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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:41 AM ET
As of now, Poehling isn't as good as Laughton is. Not close.
- MJL


Numbers wise, it was very close. If Briere could get a late 1st for Laughton, he should do it, and then hire a DJ for the locker room.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Poehling scored at 1.28 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 12:08 per game, and was outscored 42-32

Laughton scored at 1.36 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 11:52 per game, and was outscored 53-37


J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:43 AM ET
You can't trade Laughton. Need him around so the Flyers remain the NHL's #1 ranked locker room, and for the 2025 and 2026 playoff pushes.

https://www.nhl.com/news/scott-laughton-emotional-heartbeat-for-philadelphia-flyers#:~:text=He's%20seen%20the%20value%20Laughton,than%20fair%20value%20to%20us.

"I was upfront with him," Briere said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him. I wasn't going to trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings to the locker room is something that has no price. The other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that we're not going to trade you if it’s just a fair trade. Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

"I did listen. I had a lot of teams interested in him, as you can imagine. ... But not good enough for us to let a player like that go, that is critical to the development of our locker room and the guys around him."

- Feanor


He should be so great that Buffalo could use him and send us that 11 overall pick.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 13 @ 9:47 AM ET
He should be so great that Buffalo could use him and send us that 11 overall pick.
- J35Bacher


I would be going after Toronto's #23. Retain 50% and send Laughts back home to Ontario.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 13 @ 9:47 AM ET
God this team is run by morons
- Tomahawk

admits wont take fair value is funny.

WTF does scotty death stare bring to a losing team year after year?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 13 @ 9:48 AM ET
I would be going after Toronto's #23. Retain 50% and send Laughts back home to Ontario.
- Feanor

if they move on from marner a tk at 50% and leader laughton may be a good package for the leafs.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:50 AM ET
admits wont take fair value is funny.

WTF does scotty death stare bring to a losing team year after year?

- hello it's me 2050



Its insane. And it scares me now what they may resign him at when his contract expires. There is no way he fits the timeline.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 13 @ 9:51 AM ET
I have always said the key to a rebuild is having a gritty veteran who's in charge of the locker room music.
- Feanor



PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:52 AM ET
I would say it’s more the executives that are the stooges. The consultants coming in are smart to get info from the actual employees because they’re in the day to day. In some cases maybe they offer new ideas but usually the execs could get the solutions from their own workforce if they asked. The other problem is the corporate culture where offering a dissenting opinion is typically frowned upon. That creates a culture of “yes men.” Many execs think they’re better than their workers and paying some young hot shot with an MBA is going to know more about the issues.

It’s honestly like technology, I see companies all the time run by tech bros thinking the hot new tech is somehow going to make things better when it often just makes things worse.

It’s all just shiny new toy syndrome.

- Schmojo


All I am saying is that while this effect may be prevalent, it cannot be dominant. Because then the rent extracted (aka fees) charged by consultants would fall (or at least, the fees of the top tier consultants would fall), as others would rush in to replicate their easily replicable efforts.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 13 @ 9:55 AM ET
Its insane. And it scares me now what they may resign him at when his contract expires. There is no way he fits the timeline.
- MBFlyerfan


maybe give DB the off-seaon, I have no issue with DB making it clear they want an overpay. I will have an issue if SL is on the roster at TDL 2025.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 13 @ 9:57 AM ET
From Eklund’s main blog: “ I know that team CEO Dan Hilferty is legitimately a HUGE fan of Tortorella”

Just sell the team ffs.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:08 AM ET
You are over valuing Laughton. He and 12 dont get you to 7..Maybe add Frost and you are there
- hfc355


You’re all wrong! Chuck Fletcher’s trade App will have to be utilized and only then will the correct trade value be ascertained. For example, I’m sure no one realized a few years back that Risto would bag #14 and Hague. But for Fletcher’s brilliant use of his App, things would be so different.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 13 @ 10:09 AM ET
From Eklund’s main blog: “ I know that team CEO Dan Hilferty is legitimately a HUGE fan of Tortorella”
- StepfordSam


Why wouldn't he be? The guy is bringing back all the fans. Most marketable coach in team history. Probably the biggest single money maker they've had since #88.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:11 AM ET
Why wouldn't he be? The guy is bringing back all the fans. Most marketable coach in team history. Probably the biggest single money maker they've had since #88.
- Tomahawk


And he loves dogs. 🐕
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 13 @ 10:13 AM ET
maybe give DB the off-seaon, I have no issue with DB making it clear they want an overpay. I will have an issue if SL is on the roster at TDL 2025.
- wcorvette

and other GM's laugh at him. no one is overpaying for Scot phucking laughton.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
and other GM's laugh at him. no one is overpaying for Scot phucking laughton.
- hello it's me 2050




How much are intangibles worth?

At least Jeannot had a (improbable) 20-goal season under his belt.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 13 @ 10:25 AM ET


How much are intangibles worth?

At least Jeannot had a (improbable) 20-goal season under his belt.

- Tomahawk

he is a solid player that playoff team would like no doubt. that's it.

his peak value is now in the past imo. what is he adding that is so valuable they can't part with him just makes me laugh.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
Numbers wise, it was very close. If Briere could get a late 1st for Laughton, he should do it, and then hire a DJ for the locker room.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Poehling scored at 1.28 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 12:08 per game, and was outscored 42-32

Laughton scored at 1.36 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 11:52 per game, and was outscored 53-37

- Feanor


That's for one season.
Pompous
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ruskin, FL
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
The bricks, who think themselves notorious for genius, abound in this brickyard.
Any moment now and they will self-assemble into something worthwhile.

If Danny says wonderful things, as an executive, it is as an executive.
Why would he reveal anything but compliments about a player who is subject to trade?
The team, the player, and potential trade partners all have good feelings and it costs only words to firm up a negotiation stance.

hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
Numbers wise, it was very close. If Briere could get a late 1st for Laughton, he should do it, and then hire a DJ for the locker room.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Poehling scored at 1.28 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 12:08 per game, and was outscored 42-32

Laughton scored at 1.36 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 11:52 per game, and was outscored 53-37

- Feanor

Teams arent giving up a 1st rd pick for Lsughton who would be a 3rd or 4th line player
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 10:30 AM ET
You’re all wrong! Chuck Fletcher’s trade App will have to be utilized and only then will the correct trade value be ascertained. For example, I’m sure no one realized a few years back that Risto would bag #14 and Hague. But for Fletcher’s brilliant use of his App, things would be so different.
- mikeyo27


I wonder why other NHL teams haven't tried to purchase the app. Like Washington bought Capfriendly
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 13 @ 10:43 AM ET
Numbers wise, it was very close. If Briere could get a late 1st for Laughton, he should do it, and then hire a DJ for the locker room.

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Poehling scored at 1.28 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 12:08 per game, and was outscored 42-32

Laughton scored at 1.36 P/60 at 5on5 averaging 11:52 per game, and was outscored 53-37

- Feanor

He just likes to contradict me just for the sake of it. Glad you put him in his place. Can't ague with numbers, right MJL?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 13 @ 10:45 AM ET
Why wouldn't he be? The guy is bringing back all the fans. Most marketable coach in team history. Probably the biggest single money maker they've had since #88.
- Tomahawk


Hilferty took over a franchise with a bit of an identity crisis. They weren't a lottery team. They weren't a tough team. They weren't a skill team. They were a somewhat insipid team. You can't sell insipid.

Now, they have an identity. They are building the roster (all those draft picks!). They are building a culture of accountability. The malingerers and malcontents are gone. The fans are almost all back. The building is often rocking.

All done by one man. The one who doesn't know his top prospect in the continent from a "hole in the wall"

I would think Hilferty fellates Torts every morning.




Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 13 @ 10:45 AM ET
The bricks, who think themselves notorious for genius, abound in this brickyard.
Any moment now and they will self-assemble into something worthwhile.

If Danny says wonderful things, as an executive, it is as an executive.
Why would he reveal anything but compliments about a player who is subject to trade?
The team, the player, and potential trade partners all have good feelings and it costs only words to firm up a negotiation stance.

- Pompous


After all the uproar about Torts ruining Hayes’ trade value you’d think fans would appreciate DB trying to pump up Laughton’s.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 10:50 AM ET
admits wont take fair value is funny.

WTF does scotty death stare bring to a losing team year after year?

- hello it's me 2050

Danny is just another in a long line of Flyers players that haven’t gotten it done that looks out for other guys who haven’t gotten it done either. This is the heart of what’s wrong with the franchise. Blind allegiance in the face of reality.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 13 @ 10:51 AM ET
I wonder why other NHL teams haven't tried to purchase the app. Like Washington bought Capfriendly
- MJL


As Chuck would say - making those type of deals "is hard."
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