid 4th rd pick. When it comes to adding in players, you could try to assign a numerical value to that player.
- Schmojo

Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. I just don't see how Utah benefits from drafting yet another defenseman that will take years to develop. It makes sense for the Flyers to trade up with Utah and throw in a roster player that can improve their team right now, like a Frost or Farabee, whom Torts does not believe in. Flahr said that if it were to happen, it would happen at the draft once the teams see how the board plays out. I'm just happy Briere is trying to be aggressive because this is the draft to get a top defenseman.

Good point. I just remember when Debrincat was traded there for I beleive the 7th over all there was talk that Konecny had been offered for the same pick.
- landros 2

I am not including 12 in the deal. I would propose something like this to OTT.

To OTT: Konecny(50%) retained, Sanheim

To PHI: Tyler Kleven, Joseph(they want to move his money), 7th overall,

Ottawa gets Konecny at 2.7mil this year with room to add more. Next year they lose Giroux but can work out something with Konecny long term. They seem to want to move Chychrun so Sanheim gives them a top 4 dman. Also Ottawa gets instant help to make a playoff run with to solid vets in Konecny and Sanheim.

Philly gets a defensive prospect in Kleven who I think is close to NHL ready and brings some size(6'4''), they take Joseph but he is only 27 so maybe he can be a moveable asset in the future at the TDL, and you get 7 to draft and build with. Kleven and 7 are the building blocks to add to 12 and 32 plus Michkov and the 1st next season. Plus you still have Laughton you could move for some pieces to build with.

Plus you move money out in Sanheim and don't have to extend Konecny.

That is how I would try to get rebuilding pieces.

I see Laughton more then Konency. They have 8 fwds- 33.4 million. Still have to re sign Pinto. G is a UFA after next season. Do they want to trade and sign a forward who will be their highest paid player? I am skeptical.

For Laughton makes more sense. My hypothetical is Laughton and #12 for #7 and another asset. Sens pick up a "culture" guy with term, move back 5 spots. Flyers get lucky pick #7 again and another asset. Maybe I am underselling Laughton's value-possible.
- Trox88

You are over valuing Laughton. He and 12 dont get you to 7..Maybe add Frost and you are there

Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. I just don't see how Utah benefits from drafting yet another defenseman that will take years to develop. It makes sense for the Flyers to trade up with Utah and throw in a roster player that can improve their team right now, like a Frost or Farabee, whom Torts does not believe in. Flahr said that if it were to happen, it would happen at the draft once the teams see how the board plays out. I'm just happy Briere is trying to be aggressive because this is the draft to get a top defenseman.
- jd250

so your happy he is doing his job. that is impressive.

How does it not benefit Utah if one of those franchise dman you speak of falls to them at 6? does it occur to you that maybe utah doesn't want the flyers players or not interested in tk then giving hi an 8 year extension?

I think Laughton is the best player to move, expecially with Poehling on the roster, who I believe is a younger and better version of Laughton.
- jd250

so when laughton isnt moved what will be your spin?

I am not including 12 in the deal. I would propose something like this to OTT.

To OTT: Konecny(50%) retained, Sanheim

To PHI: Tyler Kleven, Joseph(they want to move his money), 7th overall,

Ottawa gets Konecny at 2.7mil this year with room to add more. Next year they lose Giroux but can work out something with Konecny long term. They seem to want to move Chychrun so Sanheim gives them a top 4 dman. Also Ottawa gets instant help to make a playoff run with to solid vets in Konecny and Sanheim.

Philly gets a defensive prospect in Kleven who I think is close to NHL ready and brings some size(6'4''), they take Joseph but he is only 27 so maybe he can be a moveable asset in the future at the TDL, and you get 7 to draft and build with. Kleven and 7 are the building blocks to add to 12 and 32 plus Michkov and the 1st next season. Plus you still have Laughton you could move for some pieces to build with.

Plus you move money out in Sanheim and don't have to extend Konecny.

That is how I would try to get rebuilding pieces.
- J35Bacher

any deal with ottawa will include tyler boucher!!!

CC will re-sign with ottawa no doubt. They wanted to move joseph last season think that may have changed.

any deal with ottawa will include tyler boucher!!!

CC will re-sign with ottawa no doubt. They wanted to move joseph last season think that may have changed.
- hello it's me 2050

I saw somewhere, forget the source but they stated he would be again out there.

Fine, throw Tyler Boucher in there for AHL fodder.


I think the Flyers need to get aggressive and creative in deals.

Giroux with the cap going up I don't see anything big for Giroux in his next deal. They have Norris signed long term and need to get Pinto done.

4.5 for 2 years? He is 36. But with some of the guys they have, I think they need to push to win now. Especially with a new owner now.

I think Laughton is the best player to move, expecially with Poehling on the roster, who I believe is a younger and better version of Laughton.
- jd250

As of now, Poehling isn't as good as Laughton is. Not close.

Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. I just don't see how Utah benefits from drafting yet another defenseman that will take years to develop. It makes sense for the Flyers to trade up with Utah and throw in a roster player that can improve their team right now, like a Frost or Farabee, whom Torts does not believe in. Flahr said that if it were to happen, it would happen at the draft once the teams see how the board plays out. I'm just happy Briere is trying to be aggressive because this is the draft to get a top defenseman.
- jd250

What happened to all the dinners Utah was having with prospects. Leading the league in dinners with prospects. LOL. Utah is a bottom feeder who finished in the bottom of the league standings. Why would they not benefit from drafting a player and developing him? Just as the Flyers would? It took Flahr to state that draft trades happen at the draft for you to learn that?

I saw somewhere, forget the source but they stated he would be again out there.

Fine, throw Tyler Boucher in there for AHL fodder.


I think the Flyers need to get aggressive and creative in deals.

Giroux with the cap going up I don't see anything big for Giroux in his next deal. They have Norris signed long term and need to get Pinto done.

4.5 for 2 years? He is 36. But with some of the guys they have, I think they need to push to win now. Especially with a new owner now.
- J35Bacher

CC is still very productive so can see him doing 1 year deals with the sens for say 5 million per.

we shall see in a month what the direction is going forward or have a good idea for the time being.

CC is still very productive so can see him doing 1 year deals with the sens for say 5 million per.

we shall see in a month what the direction is going forward or have a good idea for the time being.
- hello it's me 2050

We can chat during the draft when they do something dumb or counter productive.

I think Laughton is the best player to move, expecially with Poehling on the roster, who I believe is a younger and better version of Laughton.
- jd250

You can't trade Laughton. Need him around so the Flyers remain the NHL's #1 ranked locker room, and for the 2025 and 2026 playoff pushes.

https://www.nhl.com/news/scott-laughton-emotional-heartbeat-for-philadelphia-flyers#:~:text=He's%20seen%20the%20value%20Laughton,than%20fair%20value%20to%20us.

"I was upfront with him," Briere said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him. I wasn't going to trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings to the locker room is something that has no price. The other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that we're not going to trade you if it’s just a fair trade. Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I did listen. I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. ... But not good enough for us to let a player like that go, that is critical to the development of our locker room and the guys around him."

You can't trade Laughton. Need him around so the Flyers remain the NHL's #1 ranked locker room, and for the 2025 and 2026 playoff pushes.

https://www.nhl.com/news/scott-laughton-emotional-heartbeat-for-philadelphia-flyers#:~:text=He's%20seen%20the%20value%20Laughton,than%20fair%20value%20to%20us.

"I was upfront with him," Briere said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him. I wasn't going to trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings to the locker room is something that has no price. The other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that we're not going to trade you if it’s just a fair trade. Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I did listen. I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. ... But not good enough for us to let a player like that go, that is critical to the development of our locker room and the guys around him."
- Feanor

God this team is run by morons

God this team is run by morons
- Tomahawk

I have always said the key to a rebuild is having a gritty veteran who's in charge of the locker room music.

Laughton has been an alternate captain the past two seasons, but his presence goes beyond any letters on the front of his jersey. He commands the dressing room stereo before and after games, is one of the louder trash talkers on the team and brings a positive outlook that is needed to lighten the mood during the grind of an 82-game season.

You can't trade Laughton. Need him around so the Flyers remain the NHL's #1 ranked locker room, and for the 2025 and 2026 playoff pushes.

https://www.nhl.com/news/scott-laughton-emotional-heartbeat-for-philadelphia-flyers#:~:text=He's%20seen%20the%20value%20Laughton,than%20fair%20value%20to%20us.

"I was upfront with him," Briere said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him. I wasn't going to trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings to the locker room is something that has no price. The other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that we're not going to trade you if it’s just a fair trade. Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I did listen. I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. ... But not good enough for us to let a player like that go, that is critical to the development of our locker room and the guys around him."
- Feanor

"You cant fall in love with players" - John Tortorella

You can't trade Laughton. Need him around so the Flyers remain the NHL's #1 ranked locker room, and for the 2025 and 2026 playoff pushes.

https://www.nhl.com/news/scott-laughton-emotional-heartbeat-for-philadelphia-flyers#:~:text=He's%20seen%20the%20value%20Laughton,than%20fair%20value%20to%20us.

"I was upfront with him," Briere said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him. I wasn't going to trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings to the locker room is something that has no price. The other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that we're not going to trade you if it’s just a fair trade. Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I did listen. I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. ... But not good enough for us to let a player like that go, that is critical to the development of our locker room and the guys around him."
- Feanor

So funny. Rarely is incompetence to this magnitude demonstrated so clearly.