We don’t have a goalie. We don’t have a number one center. We don’t have a number one Dman. Sign a winger for $9M until he’s 36. Fits the timeline perfectly 😂
- ClaudeFather

And in my view, I would rather have those funds available for when I am ready to use them.

I just don't think Konecny is a guy you sign to 8 years, 8.5-9, or at his asking of 10million a year.

We don’t have a goalie. We don’t have a number one center. We don’t have a number one Dman. Sign a winger for $9M until he’s 36. Fits the timeline perfectly 😂
- ClaudeFather

Not to worry. All ancillary. The Flyers can thread the needle with savvy drafting and wheeling and dealing in the FA market for those pieces.

The crack analytics team built by Fletcher has put the odds of success on this strategy at 2-3%, which is a 1000% increase in success rate from when Fletcher was hired.

If the Flyers were to retain 50% of Konecny, making him a cap hit of 2.7 about, that opens up a lot of avenues. A team like Vegas who is always going for it. Could I get Brendan Brisson.

Dallas making one last run with Benn next season. Can you get Mavrik Bourque and picks?

Toronto. Would they take a cheap year of Konecy, then if they move Marner they can extend Konecny for cheaper then whay they would pay marner? Can i get Easton Cowan?


I want the Flyers to be creative. It is painful to watch other teams look to all avenues and the future and be able to set a plan in action.

And in my view, I would rather have those funds available for when I am ready to use them.

I just don't think Konecny is a guy you sign to 8 years, 8.5-9, or at his asking of 10million a year.
- J35Bacher

First you draft your core players then you add when your ready to make a playoff push.

Good example, Ryan Oneil for Thompson, both teams win but first we need to have a prospect pool so we can make those moves 4 to 5 years down the road. Also around the time most of our long term contracts end. The 3 to 4 year talk is just a mistake if you want to build a cup contender.

The Flyers will have plenty of cap space and roster flexibiltiy after this year. You have to weigh what does TK bring to your team now and in the future versus what can you get for him in a trade. Given TK is due an extension and therefore there is not cost certainty and risk, I don't think the Flyers will get fair market value for him. I think it makes more sense to extend TK, unless his price range is stupid (i.e greater than $10M per season).
- jd250

If the Flyers don't attempt to trade Konecny, they they're not rebuilding. It's that simple. You've gone from advocating they sign Konecny to a 6 year deal for 7-7.5M to now having a threshold of greater than 10M. You're a walking contradiction.

If the Flyers don't attempt to trade Konecny, they they're not rebuilding. It's that simple. You've gone from advocating they sign Konecny to a 6 year deal for 7-7.5M to now having a threshold of greater than 10M. You're a walking contradiction.
- MJL

Add in your most likely giving a NMC as well because he will want a say where he goes if they ever do approach him about a trade which will limit you in the future then.

Seeler is good, but he does not have the size as Ginning. I don't see Risto part of this team much longer.
- jd250

Why would the Flyers get rid of their best defenseman?

No it’s not…. But you have to continue to add those types of picks…. You have to consider things that look like poop for today but make sense 3 years from now. I just through out a hypothetical…. About what I think may be a starting point.
These are the type of trades “rebuilding”, “non contending “ “long term focused” teams make.
Someone said it elsewhere… is TK at 9 million for 8 years… at 28 when the deal starts , the type of player to BUILD around…. Because that’s what this situation is… you don’t give that contract to very good players…. You give that contract to cornerstone pieces… is that what TK is in 3-4 years from now? I’m asking you JD250…lol
- landros 2

The talent gap isn't huge between 5 picks. After Celebrini it's a lot of boom or bust.

Heck the fact their isn't a a clear cut choice at #2 gves me pause to give up that to move up 5 spots.

The talent gap isn't huge between 5 picks. After Celebrini it's a lot of boom or bust.

Heck the fact their isn't a a clear cut choice at #2 gves me pause to give up that to move up 5 spots.
- Pelle31Forever

4 to 5 dmen have top pairing talent, this is the draft you move up to get your future 1st pairing dman. Next year we go after Centers when that draft has more top end talent available.

If the Flyers don't attempt to trade Konecny, they they're not rebuilding.
- MJL

I 100% agree that resigning TK is stupid and not something a team "rebuilding" would do....but the Flyers HAVE made "Rebuild Type Moves" over the last 18 months.
They have missed out on some other moves (moving Laughton is the prime forehead smash). I think it's unfair to say definitely THEY ARE NOT REBUILDING. The way they are going about it is annoying and they certainly aren't doing what I WOULD DO. But:

Traded Prov for future assets
Traded Hayes for future assets
according to sources TRIED to trade Sanheim's contract for future assets
Traded Walker for future assets
Accepting current cap to maximize returns

Those are rebuilding moves. I will be very critical of the front office if ONE of these players aren't moved by next season (TK/Laughton/Risto) for futures...but they are doing stuff that is in line with what a rebuild is. Getting rid of current players and weaponizing cap for future assets.

4 to 5 dmen have top pairing talent, this is the draft you move up to get your future 1st pairing dman. Next year we go after Centers when that draft has more top end talent available.
- Flyerloon

I would love the Flyers to come away with another 1st rounder. If in the teens I would like to see a swing on Connolly or maybe with a later 1st rounder Teddy Stiga.

If they can get another 1st it would be such a help in getting building block pieces.

If Montreal offers #5 and #26 for Konecny and #12, do you make that trade?

If Montreal offers #5 and #26 for Konecny and #12, do you make that trade?
- Quetzalcoatl

I think I do.

If Montreal offers #5 and #26 for Konecny and #12, do you make that trade?
- Quetzalcoatl

Yes, without hesitation.

They’d get one of the top defensemen at #5 and they could either make those other selections use or package the later 2 firsts to move back up into the teens and maybe get a guy like Hage. They could also use one or both to get a young prospect or move one for a 2025 1st.

Not to mention they don’t get locked into a bad long term deal with TK.

Why would the Flyers get rid of their best defenseman?
- MJL

There's only 2 ways the Flyers get rid of Ristolainen...

1) They buy him out
2) Some team hires Chuck Fletcher

4 to 5 dmen have top pairing talent, this is the draft you move up to get your future 1st pairing dman. Next year we go after Centers when that draft has more top end talent available.
- Flyerloon

Are any of them the 1a on the top pair? If so they probably won't fall to 7.

If Montreal offers #5 and #26 for Konecny and #12, do you make that trade?
- Quetzalcoatl

throw in a 3rd

Rather have Gauthier
- hfc355

gauthier has character issues rather not have him

Are any of them the 1a on the top pair? If so they probably won't fall to 7.
- Pelle31Forever

There’s 5 that many see having 1D potential. Celebrini is going 1. MTL is heavily rumored to be taking a forward at 5. That means even if every other team takes a D then 1 of them will be there at 7.

According to Anthony Di Marco Utah is open to trading the 6th pick.

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They probably want more immediate impact players than a pick they’ll need to wait for. That new owner wants to win right away.

I 100% agree that resigning TK is stupid and not something a team "rebuilding" would do....but the Flyers HAVE made "Rebuild Type Moves" over the last 18 months.
They have missed out on some other moves (moving Laughton is the prime forehead smash). I think it's unfair to say definitely THEY ARE NOT REBUILDING. The way they are going about it is annoying and they certainly aren't doing what I WOULD DO. But:

Traded Prov for future assets
Traded Hayes for future assets
according to sources TRIED to trade Sanheim's contract for future assets
Traded Walker for future assets
Accepting current cap to maximize returns

Those are rebuilding moves. I will be very critical of the front office if ONE of these players aren't moved by next season (TK/Laughton/Risto) for futures...but they are doing stuff that is in line with what a rebuild is. Getting rid of current players and weaponizing cap for future assets.
- Wingdestroyer

Provorov wasn't traded because of rebuilding. It was a mutual parting of ways. Hayes was traded because the coach wanted him out. They wanted to re-sign Walker but he wanted too much money for their tastes. They were going to trade Sanheim for Krug!

If Montreal offers #5 and #26 for Konecny and #12, do you make that trade?
- Quetzalcoatl

If they are in love with a kid @ #5 then I think you do. I still think 2-12 could go a ton of ways, but it’s not what we think….it’s what the Flyers think.

According to Anthony Di Marco Utah is open to trading the 6th pick.

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They probably want more immediate impact players than a pick they’ll need to wait for. That new owner wants to win right away.
- Schmojo

Ok then….TK and #32. For # 6…

Provorov wasn't traded because of rebuilding. It was a mutual parting of ways. Hayes was traded because the coach wanted him out. They wanted to re-sign Walker but he wanted too much money for their tastes. They were going to trade Sanheim for Krug!
- MJL

i don't understand why you continuously counter with the argument of "those trades weren't because of rebuilding" ...your idea of what they were thinking at the time doesn't change the fact they were traded, or the fact those things were, in fact, rebuilding moves.

its' really the silliest thing! you've done it multiple times.

also, i'm pretty sure the Sanheim thing involved both Hayes and assets (a long with a couple years less on term for Krug.

Ok then….TK and #32. For # 6…
- landros 2

Utah has no defensman signed. I wonder if you could offer something huge like Konecny and Sanheim and try to get a package of #6 and Connor Geekie. With either 6 overall or Geekie maybe you get a center you can build with.

Of Course Sanheim would have to waive his NTC but Utah might be more attractive then AZ and they could be competing faster then the Flyers.