I am also one of the few who still believe in Krebs becoming that 45-50 point do it all 3C.
- Swedish_Jesus

Not sure how you could still have hope after seeing the last 6 weeks of the season. He had his big shot and completely filled his pants.

I think McGroarty for Rosen makes a lot of sense. His talent level is inferior but it puts a higher energy player into the Sabres system for a guy who doesn't necessarily match the goals of this current team-build.

As long as he accepts this current season in Rochester as a possibility, I'd pull that trigger.

Not sure how you could still have hope after seeing the last 6 weeks of the season. He had his big shot and completely filled his pants.
- Slump Buster

I kept faith in Thompson and Mittelstadt for a very long time because they showed inherent ability.

Krebs doesn't.

Part of the reason he might not be worth much is because he's arb eligible, in line for that kind of money, and close to UFA. Same kind of logic that killed Sam's value and guy's like Buchnevich went for a 2nd.

What do you think he's worth? Gotta be more than Clifton's 3.3m, right?
- Lunaion

I'm conflicted a bit.

In the argument for a lower contract value, I'd cite his negative impact on Dahlin, Power, Bryam and Clifton when paired with them. While he played Top 4, I don't believe he was justified being there...he just sucked less than other options. He is a passenger versus play driver. Looks lost defensively, especially in front of his own net.

In the argument for, he has 19:00ATOI, decent production, is young and played on a lottery team that was a collective mess defensively...so how much was the negative QoTm impacting him.

While EV has him at 3 x $4.0m, my gut says closer to $3.25 - $3.5m

How much of that was due to he and Byram being like oil and water when paired together?
- Slump Buster

He brought all four D partners down in CF., wasn't just Byram, but worse with him.

I suspect it'll be lower than 4 if he gets some decent term.

4 years, 12 million seems pretty fair.
- TheSabresTaco

Not in Buffalo imo

Not sure how you could still have hope after seeing the last 6 weeks of the season. He had his big shot and completely filled his pants.
- Slump Buster

Krebs 4 goals in 80 games

20 in 215 career games

Ahl tweener imo

Krebs 4 goals in 80 games

20 in 215 career games

Ahl tweener imo
- Boss34

Its kind of ironic that his best work (which isn't saying much) was providing some juice to Okposo and Girgs earlier on in his tenure. I get why another team would take a shot at him, but we can't be in the business of giving him another shot at 3C or 4C if we are serious about playoffs.

Its kind of ironic that his best work (which isn't saying much) was providing some juice to Okposo and Girgs earlier on in his tenure. I get why another team would take a shot at him, but we can't be in the business of giving him another shot at 3C or 4C if we are serious about playoffs.
- Slump Buster

I mean, Krebs stats suck . He sucks , if they could get something for him they should.

Tough time , all time low value on him

Still has nhl 1st round petigree

Believe couturier did too.

Edit, he did to CAA. Pat Brisson, the trade whisperer. That was back in late April.

Wish he wasn't so expensive. Would be a nice piece in the middle 6.
- TheSabresTaco

How much would the Flyers need to retain to make Couturier a viable option?

He's turning 32 this December and has 6 seasons left on his deal.

They're already retaining on Hayes for this season and next.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/sean-couturier

I think McGroarty for Rosen makes a lot of sense. His talent level is inferior but it puts a higher energy player into the Sabres system for a guy who doesn't necessarily match the goals of this current team-build.

As long as he accepts this current season in Rochester as a possibility, I'd pull that trigger.
- TheSabresTaco

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/5268944
Hopefully the fans are way Off, because this isn't the 1st AGM with a 1st++ for McGroarty. Kid just had a really good Sophomore year at School

How much would the Flyers need to retain to make Couturier a viable option?

He's turning 32 this December and has 6 seasons left on his deal.

They're already retaining on Hayes for this season and next.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/sean-couturier
- kingcong39

viable to trade or just specifically to Buffalo? I'd say 50%. That's a tough contract. Problem is you're probably getting at most 4 years out of him. I'd prefer to not be saddled with another Couture.

I mean, Krebs stats suck . He sucks , if they could get something for him they should.

Tough time , all time low value on him

Still has nhl 1st round petigree
- Boss34

I wonder if Ruff gives him a few decent wingers

tough break getting okposo and girgens on his wing

first round passing skills playing with an over the hill and a never was

I wonder if Ruff gives him a few decent wingers

tough break getting okposo and girgens on his wing

first round passing skills playing with an over the hill and a never was
- homiedclown

I haven’t seen anything that makes me feel like Krebs is about to break thru

His linemates didn’t help, nor did he help them

Blackhole 4th line offensively

viable to trade or just specifically to Buffalo? I'd say 50%. That's a tough contract. Problem is you're probably getting at most 4 years out of him. I'd prefer to not be saddled with another Couture.
- TheSabresTaco

I don't think the Flyers would do that, as it would mean they'd only have one more retention available for the next 2 seasons, and only one for 4 years after.

What San Jose did in that regard is wild.

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/5268944
Hopefully the fans are way Off, because this isn't the 1st AGM with a 1st++ for McGroarty. Kid just had a really good Sophomore year at School
- Buff36

....with a trade demand. negative value.

Drouin (with NHL minutes played already) was traded for Sergachyev
Adam Fox was sent to the Rangers for 2 2nd round picks - believe this one was forced by Fox.
Brock Faber and a 1st was sent to Minny for Kevin Fiala.
Jimmy Vesey was traded for a 3rd, twice.
Cutter Gauthier was traded for Jamie Drysdale and a 2nd

I think your closest comparable here is the cutter trade. A forced trade for a dimished prospect/young player.

This to me shows Rosen, or if they want an NHL player, Jokiharju and a mid pick is probably appropriate.

Chicago could use the Islander's 18OA too I bet.

I don't think the Flyers would do that, as it would mean they'd only have one more retention available for the next 2 seasons, and only one for 4 years after.

What San Jose did in that regard is wild.
- kingcong39

I'm sure they wouldn't want to. Guess we'll find out if his agent pries him out of there. Either retaining or taking back another bad, active contract.

I think McGroarty for Rosen makes a lot of sense. His talent level is inferior but it puts a higher energy player into the Sabres system for a guy who doesn't necessarily match the goals of this current team-build.

As long as he accepts this current season in Rochester as a possibility, I'd pull that trigger.
- TheSabresTaco

Which of the two do you think more GM's want in their system?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/rutger-mcgroarty

I'm sure they wouldn't want to. Guess we'll find out if his agent pries him out of there. Either retaining or taking back another bad, active contract.
- TheSabresTaco

Skinner for Couturier, no retention either way...?

I'm not lending credence to this d1ckwagon, but McGroarty for a 1st (the one I just mentioned) and Ehlers for Murphy and Reichel is right in line with both of their historical comparable values.

NHL Trade Rumors
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🚨 Rumor Alert! 🏒 Jets and Blackhawks are in talks for a blockbuster trade! Ehlers & McGroarty for Murphy, Reichel, and a 2024 1st-round pick. 🔥

Skinner for Couturier, no retention either way...?
- kingcong39

i knew someone would say it, unequivocally no.

the value of the player and the depth of the player doesn't validate the migraine in 3 years.

Which of the two do you think more GM's want in their system?

https://www.capfriendly.c.../players/rutger-mcgroarty
- kingcong39

I think there's a lot of teams who would want a Rosen. And I think if you're being forced to trade an asset, you're going to want back another young, high end asset.

So how many teams are swapping out a relatively equally graded, developed prospect for him? I bet not many.

I think there's a lot of teams who would want a Rosen. And I think if you're being forced to trade an asset, you're going to want back another young, high end asset.

So how many teams are swapping out a relatively equally graded, developed prospect for him? I bet not many.
- TheSabresTaco

I think you've been consistently higher on Rosen then the league is in general.

Is Rosen even a 30 point 3rd line player in the NHL?

I'm not lending credence to this d1ckwagon, but McGroarty for a 1st (the one I just mentioned) and Ehlers for Murphy and Reichel is right in line with both of their historical comparable values.

NHL Trade Rumors
@nhltraderumours
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1h
🚨 Rumor Alert! 🏒 Jets and Blackhawks are in talks for a blockbuster trade! Ehlers & McGroarty for Murphy, Reichel, and a 2024 1st-round pick. 🔥
- TheSabresTaco

So go get both players Kevyn, Sabres can beat that supposed offer.