where do you come up with this? not one person has said he doesn't have value.

you seem to think some team will overpay for tk the superstar. they will not. the trade template for players like him is pretty much set.

the offers they get will be fair and solid. therefore, imo they will not move him (unless tk forces their hand). just like they said they need an overpayment to move scoty phucking Laughton.
- hello it's me 2050

Where I come up with this is when i see people posting on here that we should trade the 12th and tk for the 11 pick. Sure sounds like undervaluing to me. I’d take what I can get for Laughton and anyone else on the roster should be fair game for the right price.

Absolutely I do that if I’m the Flyers. I doubt Ottawa does it unless they know TK will sign, otherwise they make the same DeBrincat mistake all over again. If Demidov falls or any of these 1D potential draftees fall, Flyers need to make that deal if it’s available. But they aren’t rebuilding so they will sign TK to a ridiculous contract
- mikeyo27

You don’t see that as bit of an overpay? It’s not a strong draft and to send tk and the 32 and a 3rd is too much imo. In a weak draft might as well take a chance with two picks.

Where I come up with this is when i see people posting on here that we should trade the 12th and tk for the 11 pick. Sure sounds like undervaluing to me. I’d take what I can get for Laughton and anyone else on the roster should be fair game for the right price.
- Hextall271

Not one person has said that I recall.

Happy to see the Flyers re-sign defenseman Adam Ginning to a contract extension! I think he can be a solid bottom pairing defenseman in the NHL.
- jd250

He and Attard looked good at the 3rd pairing in limited action last year.

WHO CARES!

The Flyers will not be a contenders for about 3-4 years probably. What good does it do to tie long term money into a player like Konency? I am not saying he is a scrub but he isn't a superstar. He is a nice Robin to a team with a Batman. He might even be an Alfred to Batman and Robin on teams.

The Flyers need roster flexibility right now and do not need to tie it up on Konecny. He should be used to gain more rebuilding pieces along with Laughton so the Flyers can build a base to build around.
- J35Bacher

The Flyers will have plenty of cap space and roster flexibiltiy after this year. You have to weigh what does TK bring to your team now and in the future versus what can you get for him in a trade. Given TK is due an extension and therefore there is not cost certainty and risk, I don't think the Flyers will get fair market value for him. I think it makes more sense to extend TK, unless his price range is stupid (i.e greater than $10M per season).

He and Attard looked good at the 3rd pairing in limited action last year.
- mikeyo27

I'm not sold on Attard yet, not sure his offense will map in the NHL, and he is not the strongest defender. Ginning to me has the size and grittiness that I think you need in a 3rd pairing NHL defenseman.

You don’t see that as bit of an overpay? It’s not a strong draft and to send tk and the 32 and a 3rd is too much imo. In a weak draft might as well take a chance with two picks.
- Hextall271

I really don’t. Again that’s so long as demidov or one of theses 1D potential guys are there. Perhaps the 3rd is not necessary but on balance what TKs worth and what he’ll demand in a contract just doesn’t do it for me to keep him. Hes my favorite player on the roster but I don’t think he fits out time line. But that’s the fun thing about silly season, we all get to hope and wish and debate and argue. I won’t argue with you that it might be an overpay. Your point is logical and fair. I just see it a little differently.

Not one person has said that I recall.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes. I don't recall the poster but it was absolutely posted on here and discussed.

I really don’t. Again that’s so long as demidov or one of theses 1D potential guys are there. Perhaps the 3rd is not necessary but on balance what TKs worth and what he’ll demand in a contract just doesn’t do it for me to keep him. Hes my favorite player on the roster but I don’t think he fits out time line. But that’s the fun thing about silly season, we all get to hope and wish and debate and argue. I won’t argue with you that it might be an overpay. Your point is logical and fair. I just see it a little differently.
- mikeyo27

demidov is telling teams don't draft me. I am with MM

The Flyers will have plenty of cap space and roster flexibiltiy after this year. You have to weigh what does TK bring to your team now and in the future versus what can you get for him in a trade. Given TK is due an extension and therefore there is not cost certainty and risk, I don't think the Flyers will get fair market value for him. I think it makes more sense to extend TK, unless his price range is stupid (i.e greater than $10M per season).
- jd250

now it is more than 10m. you went from 8 to 10 rather quickly.

just build around tk laughton sanheim ex selke.

The Flyers will have plenty of cap space and roster flexibiltiy after this year. You have to weigh what does TK bring to your team now and in the future versus what can you get for him in a trade. Given TK is due an extension and therefore there is not cost certainty and risk, I don't think the Flyers will get fair market value for him. I think it makes more sense to extend TK, unless his price range is stupid (i.e greater than $10M per season).
- jd250

But if your rebuilding, like you say, then there is no need to be tied to a long term big money deal for a vet.

And what does Konecny bring that isn't something you can find else where? Not saying he is not a good player but he doesn't have some outstanding skill that isn't replaceable. He is a solid hockey player who i think kind of looks inflated because of how poor the team has been.

Again not a bad player at all. But I don't think he is a cornerstone player for the Flyers and where they are at.

I really don’t. Again that’s so long as demidov or one of theses 1D potential guys are there. Perhaps the 3rd is not necessary but on balance what TKs worth and what he’ll demand in a contract just doesn’t do it for me to keep him. Hes my favorite player on the roster but I don’t think he fits out time line. But that’s the fun thing about silly season, we all get to hope and wish and debate and argue. I won’t argue with you that it might be an overpay. Your point is logical and fair. I just see it a little differently.
- mikeyo27

Yes indeed that is the fun of speculation this time of year. Your points are valid also and I certainly won’t attack you for having an opinion that is different from mine. There’s every chance DB may see someone he wants and package both picks and a player to move up. I’m really looking forward to seeing what db can do.

I'm not sold on Attard yet, not sure his offense will map in the NHL, and he is not the strongest defender. Ginning to me has the size and grittiness that I think you need in a 3rd pairing NHL defenseman.
- jd250

They already have Seeler and Risto signed for 4/3 more years to fulfill that role.

now it is more than 10m. you went from 8 to 10 rather quickly.

just build around tk laughton sanheim ex selke.
- hello it's me 2050

There are options for TK, especially with the cap going up to $88M this year and most likely over $90M the season after next. If TK would take a shorter term, the Flyers would have to pay more AAV, upwards to $10M per. If TK wants 7 or 8 years, then I think the Flyers can pay him less, around $9M per. If TK wants more than $10M per, I would unfortunately trade him, but again reluctantly because I know the Flyers are not going to get fair value back.

They already have Seeler and Risto signed for 4/3 more years to fulfill that role.
- Feanor

Seeler is good, but he does not have the size as Ginning. I don't see Risto part of this team much longer.

But if your rebuilding, like you say, then there is no need to be tied to a long term big money deal for a vet.

And what does Konecny bring that isn't something you can find else where? Not saying he is not a good player but he doesn't have some outstanding skill that isn't replaceable. He is a solid hockey player who i think kind of looks inflated because of how poor the team has been.

Again not a bad player at all. But I don't think he is a cornerstone player for the Flyers and where they are at.
- J35Bacher

See, that's interesting because I think the opposite. I think if TK had better talent around him he would be a 30G, 50+ assist forward in this league. TK brings a lot to a team. He has speed, skill, grit, leadership, can play in all situations; even strength, PP and PK. I don't think there are many players that bring what TK brings.

Pass. 12 to 7 isn't all that.
- Pelle31Forever

No it’s not…. But you have to continue to add those types of picks…. You have to consider things that look like poop for today but make sense 3 years from now. I just through out a hypothetical…. About what I think may be a starting point.
These are the type of trades “rebuilding”, “non contending “ “long term focused” teams make.
Someone said it elsewhere… is TK at 9 million for 8 years… at 28 when the deal starts , the type of player to BUILD around…. Because that’s what this situation is… you don’t give that contract to very good players…. You give that contract to cornerstone pieces… is that what TK is in 3-4 years from now? I’m asking you JD250…lol

There are options for TK, especially with the cap going up to $88M this year and most likely over $90M the season after next. If TK would take a shorter term, the Flyers would have to pay more AAV, upwards to $10M per. If TK wants 7 or 8 years, then I think the Flyers can pay him less, around $9M per. If TK wants more than $10M per, I would unfortunately trade him, but again reluctantly because I know the Flyers are not going to get fair value back.
- jd250

stop with the fair value BS. they will absolutely get a fair deal unless danny boy is just a total dope.

you keep saying fair deal so when he isn't move u will be all over the flyers jock [parroting what they say. no one offered us value.

why have you switched off your would never pay more than 8 to now 9? if he wants more than 10 is a clear sign he wants out as no fn team will give him 10 plus

See, that's interesting because I think the opposite. I think if TK had better talent around him he would be a 30G, 50+ assist forward in this league. TK brings a lot to a team. He has speed, skill, grit, leadership, can play in all situations; even strength, PP and PK. I don't think there are many players that bring what TK brings.
- jd250

you crack me up. if not many players bring what he brings then why dont you want to pay him as such?

He may agree to talk with Ottawa before a trade… obviously.
- landros 2

Obviously lol. Apparently you have to spell everything out on this site. TK also played for the 67s so has history there. Might not be as far fetched as folks think.

See, that's interesting because I think the opposite. I think if TK had better talent around him he would be a 30G, 50+ assist forward in this league. TK brings a lot to a team. He has speed, skill, grit, leadership, can play in all situations; even strength, PP and PK. I don't think there are many players that bring what TK brings.
- jd250

I think you overrate Konecny. He is a good hockey player. But I don't think he really does anyone thing especially well. I woulnd't say he is a speedster. Leadership i think gets overrated in this blog. Skill, yeah he has skills but not really elite in any area. Grit, something people love to lean on.

Again I am not saying he is a bad player. I just don't think he is a cornerstone player for the Flyers. Let him go have success with another team. I will not bemoan the Flyers if the move him for a deal that helps the future of the Flyers if Konecny goes to win a cup with someone else.

I think his deal will not age well and will be a hinderance in the future.

See, that's interesting because I think the opposite. I think if TK had better talent around him he would be a 30G, 50+ assist forward in this league. TK brings a lot to a team. He has speed, skill, grit, leadership, can play in all situations; even strength, PP and PK. I don't think there are many players that bring what TK brings.
- jd250

TK is a top 60 forward in the league. You don’t build around him. His price tag is too high to keep him around for a rebuild or a retool.

I really don’t. Again that’s so long as demidov or one of theses 1D potential guys are there. Perhaps the 3rd is not necessary but on balance what TKs worth and what he’ll demand in a contract just doesn’t do it for me to keep him. Hes my favorite player on the roster but I don’t think he fits out time line. But that’s the fun thing about silly season, we all get to hope and wish and debate and argue. I won’t argue with you that it might be an overpay. Your point is logical and fair. I just see it a little differently.
- mikeyo27

I kindly agree to disagree.

TK is a top 60 forward in the league. You don’t build around him. His price tag is too high to keep him around for a rebuild or a retool.
- Minnyhock

We don’t have a goalie. We don’t have a number one center. We don’t have a number one Dman. Sign a winger for $9M until he’s 36. Fits the timeline perfectly 😂

Yes indeed that is the fun of speculation this time of year. Your points are valid also and I certainly won’t attack you for having an opinion that is different from mine. There’s every chance DB may see someone he wants and package both picks and a player to move up. I’m really looking forward to seeing what db can do.
- Hextall271

I suspect we’ll both be disappointed when the dust settles. Haha. The life of Flyers fans!