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- DarthKane

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A $9,000,000 qualifying offer is required to retain the RFA rights of Matthew Tkachuk. The qualifying offer must be a one-way contract since Tkachuk met both the games played and waivers requirements. The qualifying offer is equal to 100% of the previous contracts final season base salary because the salary was $1,000,000 or greater.

https://www.capfriendly.c...ator/matthew-tkachuk/9667

Another malcontent

Pass on Guentzel solid player but injury prone and looking to cash in on his last pay day and doesn't make sense for the rebuild at this time. If would agree to a 3 year 10 million a year ok fine but still would pass.
- Scott1977

I am not a bettingvtyprcof guy (casinos usually not even lottery tickets) but I would bet that KD has no interest in Laine and only moderate.regard8ng Gurntzal. As our draft choices mature they will require larger contracts and in a year or two KD may then be looking to add a different
free agent who has high both term and dollar amount

Won't want problem players in Laine for same reasons which have hounded him throughout his career.

Guntzal health and too high dollars he demands, is a deal killer

There is not going to be happiness except maybe only initially if Laine and Guentzall come aboard. I doubt either works out well long term

Yet 5 teams are interested in him? I would make my offer and just let it sit there and let the Canes decide if the best thing for their team is to force someone to stay there and play for them
- BetweenTheDots

Everybody is interested in him. A guy stuck on a deep team is different than a guy like Dubois or Laine. Some guys are just pure disasters and others are simply frustrated with their situation. I'd say Necas is much more the latter. Not to mention, CAR has a bit of a cap/roster crunch where CBUS has no such issue.

A $9,000,000 qualifying offer is required to retain the RFA rights of Matthew Tkachuk. The qualifying offer must be a one-way contract since Tkachuk met both the games played and waivers requirements. The qualifying offer is equal to 100% of the previous contracts final season base salary because the salary was $1,000,000 or greater.

https://www.capfriendly.c...ator/matthew-tkachuk/9667

Another malcontent
- BetweenTheDots

Again, Tkaczuk was going UFA after the season, told Treviling he wasn’t signing long term. Gaudreau just walked on him. Necas can’t go UFA until 2026. Carolina still has his rights for 2 years. There is no gun to the teams head l8ke the Tkaczuk situation.

Again, Tkaczuk was going UFA after the season, told Treviling he wasn’t signing long term. Gaudreau just walked on him. Necas can’t go UFA until 2026. Carolina still has his rights for 2 years. There is no gun to the teams head l8ke the Tkaczuk situation.
- LAHawk

Then I'm confused why did he file for arbitration if he was going to be a FA?

How does he become a UFA after 6 years in the league?

I am not a bettingvtyprcof guy (casinos usually not even lottery tickets) but I would bet that KD has no interest in Laine and only moderate.regard8ng Gurntzal. As our draft choices mature they will require larger contracts and in a year or two KD may then be looking to add a different
free agent who has high both term and dollar amount

Won't want problem players in Laine for same reasons which have hounded him throughout his career.

Guntzal health and too high dollars he demands, is a deal killer

There is not going to be happiness except maybe only initially if Laine and Guentzall come aboard. I doubt either works out well long term
- jhawk59

It's been reported Hawks are interested in Laine and necas what happens we will see. Imo Davidson most likely doing his due diligence.

It's been reported Hawks are interested in Laine and necas what happens we will see. Imo Davidson most likely doing his due diligence.
- Scott1977

I agree, he's doing his due diligence. I don't see Laine coming here unless CBJ give us something to take him.

Necas definitely interested but it has to be a do no harm to the rebuild trade.

Then I'm confused why did he file for arbitration if he was going to be a FA?

How does he become a UFA after 6 years in the league?
- BetweenTheDots

The Flames filed for arbitration, if they didn’t he would have become a free agent, just like the Hawks did with Kurashev.

Tkaczuk like all nhl players could go UFA after 7 full seasons in the league. If Tkaczuk would of played his arb year with Calgary, he would of had 7 years in the league and gone UFA.

The Flames filed for arbitration, if they didn’t he would have become a free agent, just like the Hawks did with Kurashev.

Tkaczuk like all nhl players could go UFA after 7 full seasons in the league. If Tkaczuk would of played his arb year with Calgary, he would of had 7 years in the league and gone UFA.
- LAHawk

But can't the team accept 2 years of the arbitration ruling, that's what KD did with Kurashev

Anyways they could of forced him to play another year in Calgary?

The Flames filed for arbitration, if they didn’t he would have become a free agent, just like the Hawks did with Kurashev.

Tkaczuk like all nhl players could go UFA after 7 full seasons in the league. If Tkaczuk would of played his arb year with Calgary, he would of had 7 years in the league and gone UFA.
- LAHawk

That means he was an RFA. He probably told the GM he was leaving after the next season when he became a UFA.

Anyways when does it end well for a team when they keep a player who doesn't want to play for their team anymore.

But can't the team accept 2 years of the arbitration ruling, that's what KD did with Kurashev

Anyways they could of forced him to play another year in Calgary?
- BetweenTheDots

Nope, since the team filed the arbitration, it is the players choice if he wants the extra year. Actually Kurashev filed for arbitration, the team then has the choice if they want the award to be for the extra year.

I don't get the fascination with Laine. Two years left at $8.7 million (his actual salary is $9.1M), He's six years removed from putting up big numbers and has been a malcontent at both of his NHL stops. That's the kind of character you want around Bedard, Nazar, Vlasic, KK, etc? Pass. Hard pass.
- MartiniMan

His ppg was better in Columbus than it was in Winnipeg and you could argue with less talent.

Pretty rough go of injury history.

He's 6'5 210 ish, skates very good and has a tremendous release. Only 25. Maybe would be better if he was a bit thicker but tools certainly there.

Always going to be fascination with guys that have an impressive physical tool set, skating ability and a plus technical ability like his shot.

Pretty well documented struggles with mental health which is probably the bigger impediment. If he's able to get those addressed then no reason why he shouldn't be able to have a nice career.

The oilers made it close but this ain't horseshoes. The PBP guy nearly put me to sleep. ABC can't find anyone better? I miss Doc.

I agree, he's doing his due diligence. I don't see Laine coming here unless CBJ give us something to take him.

Necas definitely interested but it has to be a do no harm to the rebuild trade.
- BetweenTheDots

I think imo if Hawks do land necas I think it helps the rebuild he brings a lot of what the Hawks don't have yet. Size speed top line talent etc.. so it be a win. Contract wise probably looking like 6 to 7 million x 8. He would what he wants top line minutes 5 on 5 and on the 1st pp. Yes Carolina holds his rights for 2 mire years but do they really want a disgruntled player as a distraction and even if Carolina tenders a qualifying offer necas does not have to accept it.

I think imo if Hawks do land necas I think it helps the rebuild he brings a lot of what the Hawks don't have yet. Size speed top line talent etc.. so it be a win. Contract wise probably looking like 6 to 7 million x 8. He would what he wants top line minutes 5 on 5 and on the 1st pp. Yes Carolina holds his rights for 2 mire years but do they really want a disgruntled player as a distraction and even if Carolina tenders a qualifying offer necas does not have to accept it.
- Scott1977

Hawks can have Necas. Carolina wants a first and an A prospect. Does KD want to pay the price?

And you have to sign him to a contract you are comfortable with.

I am not a bettingvtyprcof guy (casinos usually not even lottery tickets) but I would bet that KD has no interest in Laine and only moderate.regard8ng Gurntzal. As our draft choices mature they will require larger contracts and in a year or two KD may then be looking to add a different
free agent who has high both term and dollar amount

Won't want problem players in Laine for same reasons which have hounded him throughout his career.

Guntzal health and too high dollars he demands, is a deal killer

There is not going to be happiness except maybe only initially if Laine and Guentzall come aboard. I doubt either works out well long term
- jhawk59

Guentzel is a winner though who plays the way the hawks want to play and can help the younger guys along. Especially the more talented players.

If they continue to wait for the kids to come up theyre are going to end up more like Ottawa or Buffalo than anything else.

They don't have to go bananas acquiring experienced players but Guentzel or Marchessault or Stamkos give you that veteran who's done it swagger. Patrick Kane would as well but they obviously are going in a different direction.

Laine has a very unique toolset and obviously a high skill level when healthy. Maybe he gets things together mentally and has a productive career - maybe he doesn't. Not sure what problems he had other than wanting out of Winnipeg which doesn't seem to be an uncommon thing. Signed an extension in Cbus so it's not like he was running away from that but after not getting off the ground there maybe a change of scenery is needed.

When healthy he's also a significantly more productive player than Necas for everyone getting hard about him and the complaints about not being on a top line or enough money or whatever are there as well. Not sure why there's a difference.

Everybody is interested in him. A guy stuck on a deep team is different than a guy like Dubois or Laine. Some guys are just pure disasters and others are simply frustrated with their situation. I'd say Necas is much more the latter. Not to mention, CAR has a bit of a cap/roster crunch where CBUS has no such issue.
- Chunk

Probably not fair to compare Laine to PLD. Laine was a ppg player the first two full but injury filled seasons in Columbus so it's not like he wasn't producing.

edit: I'm not saying the hawks should sign Laine but a guy whose struggling due to concussion symptoms \ mental health problems but at least produced when healthy is a bit different from someone like PLD who has all the talent in the world and physical tools but just sucks.

I think imo if Hawks do land necas I think it helps the rebuild he brings a lot of what the Hawks don't have yet. Size speed top line talent etc.. so it be a win. Contract wise probably looking like 6 to 7 million x 8. He would what he wants top line minutes 5 on 5 and on the 1st pp. Yes Carolina holds his rights for 2 mire years but do they really want a disgruntled player as a distraction and even if Carolina tenders a qualifying offer necas does not have to accept it.
- Scott1977

6'2 190 is not really big size wise. Probably close to what Bedard weighs.

If he wanted 6-7 I think Carolina would pay him.

Guentzel is a winner though who plays the way the hawks want to play and can help the younger guys along. Especially the more talented players.

If they continue to wait for the kids to come up theyre are going to end up more like Ottawa or Buffalo than anything else.

They don't have to go bananas acquiring experienced players but Guentzel or Marchessault or Stamkos give you that veteran who's done it swagger. Patrick Kane would as well but they obviously are going in a different direction.

Laine has a very unique toolset and obviously a high skill level when healthy. Maybe he gets things together mentally and has a productive career - maybe he doesn't. Not sure what problems he had other than wanting out of Winnipeg which doesn't seem to be an uncommon thing. Signed an extension in Cbus so it's not like he was running away from that but after not getting off the ground there maybe a change of scenery is needed.

When healthy he's also a significantly more productive player than Necas for everyone getting hard about him and the complaints about not being on a top line or enough money or whatever are there as well. Not sure why there's a difference.
- fattybeef

Yes, Laine has lots of shiny attributes, but again, when has he lived up to the tools he possesses and his salary? It’s been half a decade ago or more. Hell of a gamble for $18 million dollars. He’s the Jackets’ problem right now, and I prefer he stays that way. Your opinion differs from mine, but I respect it. Cheers.

Yes, Laine has lots of shiny attributes, but again, when has he lived up to the tools he possesses and his salary? It’s been half a decade ago or more. Hell of a gamble for $18 million dollars. He’s the Jackets’ problem right now, and I prefer he stays that way. Your opinion differs from mine, but I respect it. Cheers.
- MartiniMan

Aside from the injuries, being about a ppg the first two years in Columbus was pretty good. On a Torts team and all that probably makes it more impressive.

8-9 million is about the going rate for someone who produces like that esp with the toolset.

Anyway - it's two more years and checks all the boxes everyone wants. No long term, high level of talent, probably gonna be cheap asset wise and the money doesn't matter because the hawks have basically unlimited cap space right now.

I'd rather deal with 6 years of Guentzel but taking a chance on Laine would be fine. Worst case he's on the PAP or LTIR the whole time.

Probably not fair to compare Laine to PLD. Laine was a ppg player the first two full but injury filled seasons in Columbus so it's not like he wasn't producing.

edit: I'm not saying the hawks should sign Laine but a guy whose struggling due to concussion symptoms \ mental health problems but at least produced when healthy is a bit different from someone like PLD who has all the talent in the world and physical tools but just sucks.
- fattybeef

Indeed. I probably shouldn't have said anything without looking into it further. Found this just snooping around. Seems there might have been a legitimate gripe about the Peg:

https://www.hockeyfeed.co...ne-wanted-out-of-winnipeg

Carolina has Necas rights for 2 more years. Tksczuk was going into his walk year. The Canes can go to arbitration, and either accept the arbitrator’s decision, trade him or let him walk, not the same as the Tksczuk’s situation.

Isn’t Necas a malcontent? Either I get to play the minutes I want to play, or I want to go elsewhere?
- LAHawk

Going to Arbitration would be risky I believe. They'll get a ruling they don't like, and could lessen his trade value. Keeping him may force them to get rid of someone they don't really want to.

Plus arbitration is later right, so FA will have played out. There's a reason most of these things happen before the draft I think.

It's been reported Hawks are interested in Laine and necas what happens we will see. Imo Davidson most likely doing his due diligence.
- Scott1977

Who reported the Hawks were interested in Laine? I thought it was someone here?